Why Wrestling Thread? Why?! Why?!

[Van Petrol]

It *sounds* like Triple H is the one who "turned" Rollins, but it doesn't make sense from a story angle. Rollins has always seemed like the biggest cheerleader of the three. If anything, having Ambrose switch sides would have been far more believable.

Definately. I presume it will have to do with Haitch making him an offer he couldn't refuse. I want to see him embrace it though, rather than follow it reluctantly now they've gone down this road. There's a lot of potential there, especially when you factor in that Reigns is being billed as the future star of the company, Ambrose is being praised all over, while Seth seemingly is almost like the forgotten member of the group, but in actuality may be the silent top workhorse of the three.

It's rather fitting too that the one to ultimately destroy the Shield is the architect of the group.

Be it short term or long term, if all of this is to "break Evolution from within", then that's gonna be one major ****ing buzzkill.

Agreed. I sure hope this isn't the case.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I do, however, anticipate the eventual 1v1 matches Seth will have with Roman and the Mox, especially the latter. I might just check out those FCW matches of theirs again.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I have faith in this storyline based on the parties involved. It's been clear since The Shield debuted that they were handling these guys with the utmost care - I don't see that changing now just because we haven't received an explanation yet.

Remember, these are the first of HHH's guys to jump from NXT and he's involved in the story too. There's a lot invested here and I'm betting they won't screw it up.

 

[Van Petrol]

I do, however, anticipate the eventual 1v1 matches Seth will have with Roman and the Mox, especially the latter. I might just check out those FCW matches of theirs again.

Oh, absolutely. The triple threat the three had there too was also awesome!

 

[TX85]

Agreed 100% H.U.S.T.L.E.!

 

[Van Petrol]

 

[Van Petrol]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I have faith in this storyline based on the parties involved. It's been clear since The Shield debuted that they were handling these guys with the utmost care - I don't see that changing now just because we haven't received an explanation yet.

Remember, these are the first of HHH's guys to jump from NXT and he's involved in the story too. There's a lot invested here and I'm betting they won't screw it up.

Yeah, there is a lot to be optimistic about, and I do hope they do this right, as everything else so far surrounding this three has been top notch.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Is it possible for Vince McMahon to be kicked out of the WWE by his fellow shareholders?

If so, I could see that happening if the WWE's overall condition doesn't improve in the next 5-10 years. Because, eventually, the other shareholders will get wise to what the fans (casuals and smarks alike) are saying, and why it is that WWE is more than often not performing (monetarily) to standards (which they want to surpass).

 

[Pink Ranger]

Is it possible for Vince McMahon to be kicked out of the WWE by his fellow shareholders?

If so, I could see that happening if the WWE's overall condition doesn't improve in the next 5-10 years. Because, eventually, the other shareholders will get wise to what the fans (casuals and smarks alike) are saying, and why it is that WWE is more than often not performing (monetarily) to standards (which they want to surpass).

That's a question we may see unfolding right now, as a private equity investor buying into WWE stock seems to be trying to engineer that very thing.

Vince is likely not going to be forced out, as he owns a majority of shares in his own company. But since so much of his net worth is apparently tied to WWE stock (he lost his billionaire status recently) it might be in his best financial interests to voluntarily retire, which would likely cause WWE shares, and consequently his own net worth, to shoot upwards. Management change usually causes a quick, though often temporary, increase in a struggling company's share price.

However, there are a few reasons why Vince and Linda wouldn't voluntarily retire:

1) Vince's insane ego and his desire to die while wearing a headset in the backroom of an arena

2) The WWE is his company, and his sentimental attachment to the business he built

3) Money might not matter to him. Despite the criticisms levelled against him, he appears to live fairly simply for a man of his financial means, and may not really need to increase his net worth to be happy.

 

[TX85]

I'd be on board with anything that makes Vince leave/step down or retire and have Trips in full charge

 

[TX85]

The newest Wrestlemania Rewind episode of HBK vs Taker at WM 25 is awesome,Love seeing Taker being interviewed out of character

 

[Wheels]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I have faith in this storyline based on the parties involved. It's been clear since The Shield debuted that they were handling these guys with the utmost care - I don't see that changing now just because we haven't received an explanation yet.

Remember, these are the first of HHH's guys to jump from NXT and he's involved in the story too. There's a lot invested here and I'm betting they won't screw it up.

I'm not saying they will mess it up, but they can, especially if they don't make sense of this. That's my thing. Rollins shouldn't have been on Smackdown at all if they're waiting for RAW Perhaps there is something larger at play but they must address it eventually. Oherwise you might as well have had a ninja kidnap Seth.

 

[runawayboulder]

Is it possible for Vince McMahon to be kicked out of the WWE by his fellow shareholders?

If so, I could see that happening if the WWE's overall condition doesn't improve in the next 5-10 years. Because, eventually, the other shareholders will get wise to what the fans (casuals and smarks alike) are saying, and why it is that WWE is more than often not performing (monetarily) to standards (which they want to surpass).

5-10? Try more like a year or two.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I hadn't spoken on the turn yet...I figured I'd sleep on it...then I decided to wait until the Smackdown spoilers to see if they expounded on it. I'm not liking what I am hearing so far.

Your fear was the same as mine. No apparent plan...no apparent direction. This just came off as random...it feels like something done on a whim. Rollins turns the night after their biggest victory?? Ugh!!!

I'm trying to be objective, and not look at this as the Shield mark that I admit I am. They're my favorite faction since the Flair/Tully/Arn/Windham Horsemen. I'm happy that Rollins will be getting a push, as he's my favorite of the three. Still, I felt the group had some more mileage left in it, and I maintain that Reigns isn't ready to be on his own.

Triple H doing his sit down with Cole today and saying Rollins will explain everything on SD makes no sense after reading the spoilers. The fact Rollins seems reluctant, has somehow made a deal with Triple H that even Triple H doesn't know the reasoning of, and is still walking around looking like he did in The Shield feels like they don't know what route to go.

It's like Cesaro, in the space of 2 months he's went from being ready to be a breakout face, to becoming a Heyman guy, to a feud with Swagger, then onto RVD, then onto Sheamus, now back to RVD with some Barrett thrown in. It doesn't seem like they have a set direction for him at all, ironically Rusev seems to have a more defined path for his push.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

It's like Cesaro, in the space of 2 months he's went from being ready to be a breakout face, to becoming a Heyman guy, to a feud with Swagger, then onto RVD, then onto Sheamus, now back to RVD with some Barrett thrown in. It doesn't seem like they have a set direction for him at all, ironically Rusev seems to have a more defined path for his push.

Everything they're doing with Cesaro reeks to me that they're just biding their time with him until a big match with Lesnar. From the way that Heyman harps on & on about Lesnar breaking the streak to Cesaro almost never using the swing now, I think there's a calculated reason why they scaled him back.

I definitely see a case where Cesaro gets fed up with Paul talking up someone else & also isn't seeing the success Heyman promised. So in order to get back at Heyman, we see him attack Brock that leads to a big matchup between the two.

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's like Cesaro, in the space of 2 months he's went from being ready to be a breakout face, to becoming a Heyman guy, to a feud with Swagger, then onto RVD, then onto Sheamus, now back to RVD with some Barrett thrown in. It doesn't seem like they have a set direction for him at all, ironically Rusev seems to have a more defined path for his push.

I kind of like where Cesaro is at right now. He's not main event-ready yet, but he's getting a chance to kick a lot of ass in the midcard, gradually making him the dominant force in the midcard. From there, he can gradually be introduced into the main event scene via a multi-wrestler mechanism like MITB or Elimination Chamber, and from there the sky's the limit.

 

[The Sage]

- The angle with Seth Rollins turning on Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose at Monday’s RAW was not written into the script that was used several days before the pay-per-view. It could have been that WWE officials wanted to keep it off the books or it could be that the angle was something they just decided on at Sunday’s Payback pay-per-view.

The script that was used at Monday’s RAW had Kane vs. John Cena in the main event position and the turn with Rollins wasn’t even hinted at.

Source: PWInsider

http://dailywrestlingnews.com/backstage-news-seth-rollins-turning-shield-cena-vs-kane/

 

[OnTheAir]

J.R.(@JRsBBQ) retweeted some tweets from Rip Rogers (@Hustler2754) about wrestling as a heel:

Heels - job description:

1. Call match
2. Carry the face no matter how rotten they are
3. Know how much to give and take according to the finish
4. Hurt yourself rather than hurt your opponent
5. Only call things the face can comfortably do
6. Don't be a "cool" heel - if you want cheers, be a face
7. Don't out-wrestle the face unless it leads to the face eventually out-wrestling you
8. Don't kick out of big moves, make it to the ropes instead
8. Limit your covers as the more there are, the less they mean
9. Always throw the first strike and more of them than the face
10. Limit your big moves - if you don't beat someone with them, the big moves turn into little moves. Make every move mean something - make your match believable!

Thoughts?

 

[sweetre15]

Source: PWInsider Elite


There are people within WWE who believe that while it appears Erick Rowan and Luke Harper are due for a run with the WWE Tag Team Titles, they won't win the belts after all.

The talk is that WWE will be bringing up NXT Tag Team Champions Konnor and Viktor, The Ascension, soon. There's a feeling that The Usos will keep the titles until The Ascension arrives.


Read more at http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...-the-wwe-tag-team-titles/#3wPFpE4msmEaxTqe.99

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Rowan and Harper don't even have to win the belts, but keep them prominent in the tag division or lack thereof.

 

[The Sage]

- Ric Flair finally went to Pittsburgh on June 2nd for his WWE medical testing. If he passes the tests, Flair is expected to return to WWE TV as a regular TV character, not a wrestler.

- Things are moving slowly when it comes to the return of WWE Tough Enough. Filming was supposed to begin the first week in July at the Performance Center in Orlando but word is that could change. The key talents that WWE officials wanted on the show are not locked in and timing is becoming an issue.

- The May 31st WWE live event in Springfield, Illinois drew 4,300 fans. The June 2nd RAW in Indianapolis drew 9,000 fans.

- The final RAW before this year’s SummerSlam pay-per-view will take place on August 11th from Portland, Oregon. There has been some talk of holding that RAW in Las Vegas.

- Former California independent wrestler Brian Tannen (Brian Reid) has been given the new ring name Tony Briggs for WWE NXT.

- WWE has reportedly quietly put money into Diamond Dallas Page’s efforts to help Jake Roberts and Scott Hall by paying for people who are experienced with rehabilitation to help out if any problems come up with the two. It’s a daily battle for both Hall of Famers.

Jake worked indie shows in Oregon this past week and was invited to a strip club by some of the wrestlers after the show. Jake turned down the invite and said if he went, he knows what would happen next.

Jake has also reportedly been in contact with Bray Wyatt, giving him advice at times on his character.

- We’ve noted that Brock Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Title was not penciled in for SummerSlam but there was one idea going where Lesnar would win the title at SummerSlam, only to see Money In the Bank winner Cesaro cash in and take the title from Lesnar.

Obviously everything is up in the air with Bryan’s status for Money In the Bank on June 29th but word this week is that Bryan vs. Lesnar is indeed one of the long-term plans right now for a SummerSlam main event.

The Lesnar vs. Cesaro feud, which would be part of Cesaro’s babyface turn, would take place after the Bryan match at SummerSlam.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

http://dailywrestlingnews.com/problems-wwe-tough-enough-backstage-update-flair/
http://dailywrestlingnews.com/wwe-talent-gets-new-name-pre-summerslam-raw-news-attendance/
http://dailywrestlingnews.com/wwe-legend-working-bray-wyatt-wwe-helping-ddp/
http://dailywrestlingnews.com/backstage-updates-lesnar-vs-bryan-lesnar-vs-cesaro-summerslam/

 

[Donnie Darko]

J.R.(@JRsBBQ) retweeted some tweets from Rip Rogers (@Hustler2754) about wrestling as a heel:

Heels - job description:

1. Call match
2. Carry the face no matter how rotten they are
3. Know how much to give and take according to the finish
4. Hurt yourself rather than hurt your opponent
5. Only call things the face can comfortably do
6. Don't be a "cool" heel - if you want cheers, be a face
7. Don't out-wrestle the face unless it leads to the face eventually out-wrestling you
8. Don't kick out of big moves, make it to the ropes instead
8. Limit your covers as the more there are, the less they mean
9. Always throw the first strike and more of them than the face
10. Limit your big moves - if you don't beat someone with them, the big moves turn into little moves. Make every move mean something - make your match believable!

Thoughts?

I agree with all of it.

 

[runawayboulder]

I like the Lesnar/Bryan match then a Cesaro/Lesnar match perhaps at the Rumble. I'm not sure if you want a face holding the belt until Mania unless he's going to go up against another major face such as Reigns. I can't see them doing another triple threat again.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Everything they're doing with Cesaro reeks to me that they're just biding their time with him until a big match with Lesnar. From the way that Heyman harps on & on about Lesnar breaking the streak to Cesaro almost never using the swing now, I think there's a calculated reason why they scaled him back.

I definitely see a case where Cesaro gets fed up with Paul talking up someone else & also isn't seeing the success Heyman promised. So in order to get back at Heyman, we see him attack Brock that leads to a big matchup between the two.

The thing for me is that if you are prepping a guy to face Brock he needs to be more direct in what he's doing, having a central focus as opposed to random matches most of the time, he needs to stand out from the pack of guys in the mid to upper card spots..

I kind of like where Cesaro is at right now. He's not main event-ready yet, but he's getting a chance to kick a lot of ass in the midcard, gradually making him the dominant force in the midcard. From there, he can gradually be introduced into the main event scene via a multi-wrestler mechanism like MITB or Elimination Chamber, and from there the sky's the limit.

I think he should be demolishing the mid card at this point though, if the plan is to have him positioned to face Brock, it's hard to sell a guy who struggles with RVD and Barrett as a threat to Lesnar.

J.R.(@JRsBBQ) retweeted some tweets from Rip Rogers (@Hustler2754) about wrestling as a heel:

Heels - job description:

1. Call match
2. Carry the face no matter how rotten they are
3. Know how much to give and take according to the finish
4. Hurt yourself rather than hurt your opponent
5. Only call things the face can comfortably do
6. Don't be a "cool" heel - if you want cheers, be a face
7. Don't out-wrestle the face unless it leads to the face eventually out-wrestling you
8. Don't kick out of big moves, make it to the ropes instead
8. Limit your covers as the more there are, the less they mean
9. Always throw the first strike and more of them than the face
10. Limit your big moves - if you don't beat someone with them, the big moves turn into little moves. Make every move mean something - make your match believable!

Thoughts?

The bolded ones I agree with. Number 7 I think depends on who you are and who the face is you're wrestling, for instance a heel Bret Hart should still outwrestle a face Goldberg. Both number 8's and number 10 should apply to faces and heels. Number 9 again depends on the story of the feud, if the heel has done some terrible things the face should start swinging the minute the ref calls for the bell to start the match.