TheVileOne
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How do you know for a fact he doesn't know for a fact Kyle? Considering your politics, you might just have confirmation bias.
How do you know for a fact he doesn't know for a fact Kyle? Considering your politics, you might just have confirmation bias.
KGB trained or influenced operatives wouldn't reveal and say what their motivations are.
I don't know for a fact. But seeing as what those who worked for Assange, the FBI, CIA, and etc. have to say about him and the later for this case. It's one voice against many, I'm more apt to believe the many.
As said, to me Assange isn't a villain just fallible. He's human basically.
Hypothetically, if what you say is true. Why is that wrong?Putin worked for the KGB. You are aware of that right? That Putin and those close to him have KGB know-how. They're smart. They're brilliant. They know how to create a believable middleman. To spy agencies that's simple.
As said - even Assange's employees have spoken out about his fallibilities - one of them that he wants attention and craves it, he's a good guy for leaking otherwise unknown information but the guy does have flaws. I see him as human and I see this as a very human mistake and he shouldn't be hanged for this. If Putin used a middle man, Assange would have no way of knowing. That doesn't make him guilty, just makes him fallible (which every human is) - especially this, we'd all fall for.
Hypothetically, if what you say is true. Why is that wrong?
Read what I'm saying, I'm not saying he's a villain or evil. I'm saying he's human. I have more sympathy for him than anger over doing this. In this scenario, the guy was used. I used to see him as infallible, now I view him as human.
OK, you believe he was used by Russia. So even if Russia was involved, why is that wrong?
Why is what wrong?
All I'm saying is him stating as though he knows for a fact "the person who gave me this information was not motivated by Putin" is wrong. There is no way in knowing the motivations of a middle man unless you did it yourself or you can read minds. That's the only thing that is wrong, since if it was a middle man and he can't read minds it's impossible to know for sure the motivations of a second party. What their stated motivations are doesn't need to be the truth, just the truth they want you to believe.
I'd go as far to say, unsure of relations, if Assange is running into trouble with Putin it might even have been an intended double edged sword smear campaign.
Let me put it this easy way, can you know for a fact what the motivations of a middle man are if you can't read people's minds?
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Nope. Which means you can't know either. You are the one making the accusations.
Then it's just as easily possible his motivations might not even be for Russia and Putin at all. Maybe one of his sources was the Clinton staffer who got murdered.Exactly. So if Assange didn't do it, which if that was the case he'd know as a fact what the motives are since there wouldn't be a middle man. It's impossible for him to know for a fact what the motivations of the middle man. If he did it, then it's a fact. If not, mere speculation.
Then it's just as easily possible his motivations might not even be for Russia and Putin at all.
That is possible. That's not what's wrong. It's coming forward and saying "nope, who gave me this was not motivated by Putin." Unless he did it himself, there is no way he knows that 100% to be the case. No one would without mind reading powers. Could he have looked the person up? Yes, but we're also talking about the KGB - there are many ways to covering one's tracks including creating not real people. If you don't know something for sure, don't state like you know for sure. The report didn't even blame him nor are the officials the only thing being said is the basic "It's impossible to know as a fact the motives of a middle man" which unless you can read minds (or did it) - it is impossible.
As said you do know PUTIN and those close to him are ex KGB right? Putin, at the very least, has KGB training and know how. It may be closed down, that doesn't erase his training.
What is your point man? Like beyond Assange is flawed and doesn't know blah blah, what is your general problem here?
Maybe he knows more than you do. He is the founder of Wikileaks.
Honestly, I don't really care if his sources had KGB training, which stopped over 25 years ago, or not.
So you don't care that the middle man could have played him like a puppet for Putin? And now he's claiming for a fact that it wasn't Putin (but how could he know for a fact if he didn't do it himself?) It is Assange vs those trained by the KGB. And Putin? The guy's smart, you don't get to where he is by not being brilliant.
As said, in this area it was much better to just stay out of it or just say he doesn't believe Russia was behind it.
Nope. You can believe what you want. You can trust who you want. You are entitled to that.