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Will we see Hillary Clinton's exit strategy by April 2016?

Haha Taarna I'm fairly certain you are just an advanced bot built by Trump to come and troll the politics section of the Hype. You can't seem to grasp simple functions like the quote option and your grammar and syntax are atrocious. No way in hell are you a 40-year-old adult that is college educated. My 9-year-old daughter writes better than what you post.

There isn't even any point debating you because your arguments are ridiculous and no matter what anyone says you pull facts out of your ass with no sources and then close your hands over your ears and go "NANANANANA I'M NOT LISTENING!". It's like conversing with a 5-year-old
 
The true idiocy of this post hit me kind of late so I had to come back to it

In your mind every woman must vote for her. Sorry kid, that is not the case.

Trouble is she's losing to Bernie Sanders in Iowa and New Hampshire and trending downward by the week. In addition Hillary has taken money from nation who treat women like 2nd class citizens.

What the hell are you talking about? I never claimed all women are going to vote for her solely based on her genitalia. Independent and undecided voters will surely factor in having our first women president directly after our first Black president and some will see it as a sign for how far we as a nation have come. That factor can't be denied



DJ_Kidd NH and Iowa have more women than men. Your women will vote for her theory is a weak one.

And where did you pull this wonderful "fact" from? I seriously doubt there is a statistically larger proportionate demographic of women in those 2 states compared to men. Half of this countries population is women the reason being that's kind of how things work when everyone makes babies. Can't have one without the other



What makes you think she'll help the poor? Under Obama poverty is way up. The poor needs jobs. Not a record low labor rate. I do hate Hillary. People do not trust her

So I mention the minority vote and all that comes to your mind is poor people? Racist much? No wonder you have a love affair with Trump

Obama has a higher negative rating than positive one, and likely wants Biden over Hillary. A bump from Obama you say? Bawhahahaha. Say hi to Neo in the Matrix for me, as you are way out there and don't even realize how badly anyone can own you in a debate. All that I ask is you keep it clean and do not play the race card or get personal.

Obama is currently at a 45% approval rating which is typical for a second-term president in this time of their career. If you take into account the amount of gridlock in DC a number that high is astounding. You also seem to forget that Obama wrote the book on getting the youth vote out and those are numbers not reflected in current polling due to how they gather that information. The youth vote is not something to take lightly, ask Romney what happens when you do
 
Justice Department Rules Hilary Clinton Followed the Law in Deleting Emails

The Obama administration told a federal court Wednesday that former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was within her legal rights to use of her own email account, to take messages with her when she left office and to be the one deciding which of those messages are government records that should be returned.


In the most complete legal defense of Mrs. Clinton, Justice Department lawyers insisted they not only have no obligation, but no power, to go back and demand the former top diplomat turn over any documents she hasn’t already given — and neither, they said, can the court order that.

The defense came as part of a legal filing telling a judge why the administration shouldn’t be required to order Mrs. Clinton and her top aides to preserve all of their emails.

“There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision — she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server,” the administration lawyers argued. “Under policies issued by both the National Archives and Records Administration (‘NARA’) and the State Department, individual officers and employees are permitted and expected to exercise judgment to determine what constitutes a federal record.”

The legal brief said that means employees are required to “review each message, identify its value and either delete it or move it to a record-keeping system.”

It’s unclear whether Mrs. Clinton’s review process, which she said involved her lawyers making determinations, qualifies.

Judicial Watch, which had at least 16 active open-records lawsuits against the State Department seeking emails from Mrs. Clinton or her top aides, said the administration is ignoring its own guidelines in trying to clear Mrs. Clinton.

“Indeed, the State Department’s own rules specify that personal records of a departing presidential appointee may not be removed from the government until the State Department ‘records officer in cooperation with the S/ES or appropriate administrative office’ approves of the removal, a process which ‘generally requires a hands-on examination of the materials,’ ” Judicial Watch said in a reply brief.
 
Don't be bringing things like facts in here! They have no place in Taarna's world :o
 
I reiterate what I have said before, Hillary is a terrible candidate. Not because of Benghazi, and not because of the email thing.

She is a distant, power hungry entitled insider who has had everything handed to her on a silver platter. She was given a seat in the senate in a Blue State, because she was the first lady of a popular Democratic president, and then she was grudgingly given the office of secretary of state as a consolation prize for losing an election to a nobody.

Barring Trump being nominated, or running a third party candidacy, Hillary may cost the Democrats this election if she is nominated.
 
We're already seeing senior party officials looking for an exit strategy. Sure, Debbie Wasserman Shultz is doing everything she can to make sure Hillary gets the nomination (I'm not sure if she is acting out of pure stubbornness or is genuinely one of the few people left who believes that Hillary is an unbeatable candidate). But look at the glimpses we are getting from behind the scenes. Countless senior Democrats have anonymously told the press that Shultz is hurting the party by not allowing more primary debates, that she is fixing the election, one has even publicly called her a dictator. The DNC is on the verge of revolting against Shultz almost exclusively because of her stubborn and obvious favoritism and adherence to Clinton. That should indicate, above all else, how much faith the Democratic Party has in Hillary Clinton at this point.

Beyond that, the rumblings of candidates like Gore and Kerry entering the race show how nervous some senior Democrats are. Gore, Kerry, probably Biden, these guys have no interest in entering the race. So why are there these persistent rumors? Because senior Democrats are trying to recruit them. Party elders are realizing just how vulnerable Clinton is in a general election. She isn't the sure thing, a myth that her handlers have spent 6 years perpetuating. To the contrary, she is the Democratic John McCain.

The problem is, no one else has laid down the foundation to challenge her. Sanders is not viable at all in a general election. If he did some how steal the nomination, he would lose 44-46 states. O'Malley and Webb are nonfactors because the media blacklisted them and as a result, few donors will touch them, making it impossible to seriously challenge Clinton. Then you have all of the other potential Democrats, great candidates like Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Brian Schweitzer, Cory Booker, etc sitting out. They are doing so because they realized that the media and senior party officials anointing Clinton, as early as 2013, made it damn near impossible to successfully challenge her. As such, they never built the national profile, the campaign infrastructure, or fundraising base that they would need to enter the election and pull off an upset (O'Malley tried, look what happened). As a result, even if they wanted to challenge Clinton, they can't at this point, because it is too late to build the movement they would need.

So now senior party officials are realizing Hillary is very beatable in the general election (arguably an underdog) and they are desperately looking for someone who can challenge her. Since no one built the infrastructure to challenge her, they are basically throwing a Hail Mary by trying to tempt Al Gore, John Kerry, or Joe Biden, guys who already have the infrastructure, fundraising base, and national profile established, to enter the race. But none of those guys really seem to want it. Biden might do it out of obligation, but I don't think that the public takes him seriously enough and frankly, I don't think he really has the energy or really wants it at this point (and that will matter a lot if he hits the campaign trail).

But yeah, Democrats are DESPERATELY looking for an exit strategy. Problem is, none exists. So they are stuck with Clinton as the 2016 nominee. She will probably lose the general election (provided Republicans do not seriously nominate Donald Trump). And the Democratic Party has no one to blame but themselves. With the candidates that the Republicans have and Obama's reputation rebounding, this should've been an easy year for Democrats. But their stubborn adherence to the myth of Hillary Clinton will be their undoing.
 
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If the Democrats still controlled the Senate by a comfy margin, I would vote for a Republican period. Since the GOP holds the Congress and the Senate, I'm not all in for anyone at this point. I just really want Hillary to lose. If you could anti-vote, I would anti-vote for her at this point.
 
We're already seeing senior party officials looking for an exit strategy. Sure, Debbie Wasserman Shultz is doing everything she can to make sure Hillary gets the nomination (I'm not sure if she is acting out of pure stubbornness or is genuinely one of the few people left who believes that Hillary is an unbeatable candidate). But look at the glimpses we are getting from behind the scenes. Countless senior Democrats have anonymously told the press that Shultz is hurting the party by not allowing more primary debates, that she is fixing the election, one has even publicly called her a dictator. The DNC is on the verge of revolting against Shultz almost exclusively because of her stubborn and obvious favoritism and adherence to Clinton. That should indicate, above all else, how much faith the Democratic Party has in Hillary Clinton at this point.

Beyond that, the rumblings of candidates like Gore and Kerry entering the race show how nervous some senior Democrats are. Gore, Kerry, probably Biden, these guys have no interest in entering the race. So why are there these persistent rumors? Because senior Democrats are trying to recruit them. Party elders are realizing just how vulnerable Clinton is in a general election. She isn't the sure thing, a myth that her handlers have spent 6 years perpetuating. To the contrary, she is the Democratic John McCain.

The problem is, no one else has laid down the foundation to challenge her. Sanders is not viable at all in a general election. If he did some how steal the nomination, he would lose 44-46 states. O'Malley and Webb are nonfactors because the media blacklisted them and as a result, few donors will touch them, making it impossible to seriously challenge Clinton. Then you have all of the other potential Democrats, great candidates like Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Brian Schweitzer, Cory Booker, etc sitting out. They are doing so because they realized that the media and senior party officials anointing Clinton, as early as 2013, made it damn near impossible to successfully challenge her. As such, they never built the national profile, the campaign infrastructure, or fundraising base that they would need to enter the election and pull off an upset (O'Malley tried, look what happened). As a result, even if they wanted to challenge Clinton, they can't at this point, because it is too late to build the movement they would need.

So now senior party officials are realizing Hillary is very beatable in the general election (arguably an underdog) and they are desperately looking for someone who can challenge her. Since no one built the infrastructure to challenge her, they are basically throwing a Hail Mary by trying to tempt Al Gore, John Kerry, or Joe Biden, guys who already have the infrastructure, fundraising base, and national profile established, to enter the race. But none of those guys really seem to want it. Biden might do it out of obligation, but I don't think that the public takes him seriously enough and frankly, I don't think he really has the energy or really wants it at this point (and that will matter a lot if he hits the campaign trail).

But yeah, Democrats are DESPERATELY looking for an exit strategy. Problem is, none exists. So they are stuck with Clinton as the 2016 nominee. She will probably lose the general election (provided Republicans do not seriously nominate Donald Trump). And the Democratic Party has no one to blame but themselves. With the candidates that the Republicans have and Obama's reputation rebounding, this should've been an easy year for Democrats. But their stubborn adherence to the myth of Hillary Clinton will be their undoing.

It's absurd how biased the American media is.

I mean, I only know about O'Malley because of the internet. I saw an MSNBC interview with Bernie Sanders the other day and all they did was ask him about Hillary Clinton. Like four questions in a row, each time they would bring it back to her.
 
I don't ever pay attention to anything done on TV. Not to say all sources on the internet are much better at times but I know several places that are pretty bias-less. Also, I love debating things on the Hype as well, especially when folks from the other side of the aisle can provide links to back up their arguments. The fact so many people shut themselves off from anything just because the "other side" brought it up is kind of disturbing and very sad
 
Its not necessarily a pro-Clinton bias. It is more about trying to recreate 2008 with another historic candidate. Historic candidates = ratings. Ratings = money. It isn't media bias that is the problem. It is the fact that our media is profit driven.
 
Well, capitalism has def gone out of control here in the USA. That's one of our biggest problems
 
We're already seeing senior party officials looking for an exit strategy. Sure, Debbie Wasserman Shultz is doing everything she can to make sure Hillary gets the nomination (I'm not sure if she is acting out of pure stubbornness or is genuinely one of the few people left who believes that Hillary is an unbeatable candidate). But look at the glimpses we are getting from behind the scenes. Countless senior Democrats have anonymously told the press that Shultz is hurting the party by not allowing more primary debates, that she is fixing the election, one has even publicly called her a dictator. The DNC is on the verge of revolting against Shultz almost exclusively because of her stubborn and obvious favoritism and adherence to Clinton. That should indicate, above all else, how much faith the Democratic Party has in Hillary Clinton at this point.

Beyond that, the rumblings of candidates like Gore and Kerry entering the race show how nervous some senior Democrats are. Gore, Kerry, probably Biden, these guys have no interest in entering the race. So why are there these persistent rumors? Because senior Democrats are trying to recruit them. Party elders are realizing just how vulnerable Clinton is in a general election. She isn't the sure thing, a myth that her handlers have spent 6 years perpetuating. To the contrary, she is the Democratic John McCain.

The problem is, no one else has laid down the foundation to challenge her. Sanders is not viable at all in a general election. If he did some how steal the nomination, he would lose 44-46 states. O'Malley and Webb are nonfactors because the media blacklisted them and as a result, few donors will touch them, making it impossible to seriously challenge Clinton. Then you have all of the other potential Democrats, great candidates like Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Brian Schweitzer, Cory Booker, etc sitting out. They are doing so because they realized that the media and senior party officials anointing Clinton, as early as 2013, made it damn near impossible to successfully challenge her. As such, they never built the national profile, the campaign infrastructure, or fundraising base that they would need to enter the election and pull off an upset (O'Malley tried, look what happened). As a result, even if they wanted to challenge Clinton, they can't at this point, because it is too late to build the movement they would need.

So now senior party officials are realizing Hillary is very beatable in the general election (arguably an underdog) and they are desperately looking for someone who can challenge her. Since no one built the infrastructure to challenge her, they are basically throwing a Hail Mary by trying to tempt Al Gore, John Kerry, or Joe Biden, guys who already have the infrastructure, fundraising base, and national profile established, to enter the race. But none of those guys really seem to want it. Biden might do it out of obligation, but I don't think that the public takes him seriously enough and frankly, I don't think he really has the energy or really wants it at this point (and that will matter a lot if he hits the campaign trail).

But yeah, Democrats are DESPERATELY looking for an exit strategy. Problem is, none exists. So they are stuck with Clinton as the 2016 nominee. She will probably lose the general election (provided Republicans do not seriously nominate Donald Trump). And the Democratic Party has no one to blame but themselves. With the candidates that the Republicans have and Obama's reputation rebounding, this should've been an easy year for Democrats. But their stubborn adherence to the myth of Hillary Clinton will be their undoing.


Preach!!! 100% AGREEMENT!! I've been saying the same thing to friends and co workers and no one will listen. They have drank the Hillary kool-aid. I really don't want my party to go down this road with Hillary Clinton. I really fear she is going to lose. She needs the coalition that Obama had to win period!

Gore, Kerry, and Biden??? Lord these people can't win, well maybe Biden and I only rank him a tad higher than Hillary but I fell he's have a better chance. There is no excitement on the Democrats side. The media doesn't even cover O'Mally and the other guy Webb. Sanders has no chance of winning a general. The Republicans would love it.

Guys like Warren, Booker, Brown and a few others are much more viable. I know it's politics and I know they've been told to back down, cause this is Hillary's time. Warren as an example is a much much better candidate. She's actually the one I have excitement for. I guess if Biden runs, he can put her on the ticket to drum up enthusiasm cause the Dems are going to need it.

I really hope someone on the Dems side stand up because Hillary is extremely vulnerable. The sad thing is she don't even think she is and she has horrible handlers and advisors. What the hell is wrong with the Democrats. Why are these same liberal advisors still working. Most of them have lost elections over the last 16 years. Yes Obama won cause he went a different route to the oval office but as soon as he got elected the DNC's sorry advisors some how came aboard. Obama could've been a great president and made it impossible for the republicans to win in 2016 had he went his own route but he cow tied to the DNC's way of doing things. They are so stuck in there ways and is wrong most of the time of what the public wants, hell most don't care about the public.
 
Preach!!! 100% AGREEMENT!! I've been saying the same thing to friends and co workers and no one will listen. They have drank the Hillary kool-aid. I really don't want my party to go down this road with Hillary Clinton. I really fear she is going to lose. She needs the coalition that Obama had to win period!

Gore, Kerry, and Biden??? Lord these people can't win, well maybe Biden and I only rank him a tad higher than Hillary but I fell he's have a better chance. There is no excitement on the Democrats side. The media doesn't even cover O'Mally and the other guy Webb. Sanders has no chance of winning a general. The Republicans would love it.

Guys like Warren, Booker, Brown and a few others are much more viable. I know it's politics and I know they've been told to back down, cause this is Hillary's time. Warren as an example is a much much better candidate. She's actually the one I have excitement for. I guess if Biden runs, he can put her on the ticket to drum up enthusiasm cause the Dems are going to need it.

I really hope someone on the Dems side stand up because Hillary is extremely vulnerable. The sad thing is she don't even think she is and she has horrible handlers and advisors. What the hell is wrong with the Democrats. Why are these same liberal advisors still working. Most of them have lost elections over the last 16 years. Yes Obama won cause he went a different route to the oval office but as soon as he got elected the DNC's sorry advisors some how came aboard. Obama could've been a great president and made it impossible for the republicans to win in 2016 had he went his own route but he cow tied to the DNC's way of doing things. They are so stuck in there ways and is wrong most of the time of what the public wants, hell most don't care about the public.


But like I said, none of them have the infrastructure or fundraising base to launch a campaign at this point. Potential candidates like Warren (who at least has national recognition on her side), Gillibrand, Brown, Booker, etc, did not begin to lay down the necessary groundwork to launch a national campaign. Trying to get a campaign off the ground in September, with the first primary four months away, would be impossible. Sadly, these people drank the kool-aid also. They bought into the myth that Hillary was unbeatable and instead decided to wait their turn. Now that Hillary is being exposed as a VERY beatable candidate, it is too late for them to jump in. That is why the party is looking at folks like Kerry, Gore, and Biden. They already have the pieces in place. But as you said, none of them are exciting candidates.
 
I don't ever pay attention to anything done on TV. Not to say all sources on the internet are much better at times but I know several places that are pretty bias-less. Also, I love debating things on the Hype as well, especially when folks from the other side of the aisle can provide links to back up their arguments. The fact so many people shut themselves off from anything just because the "other side" brought it up is kind of disturbing and very sad

Okay then, do not use TV as any source here or reference anything from Television.
 
I didn't expect her to implode this soon. She is an overachiever when snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
I didn't expect her to implode this soon. She is an overachiever when snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

It's not her. Its the cronies giving her advice that's causing her to tank. What blows my mind is that her people can't figure out why people are upset over the E-mail scandal. All she had to do was hand over her server and say "Here you go". People are pissed about her unnecessary shady behavior. I'm willing to bet that someone in her camp told her to delete her private emails just incase she said something that could be used against her politically. A lot of Democrats don't want to deal with or put up with that type of behavior even if there was nothing illegal done.
 
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To be fair, imo this whole email business is nothing more than Benghazi 2.0. A "scandal" the Right can latch onto and make into a mountain of BS. Hillary is not the only one in Washington using their private email for work related stuff, and its unlikely she was using a private email for nefarious reasons. She is an older lady and is probably as informed about computer tech and computer security as my 60+ year old relatives.

Rather than raking her over the coals for something anyone her age could easily do Id rather they focus on educating the older less tech savy politicians why private emails arent safe or secure.

The public either praise or dont give two ****s when hackers leak government documents that potentially endanger lives but when Hillary only uses a private email they lose their ****...if thats not pure partisan politics IDK what is.
 
To be fair, imo this whole email business is nothing more than Benghazi 2.0. A "scandal" the Right can latch onto and make into a mountain of BS. Hillary is not the only one in Washington using their private email for work related stuff, and its unlikely she was using a private email for nefarious reasons. She is an older lady and is probably as informed about computer tech and computer security as my 60+ year old relatives.

Rather than raking her over the coals for something anyone her age could easily do Id rather they focus on educating the older less tech savy politicians why private emails arent safe or secure.

The public either praise or dont give two ****s when hackers leak government documents that potentially endanger lives but when Hillary only uses a private email they lose their ****...if thats not pure partisan politics IDK what is.

The problem isn't the email scandal but how she reacted to it. It's just a major eye roll moment at least for me.
 
The problem isn't the email scandal but how she reacted to it. It's just a major eye roll moment at least for me.

It's the email scandal itself that has me crying foul. It's a huge judgement issue imo. When Obama first moved into the White House, there was a big deal made out of him getting a Blackberry (this was two years pre 4g mind you so the smartphones werent yet everywhere). Why? Because of security concerns. Email isn't a new concept, it's easily 20 years old within offices. Email being used in court isn't new. Email being hacked isn't new. Keeping communications secure to and from the SECRETARY OF STATE isn't new.

She chose convenience over security. Plain as that. That's a mark against her judgement. Her attempt to cover it up is just more proof that her judgment could use some serious work.
 
To be fair, imo this whole email business is nothing more than Benghazi 2.0. A "scandal" the Right can latch onto and make into a mountain of BS. Hillary is not the only one in Washington using their private email for work related stuff, and its unlikely she was using a private email for nefarious reasons. She is an older lady and is probably as informed about computer tech and computer security as my 60+ year old relatives.

Rather than raking her over the coals for something anyone her age could easily do Id rather they focus on educating the older less tech savy politicians why private emails arent safe or secure.

The public either praise or dont give two ****s when hackers leak government documents that potentially endanger lives but when Hillary only uses a private email they lose their ****...if thats not pure partisan politics IDK what is.
This isn't Benghazi 2.0. First of all, as Smashlilman perfectly states, it's not so much the emails, but the way she has reacted to it. She handled Benghazi the best that she could while she has handled her email issue as if she has something to hide. Second, she clearly broke rules here. While she may yet again, not broken the law, she did break transparency rules that Obama set forth. And finally, unlike Benghazi, she has been caught lying on this issue again and again and again.
 
It's the email scandal itself that has me crying foul. It's a huge judgement issue imo. When Obama first moved into the White House, there was a big deal made out of him getting a Blackberry (this was two years pre 4g mind you so the smartphones werent yet everywhere). Why? Because of security concerns. Email isn't a new concept, it's easily 20 years old within offices. Email being used in court isn't new. Email being hacked isn't new. Keeping communications secure to and from the SECRETARY OF STATE isn't new.

She chose convenience over security. Plain as that. That's a mark against her judgement. Her attempt to cover it up is just more proof that her judgment could use some serious work.

That argument is completely idiotic because she was within her rights to do as she did. The administration has come out and said so along with the committees tasked with trying to find out if she did wrong. If it was a bad move then she shouldn't have been allowed to do so in the first place. She was also within her right to delete any email she deemed unimportant because that is part of her job. But the way she handled it makes her seem like an idiot.
 
That argument is completely idiotic because she was within her rights to do as she did. The administration has come out and said so along with the committees tasked with trying to find out if she did wrong. If it was a bad move then she shouldn't have been allowed to do so in the first place. She was also within her right to delete any email she deemed unimportant because that is part of her job. But the way she handled it makes her seem like an idiot.

No... it's not idiotic. What is idiotic is putting state secrets on some mom and pop email server. She directly threatened the security of the country because she wanted convenience. She was likely not allowed to have easy remote access away from the secured State Department network so she instructed her minions to reach her at her personal, more convenient, home email address.

These actions are idiotic, dangerous and downright treasonous. Top Secret information passed between those unsecure servers that China and other countries most likely EASILY obtained.

She employeed IT firms that had zero security clearance and zero experience dealing with government data. It's such a major fail that it has sunk one of the strongest and surest Presidential campaigns in recent history. That's idiotic.
 
Originally Posted by Taarna
Okay then, do not use TV as any source here or reference anything from Television.

Funny that you quote this and not how I completely destroyed your idiotic comments at the top of the page

I think I'll start calling you Dunning Kruger.
 
Originally Posted by DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs

That argument is completely idiotic because she was within her rights to do as she did. The administration has come out and said so along with the committees tasked with trying to find out if she did wrong. If it was a bad move then she shouldn't have been allowed to do so in the first place. She was also within her right to delete any email she deemed unimportant because that is part of her job. But the way she handled it makes her seem like an idiot.

No... it's not idiotic. What is idiotic is putting state secrets on some mom and pop email server. She directly threatened the security of the country because she wanted convenience. She was likely not allowed to have easy remote access away from the secured State Department network so she instructed her minions to reach her at her personal, more convenient, home email address.

These actions are idiotic, dangerous and downright treasonous. Top Secret information passed between those unsecure servers that China and other countries most likely EASILY obtained.

She employeed IT firms that had zero security clearance and zero experience dealing with government data. It's such a major fail that it has sunk one of the strongest and surest Presidential campaigns in recent history. That's idiotic.

Lex,

To save you some time you're dealing with a kid ( DJ ) with admitted drug issues.

You are correct. Hillary's actions are idiotic, dangerous and downright treasonous!
 

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