Wolverine.....what a joke!

[Len N. Wallace]

Who brought these dumbass threads back?

 

[Bat-Mantis]

That defenders prick.
He started them a long time ago with an alternate screen name to try to get some twisted, geeky, sad fanboy kick... guess he needed another fix and thought to bring them back.
The guy brings new meaning to the word "useless", I tell ya.

 

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Originally posted by Kurosawa


And various characters chew Wolverine out all the time for being a jerk or for being reckless. Cyclops used to do it regularly. Cap doing it is no big deal. They do scenes like that to show Wolverine defying authority. It's a big part of his popularity. Never mind that he may get people killed with his supreme arrogance.

actually, all wolverine did afterward was sit down, shut up, and look sullen.
and he was drunkenly flirting with a hot stewardess, not putting people's lives in danger.

 

[Mr. Fear]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
That defenders prick.
He started them a long time ago with an alternate screen name to try to get some twisted, geeky, sad fanboy kick... guess he needed another fix and thought to bring them back.
The guy brings new meaning to the word "useless", I tell ya.

I like defenders.

 

[Len N. Wallace]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
That defenders prick.
He started them a long time ago with an alternate screen name to try to get some twisted, geeky, sad fanboy kick... guess he needed another fix and thought to bring them back.
The guy brings new meaning to the word "useless", I tell ya.

Dude's like, what? 12? 13? I pity da fool...

 

[demento]

Somebody hasn't been reading his Ennis.

 

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Originally posted by Mr. Fear
I like defenders.

perhaps you are defenders??!?! whOOoOOoOOOOOoooOoo.........

 

[FlameHead]

Originally posted by Roughneck
So what if Wolverine sell books. I have avoided titles cause he is in them. Marvel should o a poll. If they want to sell books for me I need an Archangel appearance. That is a guarenteed sale for me. For some it is Cyclops, or Dr. Strange, or even 3DMan. Just case more people will buy a book with Wolverine in it doesn't make sense for them. Oh Wait it does. Well I still dont like him. I used to but I m now sick of him. I used to like McDonalds Cheesburgers, But I ate about 5-10 a day for three months now I can't stand them. If I smell one I will get sick. As a Canadian it disgusts me that Wolvierine is so loved. It bothers me tht he is even from Western Canada. I would expect that from a Newfie but not here. I cannot wait for the day when his real origin is revealed and he spent WWII as a Nazi that everyone hated and then he fades into obscurity right behind Eye-Scream.

Expect that from a Newfie? Huh?

 

[TheLizard]

Reason 1, the only one that matters, HE IS CANADIAN.

 

[FlameHead]

hmm... i'm confused.

 

[X]

It's the same thing with Batman. He's a good character, certain people just make him out to be bad. Yes, Wolverines overexposed at times, blah blah blah, he's still a decent, good character underneath it all. Lot of great stories have been written involving him. Yes, a lot of cliched, rushed stuff written just to make money as well, but still. Just a couple of stupid fans that overplay him, ala Batman, and it's contagious. Stupidity that is.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Ok...so everyone hates Wolvie b/c he is in a lot of books? Thats ignorant. He may be in a lot of books...but I have had far more Spidey crammed sideways up my butt in the years I have read comics. At least Woverine is interesting, unlike frickin science geek Parker. Maybe it's more that he beats up a lot of other heroes, etc. Well...he is a mutant who heals fast, has adamantium skeleton, and is a master with swords, martial arts, and his claws. He should be able to kick the crap out of half the guys you all are fanboys for. Capt. America? Give me a bereak. He is the ultimate man b/c he took a freakin drink like 60 years ago and then was frozen for what? 3 decades. That whole time Wovie was kickin peoples heads in. Cap shouldn't be able to even stand up to Wolvie, but he does b/c he is Cap America and people have to suspend logic and side with him b/c he has a shield and wears Red White and Blue.
Face it. Without Wolvie marvel would be belly up. Like him or not, he is an great character with lots of back story and depth. He makes alot of money for Marvel. He isn't going anywhere.

 

[captainrogers]

Damn, Nitehawk013, you are a Cap hating Machine!!! I'm just playing with you man!
But I could see Cap taking Wolvie out in a fight and vice versa. They are pretty much even IMHO.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Are you following me around threads? Just Kidding.

 

[Démon]

Originally posted by FlameHead
Expect that from a Newfie? Huh?

Bah, don't mind him. He's just another mainlander that allowed himself to be consumed by the ignorance and prejudice against Newfoundland. Thankfully, most mainlanders here are more respectable.

Yes, Wolverine is indeed an overhyped character. He was good in the beginning, when his powers had a limit - took longer for him to heal. Now he's got a healing factor that's not too far from the Hulk's. (For example, he walked out of the atomic explosion in the Venom series unscathed) Bad writing has led him to become a stale character.
Not that I hate Wolverine. I really like his Origin and the story behind the adamantium infusion. Plus he's got one of my favorite villains; Sabretooth. But it's just that writers have made him pretty much invulnerable, and use him waaayyyy too much.

 

[Melfina]

Ya, I have nothing against Wolverine, I like him, I honestly do. It's just that you can only make a character interesting for so many years. He has been through everything and seems nearly invincible, and that has been done so many times. He's always been in the spotlight and will probably continue to.
I think Wolverine currently is just horrible (in the New X-men series) but I also think that about the other characters as well (Xavier smokes, Scott cheats on his wife and Beast looke like a big furry kitten)


Wolvie only 5'3'? wow he's the same height as me, thats pretty damn short 0_o

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Nitehawk013
Ok...so everyone hates Wolvie b/c he is in a lot of books? Thats ignorant. He may be in a lot of books...but I have had far more Spidey crammed sideways up my butt in the years I have read comics. At least Woverine is interesting, unlike frickin science geek Parker. Maybe it's more that he beats up a lot of other heroes, etc. Well...he is a mutant who heals fast, has adamantium skeleton, and is a master with swords, martial arts, and his claws. He should be able to kick the crap out of half the guys you all are fanboys for. Capt. America? Give me a bereak. He is the ultimate man b/c he took a freakin drink like 60 years ago and then was frozen for what? 3 decades. That whole time Wovie was kickin peoples heads in. Cap shouldn't be able to even stand up to Wolvie, but he does b/c he is Cap America and people have to suspend logic and side with him b/c he has a shield and wears Red White and Blue.
Face it. Without Wolvie marvel would be belly up. Like him or not, he is an great character with lots of back story and depth. He makes alot of money for Marvel. He isn't going anywhere.

Wow, most of that was utter bulls***.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Wow...what a terribly precise reply.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was talking about your, um... assessment of Spider-Man and Captain America, which is what took up the majority of your post. Hence, most of it was utter bulls***. Hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Nitehawk013]

I thought it was rather straight forward and exacting assessment of Cap. He was in fact a nobody who took a drug and turned into an olympic athlete/war hero. Then he gets frozen for seriously like 30 years. That whole time Wolvie adds to his already commanding amount of experience over him. It's like saying you or I could train to our peak level for like 5 years, then never work out for decades, and still be able to come back and whup a world Karate champion. Not logical...only bad writing allows it. As far as Spidey is concerned, for the years I read comics all I ever heard was how wonderful nd great Spidey was. I heard more about him and had to see more of him than I did Wolverine.

 

[X]

And Wolverine spent how much of that time, drinking and hanging around, getting in trouble, and doing other unhealthy things? Wolverine was also a nobody who happened to be a mutant.

And Cap was in suspended animation of sorts, so he's just as good as when he was blown off that ship into the water today, well, when he was found by those people and Namor and unfrozen.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Nitehawk013
I thought it was rather straight forward and exacting assessment of Cap. He was in fact a nobody who took a drug and turned into an olympic athlete/war hero. Then he gets frozen for seriously like 30 years. That whole time Wolvie adds to his already commanding amount of experience over him. It's like saying you or I could train to our peak level for like 5 years, then never work out for decades, and still be able to come back and whup a world Karate champion. Not logical...only bad writing allows it. As far as Spidey is concerned, for the years I read comics all I ever heard was how wonderful nd great Spidey was. I heard more about him and had to see more of him than I did Wolverine.

Wolverine can have all the training you want him to, but he still won't remember much of it. His memory extends what, 5-10 years back? Whenever he woke up in the cabin of Heather and James Hudson. His life before that is a blur, with only a few memories of the Weapon X project. Whether he had any training or not before that is irrelevant, since he can't access it. Even if he could, you and I both know that Wolverine fights like a savage animal 9 times out of 10. I think the only time I've seen him actually use any of his knowledge of martial arts is against Lord Shingen. He's been taken out by far less than Captain America, like a squad of the Hellfire Club's thugs, for example. Captain America's fought off squad after squad of Nazis on the battlefield with nothing but his shield and his wits.

Captain America is at least as strong as Wolverine. He's also faster, more agile, and has quicker reflexes. His shield can take Wolverine's claws without a problem, which basically brings them back to fighting experience. Cap's got it in spades. He was given the serum and then he trained constantly. He's mastered several martial arts forms and uses a hybridized version of all of them, picking and choosing whichever moves best suit the battle with one of the best strategic/tactical minds on the planet. He was stuck in suspended animation for years and woke up about 10 years ago in Marvel time. Not only was his body in exactly the same condition it was in when he was frozen (hence, suspended animation), he's been training almost constantly whenever he's not stuck fighting some psycho villain ever since then. That gives him pretty much the same amount of experience as Wolverine can access and Captain America, unlike Wolverine, actually uses his combat experience and martial arts.

 

[X]

Well said.

 

[Nitehawk013]

I cannot disagree enough with that opinion Corpulent. First you mention that Wolvie cannot access his past training. That is false. He has shown in numerous X books as well as his own book that he has access to and uses the samurai training he gained as well as the martial arts. He did not have access to his true origins and who he really was. the Weapon X program blocked out those things but left him his skills at fighting and killing. Also, although he does appear very savage, he does not always fight as an animal. He uses his claws. You mean to tell me that bc he doesn't do a jump spinning heel kick he doesn't use his Martial Arts training? He always uses his training and I am sure knows exactly what he is doing. That is until the eyes turn red and he goes berserk.
I do not know about any Hellfire thugs taking him down. I have not seen that but if you post it or show it I will accept it in context. I have seen him machine gunned down by normal men. I have not ever seen him taken down by any normal people.
Cap is prolly as strong or possibly a tad stronger than Wolvie. I accept that. but strength is easily neutralized by a good fighter, which Wolvie has had over a century of training at. As far as Cap being faster and more agile, that is your opinion. wolvie has demonstrated some pretty impressive agility and speed in the X books. I don't know about the reflexes though. Although Wolvie does have superior heightened senses.
the shield is of stronger material than the claws...but if he throws it, and doesn't get it back...Cap has nothing left.
In Fighting Experiance you must have swallowed you brain to say Cap has it "in spades". He has a grand total of what...fifteen to maybe 20 years combat exp in Marvel time. Wolvie has been fighting in one way or another for over 100 years. granted a part of that time was a s a beast just killing to survive..but that gives him an edge Cap will never have.
You said Cap has "mastered" several forms of martial arts. I have seen it in another thread and I know from friends who are in Martial arts, that Cap did not have time to master multiple forms of martial arts. If he trained for fives years before he was in WWII then he may have learned one form of the arts well. It is foolish to say he mastered anything in that time and it takles away from the art and difficulty of the martial arts. I don't care if he trained for 12 hours a day...he could not have mastered squat. I admit he is great at whatever form he chose, and uses the shield fluently as an extension of himself....but he did not have time to master the martial arts. He wasn't doing training while he was in a block of ice.
Cap is a great fighter, and he would beat down most normal villains and normal mutants like Gambit, etc. But Wolvie is in a league of his own.

 

[Flame on!]

Originally posted by ComicMaster
...his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men...

That's the best anti-Wolvie comment I've heard...