BvS Wonder Woman's Role in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, the lasso better not be an afterthought. It just needs a little effort to make it something spectacular.

 

[haephestus]

I really need to see that lasso in action. Wanna see what Snyder does with it

Me too. As others have said, I hope it isn't forgotten in favour of the sword and shield.

The fact that Wonder Woman is carrying it indicates that it will be used at some point. Maybe it is her "in case of emergency if all else fails" weapon of choice?

It appears as though they have embraced the "magic" with her bracelet smash powers, so there appears to be no reason why her lasso couldn't also be magical.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I really need to see that lasso in action. Wanna see what Snyder does with it

I want them to adapt the scene from the WW dtv where Steve is touching it unknowingly and starts telling the truth. Use it on someone, would make for a funny moment.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It would be interesting if it's used in the film the way they used Thor's Hammer in AoU. To establish moral bona fides. It would be interesting if Superman were to subject himself to it and thus prove something to Batman... Batman I think would demure from having it used on him (though I could also see it written that he would) but if the proof of what the lasso can do had been established for him then he would have a look into Superman's heart. That would be just one way WW could contribute to the story I think.

 

[The Guard]

I think the Lasso of Truth has something to do with those sequences of Batman fighting Supertroopers. A vision, perhaps.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think it's WW that has the vision which prompts her involvement in the plot, to avert a future that we see, of a world devastated and of the super heroes dead at the hands of a tyrant "Superman". In fact, that could be part of setting up the wider universe, with hints of the other superheroes dropped during this glimpse of the future.

 

[Vlyse]

We may not get a TITANS film or lots of other characters. I for one am not holding my breath to see Donna or any version of Wondergirl.

I think the only sidekicks that have a shot are Supergirl and the Batfamily. No Superboy. No Wonder Girl.

As for Diana and WW2, I think a period solo film would be odd. As of now, Suicide Squad follows BvS, JL is next, and The Batman is chronologically after JL. So I'm not sure Wonder Woman would break chronology.

She does deserve her origin story being told in full as a standalone film, though.

 

[Loki882]

It's not THAT odd. Marvel did it with Captain America: The First Avenger after all. It:

-Gives the film a more distinct setting/vibe/tone from the others.
-Gives the film time to breathe/focus without having to shove a bunch of references to other stuff into it.

And the Amazons have been around for millennia, so it's simply a matter of coming up with an explanation for WW not looking as old as she really is, which would not be hard to do. Also, given how isolationist the Amazons are, you'd need a truly serious threat in order to convince them that they need to get involved in the outside world's problems (and the Axis powers fit that bill nicely). Plus, it gives you an excuse to potentially use Baroness Paula von Gunther (who is an ex-Nazi in the comics).

 

[Smallville13]

Has WW always or ever been >100 years old though in the comics lore?

I thought in the Azarello run she was in her early 20's, same with Johns' JL.

I don't think she was a century old in the Marston or Perez runs either... Can someone explain?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Well, to be honest... It's been BOTH established that she's young, younger than both Batman and Superman by a quite a few years AND it's been a subject of debate given the back story of the Amazons. Some fans for quite some time have theorized that it is possible that her mother having isolated the Amazons on the island thousands of years ago, could possible have had Diana some time well before the modern age, and being that Amazons are gifted with immortality maybe Diana is hundreds or even thousands of years old. I am not a fan of that, just as I am not a fan of the Zeus as her father bit.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, at least they won't have portrayed where she's foreign to the ways of "Man's World" (ala Thor style).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't have a problem with that. In fact I think it's part of her charm as a character some times when it's handled well. When it's not handled well we get that moment in the JL: WAR animated film where she sounds like and idiot.

 

[Smallville13]

Well, to be honest... It's been BOTH established that she's young, younger than both Batman and Superman by a quite a few years AND it's been a subject of debate given the back story of the Amazons. Some fans for quite some time have theorized that it is possible that her mother having isolated the Amazons on the island thousands of years ago, could possible have had Diana some time well before the modern age, and being that Amazons are gifted with immortality maybe Diana is hundreds or even thousands of years old. I am not a fan of that, just as I am not a fan of the Zeus as her father bit.

Agreed.

To me the timing is just really unfortunate. Grant Morrison is completely re-building the WW mythos through a modern lens right now. And he says he's most proud of how he's changed the clay origin so it doesn't make her alienating but also keeps the central idea of a women creating another women. It's a shame it's not out there and on Patty Jenkins' writers table right now... The bake-off scripting process for the WW film does not bode confidence at all.

And it's just a shame that they're all going to be looking at the New 52 run, which I really thought only had the art really going for it in the end.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Wonder Woman uses her lasso on both Superman and Batman at the end of the movie to allow them to see into each other's hearts and see that both are actually fighting on the side of good. It would be a great way to use the lasso that brings about the resolution of the film and puts an end to the fighting. Otherwise how else are Superman and Batman ever going to truly trust one another and not think that either could be a danger to the public? Superman will otherwise think that Batman is a dangerous bat vigilante, and Batman will think Superman is an alien public menace who needs to be stopped otherwise he'll destroy the world if gone unchecked.

And this would give WW an important and pivotal role to play in bringing the two together, and ultimately uniting the Justice League.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Maybe Wonder Woman uses her lasso on both Superman and Batman at the end of the movie to allow them to see into each other's hearts and see that both are actually fighting on the side of good. It would be a great way to use the lasso that brings about the resolution of the film and puts an end to the fighting. Otherwise how else are Superman and Batman ever going to truly trust one another and not think that either could be a danger to the public? Superman will otherwise think that Batman is a dangerous bat vigilante, and Batman will think Superman is an alien public menace who needs to be stopped otherwise he'll destroy the world if gone unchecked.

And this would give WW an important and pivotal role to play in bringing the two together, and ultimately uniting the Justice League.

I like it, and I seriously love that she'd be using the Truth as a weapon to reconcile BM and SM. But Snyder would have to take care or any lasso scene where the truth power is utilized could come off as cheesy perhaps. If possible though, the lasso really does need to be front and center, moreso than the sword and shield hopefully. We shall soon enough see.

 

[Dark Raven]

I like it, and I seriously love that she'd be using the Truth as a weapon to reconcile BM and SM. But Snyder would have to take care or any lasso scene where the truth power is utilized could come off as cheesy perhaps. If possible though, the lasso really does need to be front and center, moreso than the sword and shield hopefully. We shall soon enough see.

I think in the movie, she just needs to use it once before on someone else as a set up to show its power, and then she can use it again at the end on Batman and Superman. If she just uses it at the end like that, while fans will know what it does, not all of the general audience might know (or remember the 70s show), and so it could seem like a deus ex machina.

They can show it off much more in her own movie, but I don't think there would be time to really keep using it too much in BvS if she doesn't have that many scenes.

 

[Loki882]

Agreed.

To me the timing is just really unfortunate. Grant Morrison is completely re-building the WW mythos through a modern lens right now. And he says he's most proud of how he's changed the clay origin so it doesn't make her alienating but also keeps the central idea of a women creating another women. It's a shame it's not out there and on Patty Jenkins' writers table right now... The bake-off scripting process for the WW film does not bode confidence at all.

And it's just a shame that they're all going to be looking at the New 52 run, which I really thought only had the art really going for it in the end.

Except Hippolyta DOESN'T do that. Even in the original origin, the gods created her since they both brought her to life and bestowed her "gifts" on her.

 

[Loki882]

I don't have a problem with that. In fact I think it's part of her charm as a character some times when it's handled well. When it's not handled well we get that moment in the JL: WAR animated film where she sounds like and idiot.

I find it to be really cliché/obvious myself. Been there done that, not interesting in seeing it again.

 

[terry78]

She should be aware of the rest of society and its customs just by what she hears or sees from studies, etc., as there are Amazons that obviously have traveled. Like she should know what an iPhone is and ****. But she should just be a little standoffish personality wise.

 

[matt47]

I don't have a problem with that. In fact I think it's part of her charm as a character some times when it's handled well. When it's not handled well we get that moment in the JL: WAR animated film where she sounds like and idiot.

Ugh I hated WW in JL: WAR..

 

[matt47]

I don't have a problem with that. In fact I think it's part of her charm as a character some times when it's handled well. When it's not handled well we get that moment in the JL: WAR animated film where she sounds like and idiot.

Ugh I hated WW in JL: WAR..
On that topic I feel like it's pretty much confirmed that it won't happen. From the looks of it and from what we've heard, she's been around for a while. Bruce knows her, maybe for a couple years.

 

[moviefreak]

 

[matt47]

Why on earth would Gwendelin where those effing high heels?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Spoiler

I love it, the RLA (Random League of Actresses).

 

[Silliminite]

Reposting from the Gal Gadot thread.

Just in case it hasn't been posted yet, here's the entire Women Who Kick Ass panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbvvbcxpyTE

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Towards the end of the video, Gal touches a bit on how Zack narrowed in on WW's characterization.