Days of Future Past Worst moments in 'X-men: First Class'

Another thing. Not a gripe about the movie, but was I the only one who wished Magento didn't go completely bad at the end. I wouldve loved to see Erki and Xavier's relationship build over at least another movie before he went off on his own

Agree. I stated earlier that they made events such as the paralyzing of X and them falling out, and Beast going blue in this film because they didn't want to risk not being able to make a sequel and wanted to get everything covered in one film. They very easily could have waited on a lot of things to be in a sequel, but didn't want to risk it. So put it all in in this one.
 
January Jones Im starting to think is not that good of an actress or at least Im starting to not like her as an actress. Ive seen every episode of Mad Men and FC and idk she always seems bored to me

The thing is while you're right about the bored aspect, at least for me she has this weird screen presence that I can't stop looking at her, and everytime she changes her facial expression from bored to smile, I just fall for it everytime.

Another thing. Not a gripe about the movie, but was I the only one who wished Magento didn't go completely bad at the end. I wouldve loved to see Erki and Xavier's relationship build over at least another movie before he went off on his own

You're not the only one, but I can't wait to see them do their weird friendly battling routine again...

"Here to rescue me Charles?"
"Sorry Erik, not today".
 
It was his "coming out" scene, he embraced his choice. And, of course, a major nod to the comic books.

I really don't know what would make people on here happy. If it ain't like the comics, you ****** and moan all day and all night for years; if it is like the comics, you ****** and moan all day and all night for years.

You got Beast, but the look is ripped apart, You got Emma Frost, but the diamond look is ripped apart. God knows how the look of Warren Worthington's Angel and fully-frosted Iceman would be received if we ever did get the Original Five... I can see it now: "the ice look didn't work, why did his clothes turn to ice as well", "the bird wings didn't work, he looked like he was on wires, how does he fit them under his clothes."

Christ on a bike.... It's like a convention of the Never Satisfied Society....:cmad:

LOL:awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome:
 
Not to mention the whole point was that Magneto thought the human race would turn on them and treat them how they treated the Jews. He saw humanity's cruelness first hand and believed humans were capable of doing it again. It wasn't what humanity had done but what they were going to do. Xavier believed he was wrong but at the end Magneto was proven right.
Well, it's not like humanity in general turned on Jews, right? I bet that even in Germany, some Germans refused to be part of the nazi regimen.]
Magneto will never be proven right. The fact that he believes humanity should just be destroyed and the "better" race take its place aligns him with Shaw and (ironically) the nazis he hated so much.

Xavier is maybe too näive, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe that humans are all 100% good and will accept mutants with open arms. He knows mutants will suffer persucution, even be killed. The difference is that, unlike Erik, he's set to believe there can be some way of both races reaching some kind of understanding.

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They'll always be "old friends" as they each owe their lives to one another.
How exactly Xavier owened his life to Erik? :huh: It was more the opposite, a one-way friendship, because when Charles needed his help the most, Erik deserted him. And he would do the same later on, when he left Xavier to die in X2.
Very strange friendship, when you think about it. Maybe Xavier was a glutton for punishment, idk...
 
It was his "coming out" scene, he embraced his choice. And, of course, a major nod to the comic books.

I really don't know what would make people on here happy. If it ain't like the comics, you ****** and moan all day and all night for years; if it is like the comics, you ****** and moan all day and all night for years.

You got Beast, but the look is ripped apart, You got Emma Frost, but the diamond look is ripped apart. God knows how the look of Warren Worthington's Angel and fully-frosted Iceman would be received if we ever did get the Original Five... I can see it now: "the ice look didn't work, why did his clothes turn to ice as well", "the bird wings didn't work, he looked like he was on wires, how does he fit them under his clothes."

Christ on a bike.... It's like a convention of the Never Satisfied Society....:cmad:
I dont see why you care what people think so much? Who cares if people complain. Besides, why come to a thread specified for people to talk about what they didnt like about the film just to counter their opinions.

I didnt like how quickly Magnetos costume was put in there. Deal
 
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I dont see why you care what people think so much? Who cares if people complain. Besides, why come to a thread specified for people to talk about what they didnt like about the film just to counter their opinions.

I'm not countering anything, i haven't the time for specific rebuttals, just surprised at the endless groaning and grumbling. Just proves to me that X3 and Wolverine weren't THAT bad, the byotching is the standard reaction of the radical fanboy...

I didnt like how quickly Magnetos costume was put in there. Deal

I'm not shaking on that deal...
 
Magneto didn't "go" bad at the end. His character held true to his beliefs the entire time. Nothing was going to stop him from acting upon his revenge on Shaw. He always wanted mutants to join together and become strong against the humans and their fear and hatred. The parallels between his treatment from the Nazis reflected perfectly at that moment and he realized that there was no difference. He took it upon himself not only to save himself and his fellow mutants on the island, but was willing to return the favor in a fashion that's hard to argue with.

So, Magneto might've turned "bad", but hell, it's hard to argue with his decisions. It was unfortunate how things turned out.
 
I dont see why you care what people think so much? Who cares if people complain. Besides, why come to a thread specified for people to talk about what they didnt like about the film just to counter their opinions.

I didnt like how quickly Magnetos costume was put in there. Deal

This doesn't make any sense.
 
My minor gripes

- Brought this up in another thread: Xavier making references to being bald were awkward and unnecessary. Xavier has no knowledge he will go bald prematurely, nor does he have any reason to assume such a notion. He pretty much breaks the fourth wall. The first one, where Beast suggests shaving his head was fine, the second line to Moira is odd and probably should have been left out. "Next thing you know I'll start going bald"...really? Funny story, you do, and you wouldn't know that.

- Xavier seems to think the X-Uniforms are bulletproof...whoops.

- Sometimes I felt like they put too much effort into explaining this or that. "Professor X"'s "codename didn't need an origin, because it's his name. It's an understandible go-by.

- Aside from Emma Frost and Shaw I felt like they made awkward choices for the villains. I would've rather seen them go for villains with a little more character. The X-Men got excellent development, whereas Azazel, Riptide and Angel might as well have been anyone. Visually appealing, but way too interchangible. I think they made poor character choices for some of these background characters, and reinforced how lame they were by rendering them mute.
 
My minor gripes

- Xavier seems to think the X-Uniforms are bulletproof...whoops.

Heh, I noticed this the second time.

And I agree with you on the bald lines, the first one was kind of playful and funny while being somewhat sublte. The second one was groan inducing, that whole conversation at the end was.
 
the one major plot hole that bugged me and i don't even know if it is a plot hole as it concerns X3

is they are enemies now and xavier is in the chair, how in the hell does the scene in X3 in jeans house when she's young happen
 
- Although it's entirely up in the air, Shawneto's helmet was clearly "metal" right? If so why couldn't Magneto move it. I wish they had indicated what it was made out of earlier.

- When Emma Frost "breaks" out of the prison, she's clearly not wearing a power inhibitor since she idly breaks the glass in her diamond form. So why does she not simply use her telepathy to control her captures and free herself?

- PG-13 strip clubs simply don't work.

- Storm and Cyclops are clearly seen in the cerebro scene which would make them far older than the first movie allows.

- How come Beast had a costume that fit his transformed form? Wouldn't he have made those before his metamorphasis?

- When the Hellfire Club squared off against the "X-Men" why didn't Banshee just rupture all their eardrums?

- I'm still a little fishy as to how Shaw could absorb a bullet but not a coin. This did seem to be a more overpowered version of Shaw and Bishop's powers, but I couldn't make complete sense of them.

- Xavier didn't have to freeze Shaw indefinitely in one position, he could've taken over his body and made him move (although my rational for this is Xavier wanted him dead but wouldn't admit it).
 
- Although it's entirely up in the air, Shawneto's helmet was clearly "metal" right? If so why couldn't Magneto move it. I wish they had indicated what it was made out of earlier.

- When Emma Frost "breaks" out of the prison, she's clearly not wearing a power inhibitor since she idly breaks the glass in her diamond form. So why does she not simply use her telepathy to control her captures and free herself?

- PG-13 strip clubs simply don't work.

- Storm and Cyclops are clearly seen in the cerebro scene which would make them far older than the first movie allows.

- How come Beast had a costume that fit his transformed form? Wouldn't he have made those before his metamorphasis?

- When the Hellfire Club squared off against the "X-Men" why didn't Banshee just rupture all their eardrums?

- I'm still a little fishy as to how Shaw could absorb a bullet but not a coin. This did seem to be a more overpowered version of Shaw and Bishop's powers, but I couldn't make complete sense of them.

- Xavier didn't have to freeze Shaw indefinitely in one position, he could've taken over his body and made him move (although my rational for this is Xavier wanted him dead but wouldn't admit it).

I agree with the helmet thing, mostly because when Moira shot at Erik's head I think I heard a clang.

And I agree with basically everything else, except the thing about Shaw, I think Shaw's powers were kinda disabled when Xavier got in his head, like when Jean stopped Nightcrawler mid-air and stopped him from teleporting, that's the only explanation I can come up with.
 
I agree with the helmet thing, mostly because when Moira shot at Erik's head I think I heard a clang.

And I agree with basically everything else, except the thing about Shaw, I think Shaw's powers were kinda disabled when Xavier got in his head, like when Jean stopped Nightcrawler mid-air and stopped him from teleporting, that's the only explanation I can come up with.

The explanation that I come up with is that the moment was too bad ass for me to really care about minute nitpicking :)
 
The explanation that I come up with is that the moment was too bad ass for me to really care about minute nitpicking :)
As I was watching it, for some reason I thought it was because Xavier secretly wanted him dead, and sent Magneto after him for that very reason. He could've sent Mystique to fool him and capture him, but he sent Magneto whom he knew had a vendetta and would kill him. Then he simply tried to talk Magneto out of it, and half-heartedly I thought.
 
As I was watching it, for some reason I thought it was because Xavier secretly wanted him dead, and sent Magneto after him for that very reason. He could've sent Mystique to fool him and capture him, but he sent Magneto whom he knew had a vendetta and would kill him. Then he simply tried to talk Magneto out of it, and half-heartedly I thought.

I don't think there are any hidden meanings that weren't shown. I take it as Xavier wanted Magneto to take a different path than killing Shaw. But I think that Xavier knew the threat that Shaw posed if he "released" control. He didn't want Erik to kill Shaw, but he didn't want Shaw to destroy the world with his nuclear absorption either.
 
I don't think there are any hidden meanings that weren't shown. I take it as Xavier wanted Magneto to take a different path than killing Shaw. But I think that Xavier knew the threat that Shaw posed if he "released" control. He didn't want Erik to kill Shaw, but he didn't want Shaw to destroy the world with his nuclear absorption either.
Well of course that's why he wanted Shaw dead. I wasn't implying Xavier just wanted to kill some random nice guy who liked puppies and sunshine. Xavier saw what Shaw was planning, he didn't have many other options.
 
Well, it's not like humanity in general turned on Jews, right? I bet that even in Germany, some Germans refused to be part of the nazi regimen.]
Magneto will never be proven right. The fact that he believes humanity should just be destroyed and the "better" race take its place aligns him with Shaw and (ironically) the nazis he hated so much.


Xavier is maybe too näive, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe that humans are all 100% good and will accept mutants with open arms. He knows mutants will suffer persucution, even be killed. The difference is that, unlike Erik, he's set to believe there can be some way of both races reaching some kind of understanding.


How exactly Xavier owened his life to Erik? :huh: It was more the opposite, a one-way friendship, because when Charles needed his help the most, Erik deserted him. And he would do the same later on, when he left Xavier to die in X2.
Very strange friendship, when you think about it. Maybe Xavier was a glutton for punishment, idk...

Anyone who's studied the holocaust knows its not just what people did but what people let happen. Magneto's experiences in the holocaust essentially caused him to lose faith in humanity and not want to associate him self with them. He saw what humans have done and yes considers them inferior due to their indiscretions which directly affected him and his family.

Yes, Magneto is a comic book villain so he's going to have these destroy the world plots but I and a lot of people consider him much more complex than just a black and white villain.
 
- Although it's entirely up in the air, Shawneto's helmet was clearly "metal" right? If so why couldn't Magneto move it. I wish they had indicated what it was made out of earlier.

Presumably it wasn't or else Magneto could've just yanked it off. It must have been made of some synthetic substance.

- When Emma Frost "breaks" out of the prison, she's clearly not wearing a power inhibitor since she idly breaks the glass in her diamond form. So why does she not simply use her telepathy to control her captures and free herself?

I'm sure there were guards everywhere, and I'm not positive she can control multiple minds at one time.

- How come Beast had a costume that fit his transformed form? Wouldn't he have made those before his metamorphasis?

The outfits must've been made of some stretchy material.

- When the Hellfire Club squared off against the "X-Men" why didn't Banshee just rupture all their eardrums?

Banshee, like the other kids, was too scared to use his powers at the time.

- I'm still a little fishy as to how Shaw could absorb a bullet but not a coin. This did seem to be a more overpowered version of Shaw and Bishop's powers, but I couldn't make complete sense of them.

I assume Xavier shut down his mutant ability so Shaw couldn't absorb the energy.

- Xavier didn't have to freeze Shaw indefinitely in one position, he could've taken over his body and made him move (although my rational for this is Xavier wanted him dead but wouldn't admit it).

Charles said at one point that he was having trouble even holding onto Shaw. I don't think he could've made him move. What I wonder is why didn't he go in with Erik to prevent him from killing Shaw?
 
- PG-13 strip clubs simply don't work.

Why because of no nudity? I've been to strip clubs before and the girls usually come out with their clothes on at first. It worked for what they needed to show.

- I'm still a little fishy as to how Shaw could absorb a bullet but not a coin. This did seem to be a more overpowered version of Shaw and Bishop's powers, but I couldn't make complete sense of them.

Xavier was controlling him so he didn't have complete control of his power. There's that but also it wasn't some extreme force of energy, Magneto slowly shoved a coin through his head...which must have been incredibly painful. :woot:
 
Presumably it wasn't or else Magneto could've just yanked it off. It must have been made of some synthetic substance.
That's basically what you have to assume, I just wish they would've made some reference to this beforehand.
I'm sure there were guards everywhere, and I'm not positive she can control multiple minds at one time.
I dunno, she seemed to be plenty powerful according to Xavier. I assumed the scene was done more for atmosphere. I also assumed perhaps she simply felt escaping was unnecessary and Shaw would come get her when he was ready. Either way, while I liked the line she delivered, I felt breaking the glass was a tad hokey. She could've just said it from inside the room, maybe while they tried to talk to her over a speaker or something.
The outfits must've been made of some stretchy material.
Unstable molecules.
Banshee, like the other kids, was too scared to use his powers at the time.
Havok wasn't. He conveniently had the one power Shaw was immune to. This is somewhat like "why don't they just shoot the Joker?" in that the obvious answer is "well, then that would be the end of the movie".
I assume Xavier shut down his mutant ability so Shaw couldn't absorb the energy.
He didn't imply he shut down his power. My assumption was Magneto did it slowly so Shaw's powers wouldn't protect him. I never completely understood Shaw's powers. Originally the grenade (among other scenes) imply he absorbed "energy" in the form of plasma. Later it seems, as with the bullets and other things, that blunt force doesn't hurt him either. Technically that coin can't hurt him then. I felt like because he moved the coin at a slow, consistent pace, that this caused it to pass through without his powers stopping it. Although as I say, I found Shaw's powers a bit confusing and not really well defined...I didn't really care though, I felt it was just a small plot hole.
Charles said at one point that he was having trouble even holding onto Shaw. I don't think he could've made him move. What I wonder is why didn't he go in with Erik to prevent him from killing Shaw?
As I say, I have this belief that Charles felt like Shaw needed to die, but was unwilling to kill him. Charles seemed to want Erik to change, but if he really felt that Erik was a ticking time bomb he could've wiped his mind. I think he honestly felt sympathy for Erik and quietly understood his desire for revenge and perhaps even thought killing Shaw was a good idea.
 
Why because of no nudity? I've been to strip clubs before and the girls usually come out with their clothes on at first. It worked for what they needed to show.
Yeah, basically. Strip clubs are not PG-13 businesses, so they come off as a little odd in PG-13 movies. Just the nature of the beast though.
 

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