Loganbabe, it's funny that you always have a different interpretation of things compared to the majority.
Why, thank you, I think I'll take that as a compliment.
Well, Mystique's call, 'Mutant and proud!' to Beast was not meant to be derogatory and spiteful.
It was spiteful at
that moment, when I'm pretty sure Hank was much more worried about his friend than with his own appearence or about taking stances on mutanthood. Like Raven should've been, actually.
His self-acceptance was his way of saying 'sorry' to Raven, because he's now blue just like her, and therefore realising that 'this is who he is.'
And why is that instant self-acceptance should be a rule? Raven accepted herself, good for her, but maybe Hank would still have a long way to go, and I see nothing wrong with it. Why should he instantly feel "mutant and proud" just because she was telling him so? Some people fight their whole lives against rejection, simply because they don't believe in themselves, they don't belive they fit society's rules. I don't think those are necessarily weak; it's just that maybe they're ill-equipped to deal with the social pressure. For some people, it's a long struggle and eventually we know that Beast will accept himself. Not at that moment, though, and I don't think Raven helped either.
So you're saying that one line just unhinged that entire development then?
Huh? Where in my comment did I say that it was that line that unhinged her entire development?
Her entire development was weird from the very beginning. Maybe the biggest problem was making her so close to Charles, making them know each other since they were kids, grow together, share with each other what was like to be different. You don't take these things for granted just because a guy you know for like a week tells you you're "perfection" and talk about tigers and not wearing clothes. Come on.
Raven left Charles because he realised that Erik could give what she needed.
Like maybe teaching her to be a cold-blooded assassin?
Charles himself realised he was being selfish and holding her back from what she felt she could fulfill. Since Charles had different ideals from hers.
What were her ideals? She never once talked about them.
And Charles was not holding her back and being selfish. The problem was that he was still treating her as his little sister, the one he first met when she was disguising herself to be accepted and whom he thought would be pretty satisfied to spend the rest of her life doing it so that she could fit; but she wasn't a kid anymore, she was a woman, and suddenly the idea of "adapting to be accepted" wasn't the best for her. He though she was happy and she wasn't - big deal, happens all the time in all the families I know. The proof that he wasn't holding her back is that he accepted her leaving from the moment he sensed it. He didn't try to fight back.
Raven didn't ask him if she could join Erik's. Remember, she went to him first. Charles in fact gave 'permission', so it was okay for her to go. If anything, it made Charles noble and sacrificial.
I guess you never read the other posts in which I said I never had a problem with Raven leaving. I mean, if she wanted to follow a guy who compared her to a tiger and talked about mutants being the better species instead of, I don't know, trying to make her brother understand what she really wanted (she was already walking around all blue by the end of the film, anyway, making it clear to Charles that she didn't want to change back to her "human" form) and still stay by his side at the school because, well, "she was so proud of him" and knew he was a good man and all - well, she was an adult and able to make her own decisions. Now, my problem - and I'm not alone, it's something I've been reading from IMDb to the Hype, hell, there are even cartoon strips about it! - is
why she would leave Charles at that moment, which was obviously the worst moment in his life. She didn't need to stay out of obligation, but maybe because she cared about him? She could always join Erik's band of merry badasses later on, couldn't she? Just to know that her brother was being treated in a hospital, or to be sure he survived - because I guess neither Raven nor Erik had the power to predict the future, and at the point Charles could very well be dying while they teleported away.
Yeah, Charles was indeed pretty noble, because he never told Erik and Raven about his legs. Guess he didn't want to impose another guilty burden on them. Too bad they couldn't show the same consideration.
And if there is one thing I learned from war movies is that under no circumstances you leave behind a wounded companion.
I apologise for being a little frustrated, but what movie were you seeing?
X-Men First Class? It's a bingo!
Actually I saw it again yesterday. You know, what is funny is how some people suppose that their way of seeing things is the right way or the only way. I've always loved forums for the possibility of debate, not conformism - and I'm only interested in debating the things I like. I've never, never
once, gone to any MB or forum just to complain about something I dislike, because it would be a stupid waste of my time. A lot of people get their kicks out of it, though - hence trolls.
Is there really just one way of liking First Class? I wonder. I'm even more frustrated than you, I suppose. Feeling a bit like Raven, actually - not happy in having to adapt to fit.
you've put all these images in my head now lol
and totally illogical that a normal person would suddenly be ok with starting war.
