The Avengers Would anyone have liked Jane Foster in place of Selvig? [Spoilers]

[Dark Raven]

If Natalie Portman hadn't been pregnant, or at least heavily pregnant and had a role in the movie, would people have liked her to have had Stellan Skargaard's role instead? That way she would've figured importantly into the plot without just looking like a love interest. She would've been integral to Loki's plan to use the arc reactor to open the portal and boost the Tesseract from the top of Stark Tower.

I do wish we did get Natalie. Even if she didn't have Selvig's role exactly, both of them could have been captured by Loki and brainwashed into helping him. That would've raised the stakes for Thor even more by putting someone he loves in danger, and would've heightened the suspense, especially if at the end somehow she was hanging off the Stark Tower clinging on for dear life, and Thor or someone else had to try to save her while the Avengers were fighting off the Chitauri. Maybe everytime someone tried to rescue her, the Chitauri got in the way and foiled the rescue attempt.

Also Jane Foster would've been useful when Stark was unconscious after he fell through the portal. Maybe she could've given him the kiss of life, much to Thor's chagrin.

 

[TTFN]

No because it would have taken away from the end of Thor and the fact that he sacrificed his desire to return to her to save a planet he hated. That showed selflessness which is a must for the future King of Asgard. They can always write Selvig explaining to her why he never returned and when he did why he didn't stop by to say hey baby. There is a reason Thor was shown saying goodbye to him at the end before he and Loki left.

I think Jane has an integral part in Thor 2 and they didn't want to mess that up. Feige has known what he wants to do in the sequel since before they were filming TA.

Had Thor not ended the way it did, I would agree with you that between her and Stark, they could do some serious damage in the science aspect of it and depending on what happens in Thor 2, she could have some sort of role in TA 2.

 

[BigThor]

Nope, why should Shield contract her instead of Erik when he's her mentor and she's a target for Loki.

 

[cherokeesam]

No because it would have taken away from the end of Thor and the fact that he sacrificed his desire to return to her to save a planet he hated. That showed selflessness which is a must for the future King of Asgard. They can always write Selvig explaining to her why he never returned and when he did why he didn't stop by to say hey baby. There is a reason Thor was shown saying goodbye to him at the end before he and Loki left.

Planet he hated....? Are you saying he hated Midgard (Earth)....? That's the planet he's *protecting*.....

Nope, why should Shield contract her instead of Erik when he's her mentor and she's a target for Loki.

Agreed on Selvig....Selvig presumably has lots more knowledge as an astrophysicist than Jane. As for Loki, I'm pretty sure that even SHIELD doesn't know about Loki. When he first appears through the portal, they have no clue who he is.

 

[BigThor]

Agreed on Selvig....Selvig presumably has lots more knowledge as an astrophysicist than Jane. As for Loki, I'm pretty sure that even SHIELD doesn't know about Loki. When he first appears through the portal, they have no clue who he is.

I think they knew about Loki, otherwise they wouldn't have known to place Jane under protection.

 

[Dark Raven]

Nope, why should Shield contract her instead of Erik when he's her mentor and she's a target for Loki.

There are any number of ways Loki could've grabbed her. She didn't even need to be at the SHIELD facility. If, instead of Fury explaining to Thor that they moved Jane as soon as Loki grabbed Selvig it happened that he actually did grab her, then he could've gotten her that way. Or she could have easily been visiting Selvig if you don't like that, but I think the first method is more plausible. Loki could've seized her for her scientific knowledge as well as to ruffle Thor's feathers.

I would've liked Natalie, just because... it's Natalie. And also, as I explained in my first post, she would've brought a real element of suspense if her life had been in danger hanging off the Stark Tower with Thor (and others) trying to save her but distracted by the Chitauri. It would've had the same kind of feel as Eliza Dushku stuck on the crane (and then the plane) at the end of True Lies while Arnie is trying to fight off Art Malik. That element of suspense was one thing that was slightly lacking.

And while she would've been a damsel in distress, if they wanted to change the formula slightly, they could even have had Scarlett rescue her, since she was eventually on the Stark Tower after all.

 

[cherokeesam]

I think they knew about Loki, otherwise they wouldn't have known to place Jane under protection.

I'm with DarkRaven on this one: Jane was moved *after* Loki arrived on Earth.

 

[TTFN]

Planet he hated....? Are you saying he hated Midgard (Earth)....? That's the planet he's *protecting*.....


Agreed on Selvig....Selvig presumably has lots more knowledge as an astrophysicist than Jane. As for Loki, I'm pretty sure that even SHIELD doesn't know about Loki. When he first appears through the portal, they have no clue who he is.

I was referring to Jotunheim. Of course I know Thor loves Earth. LOL

Selvig said they were working off the Foster theory. Why would he have any knowledge at all about wormholes or the Tesseract? All they had before Thor got there was a bunch of ideas. He actually thought Jane was pie in the sky with her theory. I don't believe he knows much more, if any more about this in particular than she or any other scientist in their field.

Of course now he does since Loki had him working on it... Probably be his role in Thor 2.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Eh, having Jane instead would've disrupted the perfect balance of characters [story-wise]. Having more story emphasis on Thor than anyone else in the group would've made no sense, since there's really no one main protagonist.

 

[BigThor]

I'm with DarkRaven on this one: Jane was moved *after* Loki arrived on Earth.

Yeah but how would they know whether or not Loki wanted to kill her, it doesn't make sense.

I would've liked Natalie, just because... it's Natalie. And also, as I explained in my first post, she would've brought a real element of suspense if her life had been in danger hanging off the Stark Tower with Thor (and others) trying to save her but distracted by the Chitauri. It would've had the same kind of feel as Eliza Dushku stuck on the crane (and then the plane) at the end of True Lies while Arnie is trying to fight off Art Malik. That element of suspense was one thing that was slightly lacking.

And while she would've been a damsel in distress, if they wanted to change the formula slightly, they could even have had Scarlett rescue her, since she was eventually on the Stark Tower after all.

Meh, Natalie Portman is a bit overrated and she certainly wasn't all that impressive as Jane Foster. It still made more sense from a common sense stand point for Shield to contract Erik instead of her, there was no need for any shoe-horned suspense.

 

[TTFN]

There are any number of ways Loki could've grabbed her. She didn't even need to be at the SHIELD facility. If, instead of Fury explaining to Thor that they moved Jane as soon as Loki grabbed Selvig it happened that he actually did grab her, then he could've gotten her that way. Or she could have easily been visiting Selvig if you don't like that, but I think the first method is more plausible. Loki could've seized her for her scientific knowledge as well as to ruffle Thor's feathers.

I would've liked Natalie, just because... it's Natalie. And also, as I explained in my first post, she would've brought a real element of suspense if her life had been in danger hanging off the Stark Tower with Thor (and others) trying to save her but distracted by the Chitauri. It would've had the same kind of feel as Eliza Dushku stuck on the crane (and then the plane) at the end of True Lies while Arnie is trying to fight off Art Malik. That element of suspense was one thing that was slightly lacking.

And while she would've been a damsel in distress, if they wanted to change the formula slightly, they could even have had Scarlett rescue her, since she was eventually on the Stark Tower after all.

You won't find many of the hardcore fanboys in here agreeing with you about Jane. LOL Lots of people on Twitter went in thinking Natalie was in the movie and pissy when they found out she wasn't. Depends on what forum you're asking. Personally I'm ok with her not being in the movie ONLY because of how Thor ended.

 

[TTFN]

Speaking of Loki and Selvig, anyone know how at the end of Thor we see Loki with him and Fury and the Tesseract at SHIELD but he doesn't take him over until the beginning of TA, after he has already been working with it?

 

[Dark Raven]

You won't find many of the hardcore fanboys in here agreeing with you about Jane. LOL Lots of people on Twitter went in thinking Natalie was in the movie and pissy when they found out she wasn't. Depends on what forum you're asking. Personally I'm ok with her not being in the movie ONLY because of how Thor ended.

Well the only other woman who could've been on the tower to present some suspense would've been Pepper, but she was in a plane (still flying to DC all this time?), and there wouldn't have been that moment with Tony trying to contact her.

Or I suppose they could've had Betty Ross if they decided to bring back Liv Tyler. She could also be there for her scientific knowledge and could have shown up when she found out that Bruce had resurfaced. Loki could've seized her to help with the Tesseract (whether or not she really has any knowledge of that even though she deals with Gamma radiation) and then Hulk could've rescued her, leading to that scene where he ragdolls Loki.

 

[mclay18]

I think she could've worked in Selvig's place, without a problem. Portman had her baby in mid-June 2011, and she could've shot most of her scenes in August or September. But who knows?

The explanation Coulson used was effective, even though I would've loved a throwaway scene of Jane in said NM location working. Have Darcy run in, switch on the TV, and the two watch the fight in NYC.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Totally fine with her not being in the movie. They gave her a very plausible and pleasing reason for not being around. If she was actually a paramedic, I would have been all for seeing her in a cameo type role for this film, but they had Selvig, who was Jane's mentor and that was fine.

 

[BigThor]

You won't find many of the hardcore fanboys in here agreeing with you about Jane. LOL Lots of people on Twitter went in thinking Natalie was in the movie and pissy when they found out she wasn't. Depends on what forum you're asking. Personally I'm ok with her not being in the movie ONLY because of how Thor ended.

Yeah because it actually made sense to use Erik, since he's a far more knowledgable and experienced "astrophysicist".

 

[TTFN]

Well the only other woman who could've been on the tower to present some suspense would've been Pepper, but she was in a plane (still flying to DC all this time?), and there wouldn't have been that moment with Tony trying to contact her.

Or I suppose they could've had Betty Ross if they decided to bring back Liv Tyler. She could also be there for her scientific knowledge and could have shown up when she found out that Bruce had resurfaced. Loki could've seized her to help with the Tesseract (whether or not she really has any knowledge of that even though she deals with Gamma radiation) and then Hulk could've rescued her, leading to that scene where he ragdolls Loki.

I guess what I mean to say is there are some here that hate the thought of a damsel in distress regardless of who it is. It's a staple of comic book heroes and a tale as old as time but...

 

[TTFN]

Yeah because it actually made sense to use Erik, since he's a far more knowledgable and experienced "astrophysicist".

I don't really care if he's her mentor or not. Her idea, her theory, her research, ...her everything. Don't forget Selvig would have had zero knowledge and zero involvement of anything to do with Thor and other realms and energy cubes had she not asked him to come to New Mexico.

But whatever. You won't change my mind any more than I will yours. No need to argue opinions.

 

[third3ye]

Nope. Thor sets it up that Selvig was how Loki tracked the Tesseract's location the entire time, it'd be a stretch to switch from Selvig to Foster at the start of Avengers. Besides trying to squeeze in that forced romance between Hemsworth and Portman would just add more crap to a movie that has enough variables to juggle around. Leave it for Thor 2, hopefully they can get better chemistry between the 2 of them because that love interest was nowhere near as convincing as RDJ-Paltrow or even Evans-Atwell.

 

[TTFN]

Nope. Thor sets it up that Selvig was how Loki tracked the Tesseract's location the entire time, it'd be a stretch to switch from Selving to Foster at the start of Avengers. Besides trying to squeeze in that forced romance between Hemsworth and Portman would just add more crap to a movie that has enough variables to juggle around. Leave it for Thor 2, hopefully they can get better chemistry between the 2 of them because that love interest was nowhere near as convincing as RDJ-Paltrow or even Evans-Atwell.

I love how opinions are stated as facts.

 

[BigThor]

I don't really care if he's her mentor or not. Her idea, her theory, her research, ...her everything. Don't forget Selvig would have had zero knowledge and zero involvement of anything to do with Thor and other realms and energy cubes had she not asked him to come to New Mexico.

But whatever. You won't change my mind any more than I will yours. No need to argue opinions.

It isn't much of argument, just because YOU don't care about him being her mentor doesn't mean it isn't important.

Clearly he knows more about the subject, just because Jane played a bigger part in Thor's situation doesn't mean she had as much general knowledge.

Nope. Thor sets it up that Selvig was how Loki tracked the Tesseract's location the entire time, it'd be a stretch to switch from Selvig to Foster at the start of Avengers.

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[El Payaso]

Portman's Jane Foster is one of the most annoying love interest I've ever had the displeasure to bear in a superhero movie. She looked, sounded and acted like a teenager playing the smart scientist and Odin knows what could have Thor possibly see in her that he fell in love.

Selvig was much better even when he spent the whole movie hypnotized or just off-screen.

 

[BigThor]

Portman's Jane Foster is one of the most annoying love interest I've ever had the displeasure to bear in a superhero movie. She looked, sounded and acted like a teenager playing the smart scientist and Odin knows what could have Thor possibly see in her that he fell in love.

Selvig was much better even when he spent the whole movie hypnotized or just off-screen.

Portman's Jane Foster was pretty annoying at times, but I don't think she was the most annoying superhero love interest.

She was definately more open minded and optimistic than Selvig, but I'm sure he was the one with the most actual knowledge.

 

[jaqua99]

Not only would I have thought Selvig was better, but I would have strongly disliked if Jane was there. No romance in this movie, none.

 

[04nbod]

I just wish they would have told us WHY they hired Selvig and not Jane when it was her theories.

Nope, why should Shield contract her instead of Erik when he's her mentor and she's a target for Loki.

At what point in Thor did you get a sense of Selvig knowing more than Jane? She called him for his opinion because she respects him but Selvig needs it all explained to him. Do you think the guy who taught Hawking physics at uni knows more about black holes than he does?

Meh, Natalie Portman is a bit overrated and she certainly wasn't all that impressive as Jane Foster. It still made more sense from a common sense stand point for Shield to contract Erik instead of her, there was no need for any shoe-horned suspense.

Why? After all, didn't Sheild take all Jane's research and notes in Thor about atmospheric anomolies? They wanted what Jane knew, where does Selvig fit into that?

I know you didn't want her in it but you're reaching. Getting someone other than Foster to work on a device integral to the Foster Theory is nuts.