The Dark Knight Rises Would Clayface ever show up in a live action movie?

Wouldn't want to see Clayface in a Nolan film.
Would much rather he tries Black Mask.


I agree... I think someone like Black Mask or Scarface would fit in much better in Nolan's universe than a clayface/mr. freeze/manbat etc.

but if he did decide to put in a clayface, how would he depict him without destroying his view of "realism"?
 
I said this yesterday to someone---once Nolan leaves, get Guillmero Del Toro or Peter Jackson and bring in fantasy-filled villains like Clayface, Man-Bat, and Mr. Freeze. Then, we'll get the fantasy back in the Batman films. Don't get me wrong I love Nolan's choice of enfusing realism in the D.C. Universe and the Batman films but the only unrealistic thing in "BB" was Scarecrow's fear-serum. Otherwise, everything seemed possible.
 
I said this yesterday to someone---once Nolan leaves, get Guillmero Del Toro or Peter Jackson and bring in fantasy-filled villains like Clayface, Man-Bat, and Mr. Freeze. Then, we'll get the fantasy back in the Batman films. Don't get me wrong I love Nolan's choice of enfusing realism in the D.C. Universe and the Batman films but the only unrealistic thing in "BB" was Scarecrow's fear-serum. Otherwise, everything seemed possible.


Actually, the fear gas didn't bother me as much as the fact there was a weapon powerful enough to vaporize water in sewers but not within human bodies... but I digress..

I also love the realistic take but agree that at some point after Nolan is done, I would love to see some of the less realistic major villains protrayed on film, especially those we haven't seen before
 
maybe clayface already appeared you just didn't look hard enough..
 
It wouldn't fit in Nolan's vision. I'm not saying there aren't superpowered beings, but Nolan doesn't want to make a movie where a major character can shift body shape in clay and mimic other people. It's too sci-fi for him.

Also, people would call it a rip-off of Sandman, who was just in Spider-Man 3.
 
i doubt it.. clayface is probably too blatantly sci-fi/fantasy for Nolan to be interested in..
 
It wouldn't fit in Nolan's vision. I'm not saying there aren't superpowered beings, but Nolan doesn't want to make a movie where a major character can shift body shape in clay and mimic other people. It's too sci-fi for him.

Also, people would call it a rip-off of Sandman, who was just in Spider-Man 3.

So, what if they did, sooner or later we need fantasy villains. Nolan I can't see staying on past movie 3. He says he creates each film to feel like a whole; it has a beginning, middle, and end. I want someone who'll pick up where Nolan left off but in truth bring back the fantasy. Don't make it campy or corny or that **** but create a new world for Batman. We've gone through the campy years (60's, Burton and Schumacher's movies), now we're back to the darker realistic years (the 80's, 90's, and today), now let's go into the dark unrealistic years (Morrison and others). I want each film to be a metamorphasis. I want each film to be it's own entity. After Nolan let's take the films into a new direction; still keep it dark and sinister but also bring in the fantasy elements. Will Bale and the rest return for that kind of Batman? It's hard to say but it'd be very nice to see the fantastical or nightmarish of Batman's rogue gallery.
 
Well I'd like to see Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy done right (two fantastical villains), but could care less about seeing Man-Bat or Clayface. But it won't happen under Nolan. Yes, WB can and may continue the series after Nolan makes BB3, but good luck finding a quality director who wants to follow Nolan up. Also, Bale and the rest of cast and co. will likely leave as they have all emphasized they are doing BB3 if Nolan does it (and most of the crew are Nolan regulars).

BTW I would say Burton's Batman films were dark. Maybe not realistic, but they were surreal nightmarish films.
 
Also, people would call it a rip-off of Sandman, who was just in Spider-Man 3.

I know, which really bugs me, especially considering the original clayface came much earlier.... but anyways, I agree in that you wouldn't be able to see the shapeshifting/body melting clayface in a Nolan film but what about pre-powers Karlo?
 
I'd like to see him in the future, but I'm afraid if he did appear, the general public would think he was a character to copy the Sandman from Spider-Man 3. If he does appear, I'd like to see him in "blob form" as Matt Hagen or the Actor Basil Karlo as pretty much an ordinary person. Karlo would be the most believable if thats what you're looking for.
 
Clayface can work in Nolan's movies...if only he like how he originally was...just a guy in a mask...however me thinks it wouldnt be that appeasing to the fans, but he can still work.
 
Dont know if its been said yet but Jonah and Goyer said theres no chance of seeing clayface in this series.
 
I know, which really bugs me, especially considering the original clayface came much earlier.... but anyways, I agree in that you wouldn't be able to see the shapeshifting/body melting clayface in a Nolan film but what about pre-powers Karlo?

Ah, but the most interesting thing about Clayface is the stuff TAS added in his shapeshifting origin (much like they improved Mr. Freeze). And in defense of Stan Lee, he created Sandman before Clayface became...Clayman if you know what I mean.

But there are a slew of non-fantasy villains to use that could work with The Riddler (maybe too cheesy though), Catwoman, Talia, Mad Hatter, The Ventriliquist and Scarface, etc.

The only character with fantasy elements I could see being toned down and working well in the Nolan rogue gallery is Poison Ivy, though.
 
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Spoilers pertaining to The Dark Knight have been blacked out (but really, if you haven't seen the film, you shouldn't be snooping around the sequel forum yet anyway).

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I've been doing a little bit of thinking since seeing The Dark Knight, and if there is one thing I think everyone can agree on about the future of the current Batman franchise, it's that The Dark Knight brought a certain amount of escalation into the picture that just wasn't there before. With the Joker and Two-Face now introduced into the film series, the gritty realism of Batman Begins has strayed a little from being completely grounded in reality and more and more comic book elements have been introduced into the film - a move made purposefully by the brothers Nolan.

Batman has a wonderful rogues gallery - the finest of any comic book hero (in my personal opinion, alongside Spider-Man and Dick Tracy), but only a handful of said rogues would be 100% compatible with Nolan's reality-based franchise. To compensate for this, certain liberties were taken in Batman Begins - first with Ra's and the Scarecrow, to mold the characters into more believable examples. Following the introduction of the Joker and Two-Face, however, the villains have become more colorful and pulpish. This is best exemplified by Two-Face, I think. Clearly this individual could only exist in a fantasy world (the same can be said, of course, about other elements found in the film, including microwave emitters and even Batman himself - but Two-Face is visually fantastic, simply by nature).

I have seen a lot of discussion on this forum (and on The Dark Knight forum) about Nolan's next move. Where does the story go from here? Who should the villain be and how will Nolan top The Dark Knight?

It is my opinion that one of the logical choices, based upon the given story and what we know from Goyer and Nolan, is Clayface. Granted, there exists a wide variety of origins and interpretations of the Clay-Face character, and many fans aren't likely picking him for Nolan's reality-grounded world, but I think it would be a mistake to overlook him. Firstly, it has been stated time and again that Nolan is not interested in retreading any more of Batman's rogues that have been previously seen on film in previous franchises. That rules out Penguin, Catwoman, the Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Bane (despite a few of them being fan favorites). Obviously there remains, even after that bunch, a laundry list of villains that can be picked from, including Black Mask, Ventriloquist, Killer Croc, Harley Quinn, Firefly, Deadshot, the Mad Hatter, Man-Bat, Hugo Strange, etc.

I would like to parallel the current Batman franchise with the Spider-Man films (and hope that in the process of doing so I'm not ridiculed and flamed :oldrazz: ). The first two Spider-Man films, though clearly fantasy-based, were far more realistic than the third film, which featured Sandman as a hulking monster, Spider-Man and the new Goblin teaming up and having some mid-air hijinx, and, of course, Venom. Regardless if this was a change for the better or worse of the Spider-Man series, it's clear that the world Raimi created has gone more toward the comic book side of things than the realistic side of things. I think introducing Two-Face in The Dark Knight opened the doors to the comic book side of things for Nolan's Batman (and this doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing).

Clayface could be handled as the character was in the Animated Series. He could start out as Basil Karlo, a B-movie, washed-up actor who uses a cream on his face to remain youthful as he desperately tries to maintain his career in the horror film industry. Of course, there is either a freak accident or a run-in with some bad dealers when Karlo doesn't pay up for his drugs (as it was presented in the Animated Series) and the actor becomes the dreaded mud-monster: Clayface (who doesn't necessarily have to be an enormous monster like Sandman was in Spider-Man 3 - but simply a man who appears to be made out of mud).

Throughout the film, Clayface could shape-shift and take on the likeness of a number of previously introduced deceased characters from the Nolan mythos, including Rachael, Thomas Wayne, Ra's, Harvey, etc. - and living characters like Alfred or Gordon - and cause a lot of trouble for Bruce Wayne, Batman, and Gotham, all the while Batman is [BLACKOUT]still being hunted down by the city's police force[/BLACKOUT]. He could even take on the form of Batman and commit further horrific crimes, creating even more distrust for Batman in Gotham. At the conclusion of the film, he could be killed or taken into custody and Batman [BLACKOUT]could be cleared of his (Harvey's) crimes from The Dark Knight and restored as a figure of hope for good people and a symbol of fear for the criminal underworld.[/BLACKOUT]

Not only is Clayface an interesting villain who has yet to see a film incarnation of any kind, but he is a villain who can be both tragic and visually appealing, while at the same time providing a new venue for continuing the story of The Dark Knight, and wrapping up the story arc that Nolan has going by bringing the series full-circle (by way of bringing back Thomas Wayne, Harvey, Ra's, etc.) and [BLACKOUT]vindicating Batman.[/BLACKOUT]

For his appearance, I would like to see a nod to the original Clayface - essentially a man made of soft mud, with the trenchcoat and hat - not a towering, top-heavy freak with crooked teeth like we say in the Animated Series.

clayface2mz3.jpg


Like it, love it, hate it? Thoughts?
 
It's feasable, personally I've always loved Clayface, but he could not be treated as the towering monster more like the Chamellion from Spidey, a simple shape shifter. I like your ideas, not sure if Nolan is even thinking of another movie at this point.
 
I love clayface. I love all the big bad freaks like Croc and Clayfac,e but i dont see them going that route with these movies.
 
I think clayface could work if he is just a villain (maybe his alter ego is an actor) whose calling card is dressing up and using prostheitics to comit crimes of other people
SPOILERS FOR THE PRESTIGE
much like how Nolan hid the fact that Bale's character in The Prestige was a twin, and how they both dressed up like another character.
It could be interesting. Maybe he wears prosthetics to dress up like Wayne and comit a crime. Or even Dent, leading the public to believe that Dent is alive. The trick is he is alive but hes in Arkham or something. The prosthetics aren't 100% realistic, but enough for security camera to believe it. The fact that he uses prostheitcs and comits crimes as public officials of Gotham causes anarchy and is the hot topic on Gotham Tonight, where Mike Engal cracks it all by figuring out that that its all one man (hinting he might be the Riddler). In the end we might find out that the Joker convinced the "the clayface" to commit these crimes to further chaos in Gotham.
Clayface isn't a literal shapeshifter in Nolans universe, instead he is a thespian master of disguise.
 
I think clayface could work if he is just a villain (maybe his alter ego is an actor) whose calling card is dressing up and using prostheitics to comit crimes of other people
SPOILERS FOR THE PRESTIGE
much like how Nolan hid the fact that Bale's character in The Prestige was a twin, and how they both dressed up like another character.
It could be interesting. Maybe he wears prosthetics to dress up like Wayne and comit a crime. Or even Dent, leading the public to believe that Dent is alive. The trick is he is alive but hes in Arkham or something. The prosthetics aren't 100% realistic, but enough for security camera to believe it. The fact that he uses prostheitcs and comits crimes as public officials of Gotham causes anarchy and is the hot topic on Gotham Tonight, where Mike Engal cracks it all by figuring out that that its all one man (hinting he might be the Riddler). In the end we might find out that the Joker convinced the "the clayface" to commit these crimes to further chaos in Gotham.
Clayface isn't a literal shapeshifter in Nolans universe, instead he is a thespian master of disguise.

Pure gold. You win, my friend. You have figured how to make Clayface a Nolan-universe villain and add a twist or two to the plot. Bravo.

I still have to ask the question. What kind of fights/confrontations will Batman have along the way to keep action fans satisfied? I don't see this interpretation of Clayface holding up in terms of fight/action sequences. We would need another villain; a villain who can hold his own against Batman.
 
Note:

Spoilers pertaining to The Dark Knight have been blacked out (but really, if you haven't seen the film, you shouldn't be snooping around the sequel forum yet anyway).

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I've been doing a little bit of thinking since seeing The Dark Knight, and if there is one thing I think everyone can agree on about the future of the current Batman franchise, it's that The Dark Knight brought a certain amount of escalation into the picture that just wasn't there before. With the Joker and Two-Face now introduced into the film series, the gritty realism of Batman Begins has strayed a little from being completely grounded in reality and more and more comic book elements have been introduced into the film - a move made purposefully by the brothers Nolan.

Batman has a wonderful rogues gallery - the finest of any comic book hero (in my personal opinion, alongside Spider-Man and Dick Tracy), but only a handful of said rogues would be 100% compatible with Nolan's reality-based franchise. To compensate for this, certain liberties were taken in Batman Begins - first with Ra's and the Scarecrow, to mold the characters into more believable examples. Following the introduction of the Joker and Two-Face, however, the villains have become more colorful and pulpish. This is best exemplified by Two-Face, I think. Clearly this individual could only exist in a fantasy world (the same can be said, of course, about other elements found in the film, including microwave emitters and even Batman himself - but Two-Face is visually fantastic, simply by nature).

I have seen a lot of discussion on this forum (and on The Dark Knight forum) about Nolan's next move. Where does the story go from here? Who should the villain be and how will Nolan top The Dark Knight?

It is my opinion that one of the logical choices, based upon the given story and what we know from Goyer and Nolan, is Clayface. Granted, there exists a wide variety of origins and interpretations of the Clay-Face character, and many fans aren't likely picking him for Nolan's reality-grounded world, but I think it would be a mistake to overlook him. Firstly, it has been stated time and again that Nolan is not interested in retreading any more of Batman's rogues that have been previously seen on film in previous franchises. That rules out Penguin, Catwoman, the Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Bane (despite a few of them being fan favorites). Obviously there remains, even after that bunch, a laundry list of villains that can be picked from, including Black Mask, Ventriloquist, Killer Croc, Harley Quinn, Firefly, Deadshot, the Mad Hatter, Man-Bat, Hugo Strange, etc.

I would like to parallel the current Batman franchise with the Spider-Man films (and hope that in the process of doing so I'm not ridiculed and flamed :oldrazz: ). The first two Spider-Man films, though clearly fantasy-based, were far more realistic than the third film, which featured Sandman as a hulking monster, Spider-Man and the new Goblin teaming up and having some mid-air hijinx, and, of course, Venom. Regardless if this was a change for the better or worse of the Spider-Man series, it's clear that the world Raimi created has gone more toward the comic book side of things than the realistic side of things. I think introducing Two-Face in The Dark Knight opened the doors to the comic book side of things for Nolan's Batman (and this doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing).

Clayface could be handled as the character was in the Animated Series. He could start out as Basil Karlo, a B-movie, washed-up actor who uses a cream on his face to remain youthful as he desperately tries to maintain his career in the horror film industry. Of course, there is either a freak accident or a run-in with some bad dealers when Karlo doesn't pay up for his drugs (as it was presented in the Animated Series) and the actor becomes the dreaded mud-monster: Clayface (who doesn't necessarily have to be an enormous monster like Sandman was in Spider-Man 3 - but simply a man who appears to be made out of mud).

Throughout the film, Clayface could shape-shift and take on the likeness of a number of previously introduced deceased characters from the Nolan mythos, including Rachael, Thomas Wayne, Ra's, Harvey, etc. - and living characters like Alfred or Gordon - and cause a lot of trouble for Bruce Wayne, Batman, and Gotham, all the while Batman is [blackout]still being hunted down by the city's police force[/blackout]. He could even take on the form of Batman and commit further horrific crimes, creating even more distrust for Batman in Gotham. At the conclusion of the film, he could be killed or taken into custody and Batman [blackout]could be cleared of his (Harvey's) crimes from The Dark Knight and restored as a figure of hope for good people and a symbol of fear for the criminal underworld.[/blackout]

Not only is Clayface an interesting villain who has yet to see a film incarnation of any kind, but he is a villain who can be both tragic and visually appealing, while at the same time providing a new venue for continuing the story of The Dark Knight, and wrapping up the story arc that Nolan has going by bringing the series full-circle (by way of bringing back Thomas Wayne, Harvey, Ra's, etc.) and [blackout]vindicating Batman.[/blackout]

For his appearance, I would like to see a nod to the original Clayface - essentially a man made of soft mud, with the trenchcoat and hat - not a towering, top-heavy freak with crooked teeth like we say in the Animated Series.

clayface2mz3.jpg


Like it, love it, hate it? Thoughts?


not bad, but still the idea of a shape shifter in Nolans world still seems a bit TOO far out....but this certainly is an interesting way to go for the character. You could also keep it alongside the rise of the freaks-say the person Karlo gets his drugs from is Black Mask, muscling in on the trade we know Falcone, Maroni etc previously ran. And having a little bit of theatricality he plants the death mask laced with chemicals on those who cross him-Karlo being the one who survives, has a bad reaction and becomes Clayface as you lay him out. Still you would have to figure why he would have a vendetta against Wayne or why he would impersonate these people...and as discussed elsewhere theres still a chance Two Face might still be viable, if they want to go all Dark Victory on the series.

And Ill throw this in as well-the Joker doesnt need to be recast in the third film, but just alluded to. Make it known the rise of freaks in Gotham is due to his and Batmans example, and have Gordon or someone refer to him being in Arkham, under maximum security and treated with kids gloves-solitary confinement the whole shebang, to which Mr.J seems fairly indifferent. Have Gordon voice his idea that The Joker acts like he could break out anytime he wanted to, therefore keeping his influence and impact on Gotham there and the idea that he can come back anytime
 
Pure gold. You win, my friend. You have figured how to make Clayface a Nolan-universe villain and add a twist or two to the plot. Bravo.

I still have to ask the question. What kind of fights/confrontations will Batman have along the way to keep action fans satisfied? I don't see this interpretation of Clayface holding up in terms of fight/action sequences. We would need another villain; a villain who can hold his own against Batman.

thanks man, i've had the idea of a thespian actor/master of disguise thing for clay-face since Batman Begins, haha. You do raise a great point though, he wouldn't be enough alone. If they could parallel it with a Se7en like story of a serial killer who likes to leave clues, maybe he even convinces the "clayface" to do his dirty work for him. It'll lead up to the Riddler.

ok, ok, ok. Here is my version of the third film (villain/threat wise)....

I really like this idea, in fact, i think this is a great way to cap off the trilogy...

villains
Maybe the villains will be: The Riddler, Clay-face, Two-face and The Joker

synopsis
The movie is in the tone of the Silence of the Lambs, more of a detective mystery (Long Holloween) than the action heavy TDK because the villain isn't about anarchy, just psychological intimidation to the citizens of Gotham and even more so to Gothams finest/public officials. Why? Because he likes the attention, not because he likes chaos. It starts off with murders. Security cameras capture the murders of random citizens all around the city done by city officials and notable public figures (The Mayor, Gordon, even Bruce Wayne). Some of the murders are seen to be done by members of the remaining mafia (who kill off other mob families), this leads to a mob civil war, practically wiping out organized crime in Gotham for good. Each murder scene has a riddle, taunting the police. The GCPD has turned into a frenzy, and with the city against Batman, they have little help to turn to, most of the cops are finding it increasingly hard to trust each other after the events in TDK and even more so after witnesses and cameras capture their own as perps in the murders. They begin demanding answers as the evidence of the murders have leaked out to the GNC, where Mike Engle has soaring ratings on Gotham Tonight by showing the tapes without explanation as to how the station obtained them. The GCPD get furious with the show when it leaks restricted evidence to the public. Batman tries to beat answers out of Engle, Engle says they are sent in the mail with riddles in each package (a sypher like the Zodiacs), after figuring out the cipher, it gives Batman the name of a theatrical actor, Basil Karlo and we find that with the use of waxed prosthetic applications and careful study on the subjects, he is in fact the one behind the murders. He confesses to it all without any motive given. His face is constantly peeled and bruised due to the waxed applications. The GCPD flaunt the capture to the public, trying to ensure the city is safer, headlines in the paper read "CAUGHT: The Clay-Faced Killer". Everything settles down. Then another riddle turns up at the door of the GCPD with a video tape. Before we know it, the murders start again. This time though, the tape left behind shows what looks like Harvey Dent committing a murder of an accused crooked cop, only this Dent has scars across half of his face. He tosses a coin in front of the camera to determine the fate of the officer. Batman and Gordon consider how many officers knew of Dent's specific fate and more importantly, his method of “fair” justice. Who could have leaked it to another 'clay-face killer', the one still leaving the riddles? More importantly, how is it that this clay-face is capable of recreating Dents appearance perfectly (the prosthetic applications from the first clay-face killer were detectably phony at close inspection). Gordon makes a confession to Batman... Dent was only unconscious when he fell, leaving him in a coma. Gordon, keeping it tight lips with the few that knew, placed him under the psych ward at Arkham. Gordon confesses that Dent just woke from the coma a week ago. Bat’s is not happy about the secret. Gordon tells him he couldn’t reveal it to him because he was afraid that Batman would try to get involved with Dent in an attempt to show Harvey a righteous path (and to clear Batman’s own name to the public) and the few loyal cops that knew of Harvey’s existence might turn on Gordon for if they find out he’s still in cahoots with the Dark Knight. At this point Gordon could not gamble with his men’s trust. Batman thinks the coincidence might be too much to ignore, so he confronts Dent at Arkham anyway. They have philosophical discussions on justice, Dent claims he hasn’t left his cell. This is confirmed by his psychiatrist. The tape of Dent murdering the cop leaks out to Gotham Tonight, after the cities martyr is seen in the video murdering an officer in what he calls “the court of true justice”, The city goes nuts. Another clayface killer mocking the cites symbol of hope. The new clayface killer, now called “The Two-Face” cop killer continues to make video tapes of police murders. The killer explains how each officer participated in something corrupt before flipping a coin to determine their fate. Some survive the flip, others don’t. All leak to Gotham Tonight. The survivors have little recollection aside from being bashed on the head unconscious before filming. Each surviving officer has a one letter code written on their chest. Gordon is forced to fire the survivors for the sake of public perception after the very accurate evidence presented by Dent. The city is burning. Gotham’s finest are slowly quitting, the remaining few believe an insider on the force is leaking the evidence to this “fake Dent”. Cops can no longer trust their own, and because of this, Gordon can trust nobody but Batman. The citizens lose hope in almost everything, everyone every night becomes glued to Gotham Tonight when “Harvey Two-Face” demands that the “court session of true justice” as he likes to put it be shown live on Gotham Tonight or else there will be no flip of the coin for a chance for the officers to survive. The show becomes a sick reality program and rating are up. Bruce begins to think that maybe the Joker was right, maybe deep down everyone is like him. Gordon tells Batman that every officer being captured are officers that were tried by the actual Harvey Dent years ago when he was still a front running Internal Affairs officer, and that all of them were not convicted. Batman interrogates the real Dent, but when confronted, he sees more and more of the Harvey he knew. He wants to believe Harvey’s therapy is working. The psychologist continues to disprove the idea that Harvey ever left Arkham, backing it with video evidence. After the next officer survives, Batman takes account the latest symbol and figures out the riddle. It leads back to Engle. Batman finds Engle. Engle confesses. He is the man behind the riddles and the videos, but he is not “The Two-face killer”. Engle is clearly psychotic; he did it all for Gotham’s attention, both on him in the studio, and the mystery he created. And now he has the attention of Batman, who he got the city to hate on his program by persisting a theory that Batman became the Two Face killer, murdering the cops that insisted the city turn to hate him. He presents Batman with a riddle (one I haven’t written yet) and it all comes back to Arkham…

The clues comes together… Engle’s riddle explains everything. We find out that Harvey’s psychiatrist let Harvey out every night to commit the murders. Harvey agreed to leave the riddles on the survivors in return for getting justice on the police force that destroyed his family. The execution might have been done by this “Riddler” (Engle) but its birth came from none other than The Joker. Engle explains that he got an exclusive interview with the Joker after he was captured, The Joker offered him a chance to be infamous. He told him where to find the remaining money he took from the mob and to offer half to Basil Karlo, the clay-face killer, an actor he knew from “back when” who was clinically insane and would do anything to get out of dept. Engle agreed in exchange for the other half and the “exclusives of what was to come”. All it took was an almost Stockholm syndrome- like relationship Dent’s shrink, Harley Quizno had with The Joker. Batman, after hearing this from Engle (we see it in Nolan esc. Flashbacks kind of like The Prestige), Batman rushes to Arkham. He moves to the Jokers cell. He finds Dr. Quizno, hung by the next, with a fresh chiseled smile dressed up with black eyes, white and red paint on her face, like The Joker. “HA HA HA” is smeared everywhere in the cell with her blood. He moves to Dents cell. Dent taunts Batman “I did what was fair. If Gotham wasn’t afraid to live in a city that is truly fair, it wouldn’t have needed you”. Dent explains that Engle offered him a chance out for good but being a man of “justice”, he flipped and lost the toss, so he came back every night. Harvey gives Batman a note left by The Joker addressed to him. It reads of how they are they are two freaks now destined to battle for the sanity of Gotham and now that the city hates both of them, Gotham has nothing left but extinction. Gordon comes too. He states in a public address along with the Mayor that The Batman solved the murders. The city demands answers about the “Two-Face” killer, Gordon says that Harvey has always been dead, and that the killer was another “Clay-face” that has been arrested. The spirit of Gotham resides now on Batman. He is the hero the public should have seen all along. Bruce comes to terms with it and decides he can never hang up the cape.

Themes
Redemption but at a cost. Batman becomes the only thing Gotham trusts, Bruce knows that because of this, he can never quit.

Might need a few fixes but I think a murder mystery like this would be the best way to go. … Sorry for the long post!
 
Dont know if its been said yet but Jonah and Goyer said theres no chance of seeing clayface in this series.



I beleive Rami also said no way will I ever do Venom after Spiderman 2.
 
With the grounded in reality path of Nolan's Batman... I have always wondered if we can see something a little more out there so to speak.

My favorite BTAS villain was Clayface.

Is this something that can even be considered in this franchise version of Batman?
 
I believe Nolan's strength is taking the mythology seriously, not specifically taking the universe and making it "realistic" cause as of yet none of the characters have been portrayed incredibly different. Basically it doesnt matter what the fanboys says about Nolan-verse, Nolan can and will use whoever he wants including Clayface, but if Nolan doesnt want to use someone for any reason than he shouldnt have to. I dont think that would happen anyway because Nolan has always found the villain to fit the themes/story rather than build a story around the villain so it seems.

Think of it this way. If tomorrow Nolan said he's doing Batman 3 with Clayface no one would argue that its not realistic enough with him.
 
If Clayface was in a picture it wouldn't be a bad idea. Actually, if done with the right actor, could be pretty entertaining. I could see Russel Crowe, Hugh Jackman, or even Ben Affleck as Clayface.
 
I think something that strikes a chord between batman and the general public is the realism level of batman and how he is the most "realistic" superhero. In many peoples minds he seems this close to actually maybe existing in real life. I think nolan has exploited that aspect well and why it would very unlikely for the more fantasy villains to pop up for him.
 

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