X-Factor: Forever

[Manic]

Well, Scott never liked the little bastard anyway.

 

[Harlekin]

That looks pretty good, to be honest. If I see it in the store, I'll probably pick it up.

 

[Havok83]

We now return to "Scott Summers Throws a Baby"

Its not that bad considering Nathan has powers. He wouldnt have gotten hurt. Besides Jean wouldnt have let anything happen

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Scott's actually throwing the baby. It seems far more likely that his telekinetic wife is floating the baby over to her.

 

[Manic]

Telekinetic girlfriend. There's no way Jean would even consider marrying Scott at this point in her life.

 

[Dread]

This seems weird. While I like the art, I don't quite understand who this is meant to appeal to. Any fans of this run are likely quite old by now. And even people who are aware of the continuity of the past may not exactly care to revisit it; I mean my heard hurt reading the info-dump provided in this preview, and I already knew most of it.

Still partisan about buying this, overall.

 

[Havok83]

This seems weird. While I like the art, I don't quite understand who this is meant to appeal to. Any fans of this run are likely quite old by now. And even people who are aware of the continuity of the past may not exactly care to revisit it; I mean my heard hurt reading the info-dump provided in this preview, and I already knew most of it.

Still partisan about buying this, overall.

The original X-men appeal to all fans regardless of age. Marvel is always putting out stories featuring them. They've had many ongoings and minis throughout the years. This is just the latest one with a different twist

 

[Manic]

This seems weird. While I like the art, I don't quite understand who this is meant to appeal to. Any fans of this run are likely quite old by now. And even people who are aware of the continuity of the past may not exactly care to revisit it; I mean my heard hurt reading the info-dump provided in this preview, and I already knew most of it.

Still partisan about buying this, overall.

One could say the same thing about Claremont's X-Men Forever ongoing. Simonson's X-Factor run ended in early 1991, and Claremont's X-Men run ended in late 1991.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Claremont's X-Men Forever was a clever way to put the old fart away on a title where his diminishing talent can be hidden.

This, this just feels unnecessary. Even if you throw in this ''OMG! ORIGINAL 5!" factor, there's really no reason for this book to exist.

 

[Havok83]

Claremont's X-Men Forever was a clever way to put the old fart away on a title where his diminishing talent can be hidden.

This, this just feels unnecessary. Even if you throw in this ''OMG! ORIGINAL 5!" factor, there's really no reason for this book to exist.

well unlike X-men Forever, its not an ongoing; only a mini. For a limited issue run, it seems pretty promising for what its setting to accomplsih compared to other disappointed minis, Marvel has put out over the past couple of years

 

[Ikaris-Eternal]

i am one of the "old" readers who was very into this series at the time. i wish walt were still drawing it, though.

 

[Dread]

The original X-men appeal to all fans regardless of age. Marvel is always putting out stories featuring them. They've had many ongoings and minis throughout the years. This is just the latest one with a different twist

How about this as a clever, completely impossible idea; how about writing the founding X-Men in a present story, and finding a way to handle their characters so they're not angsty wretches, insane, borderline facist, or whatnot? I know, I know...impossible. The X-Men are the most butt-clenched franchise Marvel has, incapable of ever having fun or ever having a character do anything that doesn't end in misery. But comics have to start mining THIS CENTURY for stories, not the last.

One could say the same thing about Claremont's X-Men Forever ongoing. Simonson's X-Factor run ended in early 1991, and Claremont's X-Men run ended in late 1991.

I could argue there is more cult demand for more Claremont on X-Men, at least about 10-20k worth, than for L. Simonson on X-FACTOR. But I would agree that there's really no point to the Forever line beyond continuing to milk X-Fans and expand an X-Men line that really, seriously, cannot support aimless spin-offs in terms of sales, and Marvel is being slow to realize it. I mean, they still crank out random Wolverine one shots, and those usually sell at the bottom of the Top 100 these days, but still they come, as if it is 1990 again, and anything with Wolverine's name on it sells in the Top 10.

 

[Havok83]

How about this as a clever, completely impossible idea; how about writing the founding X-Men in a present story, and finding a way to handle their characters so they're not angsty wretches, insane, borderline facist, or whatnot? I know, I know...impossible. The X-Men are the most butt-clenched franchise Marvel has, incapable of ever having fun or ever having a character do anything that doesn't end in misery. But comics have to start mining THIS CENTURY for stories, not the last.
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Kinda hard to do considering one has been dead for years

 

[Manic]

I could argue there is more cult demand for more Claremont on X-Men, at least about 10-20k worth, than for L. Simonson on X-FACTOR.

And that's why X-Men Forever is an ongoing, and X-Factor Forever is just a mini.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't personally have a demand for either. I don't see the point of publishing alternaverse comics with what "would have happened" (as if Claremont or Simonson even remember or are the same writers or even people now that they were back then) if those runs had continued. But more power to Marvel if they manage to sell.

 

[Dread]

Kinda hard to do considering one has been dead for years

Cyclops has been with Frost for years. Why not have a story with the founding four, plus her, on some mission or whatever and go from there?

And that's why X-Men Forever is an ongoing, and X-Factor Forever is just a mini.

I just see little demand for this. I mean I'm sure it will be fun for Simonson, but I seriously believe that Marvel's current strategy is flooding the market and it makes them look hypocritical when they take DC to task for rings. DC doesn't demand $4 an issue on un-promoted material featuring worthless alternate realities or characters no human being alive has heard of nearly as often as Marvel. Marvel SERIOUSLY expected people to flock to pay $4 for the debut issue of DOCTOR VOODOO? In the middle of a recession? You have got to be joking. But I digress.

I don't personally have a demand for either. I don't see the point of publishing alternaverse comics with what "would have happened" (as if Claremont or Simonson even remember or are the same writers or even people now that they were back then) if those runs had continued. But more power to Marvel if they manage to sell.

The problem is they don't. X-MEN FOREVER, compared to some of Claremont's last works such as BIG HERO 6 or EXILES/NEW EXILES, has sold better than some, but keeps sliding. Even at $4 an issue twice a month I don't expect it to last two years.

I'll be stunned if X-FACTOR FOREVER sells past the Top 70. The market doesn't seem to be in the mood for any spin off X-Men projects or even random Wolverine one shots or mini's, and I feel sometimes Marvel has been painfully slow to realize when a strategy has ceased working.

There was a crossover episode of "THE BATMAN/SUPERMAN ADVENTURES" on Kid's WB in the late 90's that had Batgirl and Supergirl teaming up against Livewire, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy. The running joke was Quinn kept using this giant mallet as a blunt weapon, even when it always proved in-effective. But she kept hammering against whatever, an ATM, a wall, Supergirl, like the 10th whack would be any different than the first, or the fifth. Sometimes I see Marvel's strategies as similar. There's this sense of, "it worked once, so it must work again, and if we keep at it in the same way, we'll succeed through sheer will." Which, well, doesn't work.

 

[Havok83]

Cyclops has been with Frost for years. Why not have a story with the founding four, plus her, on some mission or whatever and go from there?

That would be sacrilegious. But really that would not be the original 5. It wouldnt be the same thing. Besides they did that in Civil War.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be lame. The original 5 X-Men are not Scott, Warren, Bobby, Hank, and whomever Scott happens to be banging at the moment. Jean's an integral part of the group, even if she is bland and mostly useless.

 

[Manic]

How is Jean mostly useless?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, back in the day she was just "the girl" in the group. She got a bit better over time, but then the Phoenix stuff took over and just kept running her into the ground, over and over and over again. Whenever Jean shows up now, I just ignore it because I have absolutely zero interest in the Phoenix at this point. They've done literally everything anyone ever wanted to see with the Phoenix and more; find a new schtick for her or just leave her in her grave.

 

[Manic]

Jean had a really good run of not being connected to the Phoenix and being really powerful throughout the 90's. We need that Jean back. Making her the Phoenix again was an incredibly stupid idea whose time had passed.

Morrison!!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes. To all of that.

 

[Havok83]

She has to return with the Phoenix force bc thats where her story left off. With that said, it needs to be about her finally putting it to rest. I dont mind her having the codename and imagery, as long as she's not tied to the cosmic bird

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, she can keep that green and gold costume. It's her only one that looks even remotely good. The others are all horrendous or boring.

 

[Havok83]

Ive always thought Jean's had the luck of having some of the best costumes out of the X-women. The only one I thought was her original X-factor one with teh skullcap, but that was removed after a few issues and they let her hair down