X-Men ‘97 X-Men ‘97 News and Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS!!!!)

[ALittlePush]

I wonder if that giant bird monster that kidnapped Storm is going to be something to do with Shadow King. I just got that vibe when it showed up.

 

[Still Wynning]

I wonder if that giant bird monster that kidnapped Storm is going to be something to do with Shadow King. I just got that vibe when it showed up.

Apparently, it’s a comic book character called The Adversary, and it even calls itself by that name at the very end of the episode. I watched a video that said that it plays a role in the comic arc that this episode and part two is adapting, and it is very tied to Forge and his culture. Hence him saying, “Get away from her, you damn demon!”, right before getting bit and thrown right against the wall by it.

Though, it never took the form of a demonic owl in the comics, which is intriguing. Be interesting to see if the show gives an explanation for why that is.

 

[Lip]

I'll clarify then, although I don't think it was hard to understand. I didn't say the X-Men should only be relegated to a cartoon. For me, this show is how I wanted these characters, action, and stories portrayed since I was a kid reading the comics. I suppose it's possible a live action adaptation could do the same, but it's not as important to me since this show is around.

Yeah. The live action is more than welcome. But this show is keeping me very, very, very well fed. To a point I don't feel starved for a live action as I was a year ago.

Both are different. Both are good. I'm just pretty happy as a fan now.


Edit:

I'm just pretty happy as a fan now.

Correction: This is a lie. I just need a very good game now, then I'll be fine.

 

[Donner]

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I will say, as good of writing as this show has had, I’m a little tired of killing off the love interests of women as some sort of “you’ll be stronger for it!” mentality. Gambit literally says in the episode that the white picket reward isn’t for a scoundrel like him and Nightcrawler reassures him that love is forgiveness and then at the end it’s like “sike! You’re right. No happy ending for you. Die with the thought that the woman you love doesn’t love you back!” I find that needlessly cruel and it’s a trope I’m not too fond of. Killing off the men to develop a woman’s story doesn’t sit right with me.

Especially since the writers are dead set on telling the fans that death is permanent in this show.

/end rant

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Welp, it's another Monday.

Two more days to brace ourselves for the next episode.

 

[BoredGuy]

Doesn't sound good for our boy

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I will say, as good of writing as this show has had, I’m a little tired of killing off the love interests of women as some sort of “you’ll be stronger for it!” mentality. Gambit literally says in the episode that the white picket reward isn’t for a scoundrel like him and Nightcrawler reassures him that love is forgiveness and then at the end it’s like “sike! You’re right. No happy ending for you. Die with the thought that the woman you love doesn’t love you back!” I find that needlessly cruel and it’s a trope I’m not too fond of. Killing off the men to develop a woman’s story doesn’t sit right with me.

Especially since the writers are dead set on telling the fans that death is permanent in this show.

/end rant

In both directions... women have obviously been dealing with it much worse for years, and we've largely accepted now that fridging is uncool, so that doesn't mean now its payback time and poor innocent motherf***in' Gambit has to die for the drama!

 

[Lip]

Welp, it's another Monday.

Two more days to brace ourselves for the next episode.
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God, feels so good be an X-Men fan now. Even this wait is exciting.

Good times, finally.

 

[Lip]

Quote from Head Director, Jake Castorena:

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The decision was never finite, like, 'We're doing this, we're killing so and so and that's it.' This might scare fans, but it changed a bit, it bounced around on who it would be because for sake of story, for sake of pushing character arcs and tying everything in, based on where story trajectory was going, [it] was based on what character it was going to be. But ultimately, obviously, we landed on Gambit and Magneto. We know someone, a.k.a. Rogue, who is, especially in our show, who was very much intertwined with both."

"I implore audiences to ponder and be curious about what that would do to someone of Rogue's caliber and potential, I would say focus less on what we have lost and I would focus on more who or what lies ahead, if that makes sense for you. But ultimately, at the end of the day, Gambit and Magneto are dead and we'll have to watch the series unfold to further understand what those consequences are going to be for not just for our team but for potentially for the rest of the world."

 

[Donner]

Quote from Head Director, Jake Castorena:

Yeah **** him haha

 

[ALittlePush]

Quote from Head Director, Jake Castorena:

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That makes Rogue's actions even worse between the start of the series and episode 5. They literally shoehorned the Magneto/Rogue relationship in to force a love triangle and crashed the Gambit/Rogue relationship all so they could kill Gambit off and go "we'll see how Rogue grows from this". At this point in time, Rogue is a cheating ***** and Gambit deserved so much better than her.

 

[JP]

I love when people use terms like “shoehorned” and “forced” to justify their displeasure.

 

[Spider-Fan]

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That makes Rogue's actions even worse between the start of the series and episode 5. They literally shoehorned the Magneto/Rogue relationship in to force a love triangle and crashed the Gambit/Rogue relationship all so they could kill Gambit off and go "we'll see how Rogue grows from this". At this point in time, Rogue is a cheating ***** and Gambit deserved so much better than her.

TAG YOUR SPOILERS! For movies in general we keep it at a 2 week time frame for spoilers and that's essentially the standard. I already gave you 1 point for doing it another day. I will not provide another warning.

This applies to everyone as well....TAG SPOILERS! It's not just common courtesy, it's a rule. If this becomes a major issue, I will start handing out mandatory vacations.

 

[TheGDBatman]

Finally got around to watching this episode and wow, absolutely gut-wrenching. I share some sentiments that

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Gambit still had lots of story left on the table.... but isn't that true of real life tragedies? That's the cruel truth of tragedy... the victims don't get to have their story end the way it should.

 

[BoredGuy]

Finally got around to watching this episode and wow, absolutely gut-wrenching. I share some sentiments that

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Gambit still had lots of story left on the table.... but isn't that true of real life tragedies? That's the cruel truth of tragedy... the victims don't get to have their story end the way it should.

Don't you be comin in here with your real world facts and logic!

 

[Kane52630]

Welp, it's another Monday.

Two more days to brace ourselves for the next episode.
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[Donner]

Finally got around to watching this episode and wow, absolutely gut-wrenching. I share some sentiments that

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Gambit still had lots of story left on the table.... but isn't that true of real life tragedies? That's the cruel truth of tragedy... the victims don't get to have their story end the way it should.

Yeah and that’s the problem for me.

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I don’t really care for comics teaching me a lesson about how crappy the real world is and how final death is. I’m well aware. Genosha being massacred is enough of a reminder. Killing off favourite characters for the sake of drama is lame.

 

[Bren]

Fantastic episode, after the (to me) slight let down of ep4.

Ignoring a very few actions I personally didn't like, this was a killer episode.

Very conflicted if I would want this permanent (emotions hit harder) or not.

 

[BlackFox]

Im not sure Im ready for more emotional trauma, still dont have the strength to re-watch last weeks episode yet, its far, far too soon. Nice episode this week where they all sit around and drink tea please.

 

[omegamutant]

I just recently finished the episode and it was a roller coaster of emotions lol

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Im still in shock how much they can do in 30 min episodes. All the X-Men episodes have not wasted any minute haha and have been entertaining. I can't wait to see Rogue get revenge and also for the upcoming Storm episodes. Im not particularly upset about losing some characters (Magneto is actually my favorite character) for the rest of the season. I don't know if they have plans to undo the massacre with time travel or keep it canon in this universe but I trust they will eventually do every character justice with more seasons and stories. Marvel Universe is full of different universes and stories where they could easily bring them back.

 

[ALittlePush]

TAG YOUR SPOILERS! For movies in general we keep it at a 2 week time frame for spoilers and that's essentially the standard. I already gave you 1 point for doing it another day. I will not provide another warning.

This applies to everyone as well....TAG SPOILERS! It's not just common courtesy, it's a rule. If this becomes a major issue, I will start handing out mandatory vacations.

Firstly I had no notification or communication from you about any spoiler before the above. Secondly, I didn't know about the 2 week time frame rule. I thought once an episode had aired then it could be freely discussed. Now that I know about the 2 week rule, I'll keep it in mind for the future.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Firstly I had no notification or communication from you about any spoiler before the above. Secondly, I didn't know about the 2 week time frame rule. I thought once an episode had aired then it could be freely discussed. Now that I know about the 2 week rule, I'll keep it in mind for the future.

There should have been a notification sent to you cause I awarded you a warning point. If you didn't receive that, I will submit feedback to see why you didn't. But I did tag a previous post you made and awarded a point. But in general you have been posting here a while going by your join date, it spoiler tagging isn't new to the site.

 

[ALittlePush]

There should have been a notification sent to you cause I awarded you a warning point. If you didn't receive that, I will submit feedback to see why you didn't. But I did tag a previous post you made and awarded a point. But in general you have been posting here a while going by your join date, it spoiler tagging isn't new to the site.

I didn't get any notification. I hadn't posted on here in ages before the last few days. I may have joined back in 2009 but you can see by my post count that I am not a regular poster.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I didn't get any notification. I hadn't posted on here in ages before the last few days. I may have joined back in 2009 but you can see by my post count that I am not a regular poster.

I dont want to derail the thread further, so this will be last post I make here. You can send me a PM in the Conversation section if you want to continue, but even if you have not posted in a whole, you are reading new posts. Several you quoted had tagged spoilers. So the fact that almost everyone else is using them should be a good indicator that you should be as well. So it's not a valid excuse either. Untagged spoilers isn't a violation I have much sympathy for. You had several clues that you should be doing so even if you didn't read the rules page carefully or haven't been here a while. Which again, that applies to everyone. Untagged spoilers isn't one I am going to be terribly sympathetic towards

 

[ALittlePush]

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I just think it's a cop out for the writers to insert the Magneto/Rogue relationship (that didn't exist in the original animated series) purely to create a love triangle situation just to then kill Gambit off without it being resolved between him an Rogue. It makes Rogue look bad. She was my favourite character in the original animated series, she's not in this one.

 

[Arachnerd]

Been catching up to this show since folks have been raving about the recent episode and it's been utterly fantastic. I'm surprised we've gotten something of this high quality considering the MCU's recent subpar output.

In regards to what unfolded in episode 5 and what will follow, and taking into account what the showrunners have said about it, my thoughts are basically this:

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The Genosha genocide is still to this day an important event in the comics which has understandably not been undone, and I highly doubt they'll change things up here. In regards to Cable showing up, that was most likely meant to signify his futility in adverting the massacre and saving his mother, rather than foreshadowing anything regarding time travel related.

Gambit's a goner. He will not be brought back and that's the last we'll see of his character, though I suppose you can theorize that he could be resurrected as Death by Apocalypse sometime in the future like in the comics, which would certainly make for great angst with Rogue, but as of now I don't think they'll head in this direction. I do very much appreciate that Xavier's line to Remy on his death bed has been made more poignant now due to Gambit's sacrifice.

Magneto, on the other hand, is 50/50 for me right now. We know Leech's abilities can downplay other's so there's a sliver of chance that Erik could have survived, so it's just a matter of wait and see for the rest of the season.

Truth be told, I also wasn't much of a fan of the love triangle, but what's done is done.