Sequels X-Men Live-Action TV Show in Development at Fox

[Zarex]

Posted this in an FF thread in response regarding the value of X-Men TV rights. Putting it here as a discussion point:

Fox made the largest streaming rights deal in history in regards to "rerun" content with Netflix on their comic adaptation Gotham. How big? An estimated $1.75 million per episode. That's just for streaming rights. Fox also makes money from advertisers, physical media sales, and VOD. Fox is making more actual profit from Gotham than Sony made on TASM2, a film that grossed over $700 million. There is plenty of money in television right now if you know how to manage the digital rights.


Basically, it may actually make sense to trade FF rights for an X-Men show. If they can make a Gotham-esque streaming deal, that's roughly $38,500,000 dollars per year just from Netflix.

Great point. It is very difficult to make the case that the FF film rights are worth more than the X-Men TV rights given all the bad publicity Trank's reboot has received. If it is offered, FOX should jump on that deal.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It is now confirmed that Marvel controls the television rights. Fox wants to do a show, but they openly acknowledged that a deal will have to be made. They've apparently already had talks with Marvel, and they think the talks went well. Nothing is signed off on yet. It's very likely that Fox will have to give up something if they want to go forward with the show.

and that's why it may not move forward.

 

[Eddie]

and that's why it may not move forward.

Yes, but Fox knew going in that they didn't have the X-Men television rights. A lawsuit established that years ago. That they're still developing a show indicates that they're probably willing to make some sort of deal.

 

[Zarex]

Yes, but Fox knew going in that they didn't have the X-Men television rights. A lawsuit established that years ago. That they're still developing a show indicates that they're probably willing to make some sort of deal.

It certainly sounds as though FOX came to Marvel "hat in hand". They wouldn't be asking for potentially lucrative TV rights if they weren't prepared to give up something of value.

 

[Eddie]

Even if Marvel doesn't get the FF back I'm guessing they'll get something lucrative. Silver Surfer rights for GotG and Infinity War, maybe, or at least the full X-Men merch rights (somewhat similar to the Spidey deal that ultimately led to Marvel making boatloads of cash from Spider-Man films they didn't put a dime into).

 

[marvelrobbins]

Even if Marvel doesn't get the FF back I'm guessing they'll get something lucrative. Silver Surfer rights for GotG and Infinity War, maybe, or at least the full X-Men merch rights (somewhat similar to the Spidey deal that ultimately led to Marvel making boatloads of cash from Spider-Man films they didn't put a dime into).

and fox would be terrable neogater if they agreed to eather.

 

[Zarex]

Even if Marvel doesn't get the FF back I'm guessing they'll get something lucrative. Silver Surfer rights for GotG and Infinity War, maybe, or at least the full X-Men merch rights (somewhat similar to the Spidey deal that ultimately led to Marvel making boatloads of cash from Spider-Man films they didn't put a dime into).

I don't think X-Men merchandise would get it done. From what I've read, mutant merchandise was never a big seller, certainly not at Spidey levels. The lack of weaponry probably limits the appeal.

My guess is the minimum Marvel will agree to is what was requested when the Daredevil rights were near the expiration date - the rights to the Surfer and Galactus.

 

[def28]

and fox would be terrable neogater if they agreed to eather.

No they wouldn't. Fox will make plenty of money on an X-Men tv show.

 

[Eddie]

and fox would be terrable neogater if they agreed to eather.

As I said earlier, Fox is making more from Gotham than Sony made on TASM2. I don't see how getting television rights would be a bad deal for them. Fantastic Four probably won't make much of a profit, especially now that it has major competition (the new Mission Impossible moved to one week before FF).

 

[Zarex]

and fox would be terrable neogater if they agreed to eather.

So Marvel should take nothing and like it? Even though FOX approached them and Marvel has no reason to support their effort to put an X-Men TV show on the air?

 

[Eddie]

So Marvel should take nothing and like it? Even though FOX approached them and Marvel has no reason to support their effort to put an X-Men TV show on the air?

Don't you know? That's just good neogating. Fox is good and pure. Marvel is terrable. Marvel should really just give Fox The Avengers so Fox can show Marvel how it's done.

 

[KDM1986]

I'd be happy to have silver surfer and Galactus in the MCU.

 

[Eddie]

I'd be happy to have silver surfer and Galactus in the MCU.

If any character rights revert, I'd imagine those rights are the minimum Marvel would agree on. Silver Surfer could easily fit into Infinity War, and it'd be nice to have a proper Badoon appearance in a GotG movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

1:The avengers doesn't have anything to do with this discussion
2:Noone knows how the fantastic four will turn out.trading surfer and related characters just for marvel to approve 1 tv show is lopsided deal in Marvel's
favor
3:At same time fox walking away for any cut of X_Men merchandize in exchance for marvel approving 1 tv show is another lopsided deal in marvel's
favor

Fox isn't going to make any deal involving any characters associated with FF till reboot opens.

Now if deal was ontable to trade FF film rights in exchange for X-Men TV and merchandize rights that would be more fair deal.Marvel can put any FF related characters in any film or tv and can sell merchandize for them and fox can do live action show with x related characters and sell merchandize for films and Tv show.

 

[Flint Marko]

No they wouldn't. Fox will make plenty of money on an X-Men tv show.

Far more money than they're going to make on that FF movie.
Seriously, it's a no brainer. Either the FF rights or nothing. I truly hope Marvel squashes this if that isn't the deal.
That being said, if I had to take a guess right now, I'd wager we aren't actually going to ever see an X-men TV show.

 

[Eddie]

Far more money than they're going to make on that FF movie.
Seriously, it's a no brainer. Either the FF rights or nothing. I truly hope Marvel squashes this if that isn't the deal.
That being said, if I had to take a guess right now, I'd wager we aren't actually going to ever see an X-men TV show.

I don't know, man. Fox (the TV network) is going all in on adaptations, remakes, and revivals. They're doing an Archie show (that may even adapt that zombie version of Archie for Halloween episodes), making a show out of Minority Report, and possibly bringing back X-Files.

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't know, man. Fox (the TV network) is going all in on adaptations, remakes, and revivals. They're doing an Archie show (that may even adapt that zombie version of Archie for Halloween episodes), making a show out of Minority Report, and possibly bringing back X-Files.

Interesting, I didn't know all that. But Marvel first has to give the OK, correct?

 

[Eddie]

Interesting, I didn't know all that. But Marvel first has to give the OK, correct?

Yes, and for that Fox will have to make a deal. Marvel will get something out of this if it happens, and I'm pulling for it to be FF film rights. The bare minimum would involve money trading hands, but rights are more valuable to Marvel than cash (unless Fox offered a rather obscene amount of cash). The interesting thing is that negotiations have already begun (in a very early stage). We just don't know what Marvel's asking for.

 

[sleekstereo]

It is now confirmed that Marvel controls the television rights. Fox wants to do a show, but they openly acknowledged that a deal will have to be made. They've apparently already had talks with Marvel, and they think the talks went well. Nothing is signed off on yet. It's very likely that Fox will have to give up something if they want to go forward with the show.

They don't even have to give up characters. They can just agree to give marvel a percentage of profits made from the show, along with rights for merchandising. That alone will make Marvel/Disney happy.

 

[Eddie]

They don't even have to give up characters. They can just agree to give marvel a percentage of profits made from the show, along with rights for merchandising. That alone will make Marvel/Disney happy.

Merchandising would maybe factor in, but partial money from the show likely wouldn't mean anything to Marvel. They're entitled to make an animated X-Men show right now and make 100% of the profits, plus an X-Men show could compete with their ABC programs (ultimately hurting Marvel more than helping). Fox will have to give up more than that. I COULD see shared rights being part of it, though. Things like giving Marvel "shared custody" Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver style, to various cosmic characters and races. I also think any deal will include Marvel stipulating what time slot the X-Men show can air in, or at least what slots it CAN'T air in (namely, the AoS slot).

 

[Lip]

Ok, let's say the Marvel give the ok... what Show you think Fox is doing? I don't think it's a X-Men show at all. I believe Fox will use the X-Men only in the movies. My bets are:

X-Factor (Val Cooper's)
X-Factor Investigation
New Mutants (probably on CW)

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-factor

it would air on fox or FX.

The CW is half owned by WB.Even SUpergirl on CBS makes some sense since it's the other half owner of the CW.Marvel live action shows show up on disney owned ABC.

 

[Eddie]

Ok, let's say the Marvel give the ok... what Show you think Fox is doing? I don't think it's a X-Men show at all. I believe Fox will use the X-Men only in the movies. My bets are:

X-Factor (Val Cooper's)
X-Factor Investigation
New Mutants (probably on CW)

There was a rumor about the show drawing from X-Factor Investigation, IIRC. Other candidates that seem likely to me are, assuming it's in the film continuity:
X-23 (could feature a Jackman guest spot or two, ties into their Wolverine love)
Daken (see above)
X-Force (they never seem to be able to get that movie off the ground, and some members could work fine on a television budget, like Domino)
Alpha Flight IF they have partial rights (this ones tricky, as both the X-verse and the MCU have referenced aspects of Alpha Flight)

If it's not to be set in the X-verse from the films, anything goes. I'd expect something based on an actual X-Men team if it's in its own continuity, though.

 

[sleekstereo]

Merchandising would maybe factor in, but partial money from the show likely wouldn't mean anything to Marvel. They're entitled to make an animated X-Men show right now and make 100% of the profits, plus an X-Men show could compete with their ABC programs (ultimately hurting Marvel more than helping). Fox will have to give up more than that. I COULD see shared rights being part of it, though. Things like giving Marvel "shared custody" Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver style, to various cosmic characters and races. I also think any deal will include Marvel stipulating what time slot the X-Men show can air in, or at least what slots it CAN'T air in (namely, the AoS slot).

There is no way I can see 20th Century Fox agreeing to that. Fox Studios are the ones who want the show, 20th Century Fox gets nothing out of that deal besides losing characters they will want to use in the future.

I said this in the FF thread, Fox Studios will have to make a deal with Marvel. That deal will have to be lucrative to Marvel's bottom line. What that is? I don't know.

 

[def28]

Ok, let's say the Marvel give the ok... what Show you think Fox is doing? I don't think it's a X-Men show at all. I believe Fox will use the X-Men only in the movies. My bets are:

X-Factor (Val Cooper's)
X-Factor Investigation
New Mutants (probably on CW)

PAD's X-Factor, New Mutants, New X-Men (04) or a cast similar to WATX.

There's a slew of characters like Hellion, Quire, Idie, Dust, Elixer, Surge, X-23, Chamber, Blindfold, Armor etc. Who will more then likely not be a major focus of the films anytime soon.

There was a rumor about the show drawing from X-Factor Investigation, IIRC. Other candidates that seem likely to me are, assuming it's in the film continuity:
X-23 (could feature a Jackman guest spot or two, ties into their Wolverine love)
Daken (see above)
X-Force (they never seem to be able to get that movie off the ground, and some members could work fine on a television budget, like Domino)
Alpha Flight IF they have partial rights (this ones tricky, as both the X-verse and the MCU have referenced aspects of Alpha Flight)

If it's not to be set in the X-verse from the films, anything goes. I'd expect something based on an actual X-Men team if it's in its own continuity, though.

I see very little chance of it being X-Force when characters like Deadpool, Cable, Archangel, Psylocke and Wolverine are top members. They will be reserved for film. If Deadpool is a success then X-Force will be a go.