X-Men - Part 1

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nothing about Scott and Emma makes sense. At what point Scott's friends pull him aside and check to see if he's ok. His wife died and he's making out with Emma at her grave. This is the guy who is putting you in life or death situations and he's making questionable decisions. Emma had moved into their bed room immediately
 
Don't forget that the reason they made out on her grave is because Jean psychically pushes them to do so. Scott leaves the X-men out of grief and turns Emma down until Jean intervenes from the future.

What Morisson did was lazy in that he didnt do anything with them. THey barely spent anytime together during his run. She goes on a world tour with Xavier and when she comes back, she finds out about him and Emma. He runs away without actually talking or dealing with their problems and next time he sees her, she's dead. The whole marriage was handled wrong and I would have prefered for some more interaction between the two. There was nevery any investment in them and they were practically treated as if they were single instead of an item.

I agree to an extent. I still find it really interesting how their relationship began. A psychic affair in which Emma dresses up as Dark Phoenix... something no one would have expected in the stagnant franchise before Morrison. It puts Scott under a different light.

And I loved the way Morrison wrote Jean. My favourite interpretation of her character ever. I found her interactions with Cyclops well written when they had them.
 
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I agree to an extent. I still find it really interesting how their relationship began. A psychic affair in which Emma dresses up as Dark Phoenix... something no one would have expected in the stagnant franchise before Morrison. It puts Scott under a different light.

And I loved the way Morrison wrote Jean. My favourite interpretation of her character ever. I found her interactions with Cyclops well written when they had them.
Yeah surprisingly he wrote one of the best Jeans which is ironic considering he killed her off.
 
Don't forget that the reason they made out on her grave is because Jean psychically pushes them to do so. Scott leaves the X-men out of grief and turns Emma down until Jean intervenes from the future.

that is true...however not one of the X-men know this.
 
exactly...we have the reason why...yet no one among the X-men nor Xavier himself questioned it.
In the military if an officer acted the way Scott did he would have been removed from command and been given a psych eval. No one called Scott out on this. They accepted it as if it was normal.
 
I don't think anyone actually saw them making out on the grave. Besides it's not like he bent her over the tombstone. It was a romantic kiss at a pivotal moment in X-Men history.

Scott rebounded with somebody he was falling for anyway, it happens in real life all the time. It's not up to anybody else to question it. If they refuse to accept it, that's normal. Emma had been on the X-Men's side for a long time prior.

The one question that I don't think was answered was who he was going to choose in X-Men #150. Before he could announce it, Jean was killed. I think he was going to end the affair with Emma because he brought it up to her and not Jean.
 
I don't think anyone actually saw them making out on the grave. Besides it's not like he bent her over the tombstone. It was a romantic kiss at a pivotal moment in X-Men history.

Scott rebounded with somebody he was falling for anyway, it happens in real life all the time. It's not up to anybody else to question it. If they refuse to accept it, that's normal. Emma had been on the X-Men's side for a long time prior.

The one question that I don't think was answered was who he was going to choose in X-Men #150. Before he could announce it, Jean was killed. I think he was going to end the affair with Emma because he brought it up to her and not Jean.

Actually for someone who is putting you in potential hazardous situations you want to be damn sure his decision making process is perfect. If someone who's wife has died, is making out with someone else at her grave and the other lady moves in almost immediately...their decision making faculty is called under question.
While it does happen all the time...if it happens to someone in a leadership position they are more than likely removed. Let Michelle Obama die tomorrow and Barack is making out with someone at her grave or brings someone else into the White House immediately after the death and see if no one says anything.
 
runawayboulder makes a good point. Did anyone other than us (the readers) actually see Scott make out with Emma on Jean's grave?

As far as the X-Men know, Scott started a relationship with Emma some point after Jean died.
 
I think the development has actually been okay.

For years, the X-Men lived at Xavier's school (which was no longer a school) as a traditional super hero team.
Eventually, the school opened its doors again as a school and it swelled.
Mutants were overtaking the human population (this was losing the original feel and had to be rectified)
House of M and "No More Mutants" put the X-Men back to their roots as being a small group in the world, but without the anonymity they originally had. They were sort of a safe haven and a super hero team at the same time, akin to Avengers and FF.

Moving them to Utopia fits. It establishes their territory not being in New York, it splits the mutants off, it makes them a super hero group with a base and also still a school for younger mutants to learn to control their powers, but they don't focus on that side so much.

Cyclops has developed tremendously in this time, whether its a development you like or hate. He's become a general thinking of survival for his people. That's his main goal and it's a good direction for him to be taken. If Hope proves to genuinely trigger the slow emergence of mutants again, Cyclops could move towards Xavier's dream again, but right now that's not the focus. I like the new direction of Cyclops being the hardened veteran, though I think having him employ the X-Force hit squad was too much. I don't care for him with Emma and I think Jean's last death was unnecessary and she would have been an excellent character through these past years, providing the moral compass and compassion against Scott's having to make hard decisions.

Wolverine has been horribly lost since they decided to reveal his origins. He's always been on the edge of going too far, but he doesn't. His purpose in X-Men was to take the punishment, but think back in the 90s. Since someone mentioned it, the X-Cutioner's Song. When they're on the moon after a fight, Wolverine's laying on the ground and says "Gimme a minute...punctured a lung." Okay, so he's stabbed, beaten, cut, and punctured a lung. That's gonna need a bit, just hold on. Now he's riddled with bullets and burned half to a skeleton and recovers in a few minutes. They've just taken him too far. They've also focused too much on Wolverine the Black Ops soldier. Yes, Wolverine will kill without hesitation if he feels necessary. He'll kill a whole mess o' ninjas. But he's not a murderer that just hunts down to kill. They've lost the samurai side of Logan and focus on him seeking revenge against anyone who hurts him.

What the X-Men are really missing is this:
When did any of them last go out to a bar? (There was one they regularly went to in the old days near the mansion, I forget the name)
When was the last time they played baseball or basketball?
When were they last seen in a recreational situation, watching a movie?
When did the X-Men last feel like actual people?

When did the X-Men last matter to the Marvel Universe? Spider-Man events might come up in Iron Man or Avengers. When has anything in X-Men last tied in to anything in MU?

And there's the problem. If Wolverine is going to be an Avenger, make him an Avenger, not X-Men x2, solo work, X-23's mentor, Jubilee's guardian, and an Avenger. I realize that a full 12 month story arc can take place over the course of an in-story month or even less, but that's something to consider.

Establish teams and stick to them. In the 90s, I loved X-Men.
X-Men: Blue Team
Uncanny X-Men: Gold Team
Wolverine: Solo adventure/mission occasionally with X-Men involvement (and often Jubilee)

You also had X-Factor, X-Force, Generation X and Excalibur. Six different team books available to sort characters into and you could follow the ones you liked. It worked!

This worked. What didn't work in the 90s was having Spider-Man in 6 or more different titles following 6 different plots or weaving in and out of one another.

I don't think the characters are really stale, I think it's too much attempt to keep drawing things out and sticking to the old. They're trying to reboot without rebooting instead of moving forward (the same thing that Spider-Man ran into, only they genuinely rebooted and are now rehashing old stories instead of moving forward).

Cyclops and Emma. What's the deal? Are they in love or is it just convenient? No talk of marriage and how much is Jean still on his mind?

Wolverine. Despite regaining his memory and past, the writers have made him more of an animal now than he was before. Where's the samurai? Granted, they might work on this in the new ATROCIOUSLY TITLED Wolverine & The X-Men (is that replacing X-Men Legacy?).

Rogue. Enough with the commitment issues and toying with a Magneto/Rogue/Gambit love triangle. We all know Rogue & Gambit are the couple. The fans know it, they want it. Move on. Hook them up, marry them, continue on.

Interlude: Why are comic book writers terrified of love and marriage? Why can we not have a married pair o' super heroes? We have to destroy Jean & Scott having him cheat on her with Emma? We can't write a supporting, loving marriage between MJ and Peter? About the only marriage left in comics is Reed and Sue, though I don't read FF myself. Does love alienate readers? Can they not relate to the difficulties of marriage and the effort it takes to make it work? What, no readers are married? No, it's just more convenient to have them sleep with someone until another story comes along and we can break them up for "drama" to hook them up with someone else.
Anyway...

Magneto/Xavier: They're both on Utopia, but we haven't seen any further interaction between the friends turned enemies turned friends in forever. Where do their ideologies lie? Certainly Prelude to Schism establishes they both see Cyclops as developing to take their place, but what does that mean to them and to their separate views on "the dream"?

Iceman, or a replacement: Who is the team's comic relief? Who is the one that keeps them smiling? There's no real established role for this.

Establish the mysteries and resolve them within 12 issues. During that time, sure, add some new dangling plot threads, but dig into those in due time. Some can be left hanging. I always liked "the third Summers" when it was hinted at and fans speculated on it, but nothing confirmed.

How long did they dangle the Wolverine/Sabertooth are father/son or brothers angle without really closing it? Some plot teases can work as just that: a tease.

The characters aren't boring, it's that the writers, or more likely the PTB at Marvel such as Joe Q, don't want characters to develop, grow, and move forward. They're moving forward with the ongoing story of the X-Men fairly well, but the characters themselves are sort of being kept in limbo. It's like you have a plot that's moving forward while characters keep standing still.

And just since others have mentioned it:
Personally, I hate Grant Morrison's run and everything he did with the X-Men. The comic that inspired the movie became the comic mimicking the movie and went on to tell us Xavier was a murderer before he was born, Cyclops is cheating on the woman he's loved since we met the X-Men, and I won't forgive him for giving me Beak or Kid Omega, both of whom I hated. I didn't like them when I was reading those books and I don't like them looking back on them. The "Magneto was Right" storyline was interesting, but having Magneto decapitated? You know that's not going to stick around and it makes it hard to address. So we got the imposter Magneto and Xorn mess out of it down the road
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I agree 100% of what you said. It's sad (as a Scott & Jean fan) to see Marvel killing her off yet again, and despite the fact that these two had been into each other since the first X-Men comic & even gotten married later, Quesada and the rest of the editors seemed to want to separate them and not even have Scott think about Jean from time to time. And as an X-Men fan, I don't think the team feels like a family like it once did; they are just cold and business-like.
 
runawayboulder makes a good point. Did anyone other than us (the readers) actually see Scott make out with Emma on Jean's grave?

As far as the X-Men know, Scott started a relationship with Emma some point after Jean died.

agreed maybe no one saw it.....however with the relationship thing...the X-men are a family and are his friends...someone should have pulled him aside....Xavier most definitely should have
 
agreed maybe no one saw it.....however with the relationship thing...the X-men are a family and are his friends...someone should have pulled him aside....Xavier most definitely should have

Logan did. He did it tactlessly, but he did it.

Also, as has been pointed out by fans and confirmed by the editors, the X-Men are no longer a family.
 
Logan did. He did it tactlessly, but he did it.

Also, as has been pointed out by fans and confirmed by the editors, the X-Men are no longer a family.

at that time they still were...and I think the only other one to not like it was Rachel
 
Kitty didn't like it in Astonishing X-Men. But she mostly just didn't like Emma. She seemed to treat the relationship itself like she had this crazy idea that Scott's a grown-ass man who can make his own decisions. It was weird.
 
Kitty hated it because of how she first met Frost, it was traumatizing as a teenager. Logan and Rachel were both of the agreement that it was too soon. Like I said before, they have no right to stop it but they have every right to disagree with it.
 
Rachel only hated the relationship because it meant there was no chance for another version of her to be born in that timeline.
 
Kitty didn't like it in Astonishing X-Men. But she mostly just didn't like Emma. She seemed to treat the relationship itself like she had this crazy idea that Scott's a grown-ass man who can make his own decisions. It was weird.

yes he can make his own decisions...but when his decisions also mean life and death for his team mates its another thing. Its why people always call for a politician to quit after an adultry claim is made. Its not because they are prudes. Its because it shows a lack of decision making ability.

I had a similar situation happen during my time in the US Navy. I had a Captain who was cheating on his wife and when it came out he was relived of command.
 
Kitty hated it because of how she first met Frost, it was traumatizing as a teenager. Logan and Rachel were both of the agreement that it was too soon. Like I said before, they have no right to stop it but they have every right to disagree with it.

no one had a right to stop it...but I think he shouldnt have led the X-men until he got evaluated
 
yes he can make his own decisions...but when his decisions also mean life and death for his team mates its another thing. Its why people always call for a politician to quit after an adultry claim is made. Its not because they are prudes. Its because it shows a lack of decision making ability.
Yet plenty of politicians--some of them among the most notable leaders in history--still keep getting caught in adulterous relationships. I mean, if JFK could successfully get us through the Bay of Pigs while f***ing Marilyn Monroe behind Jackie O's back, I think Scott can lead mutantkind while engaged in a mature, stable, long-term relationship whose beginning happened to overlap with his marriage to Jean. Adultery is not a big thing in today's world. People just like to put on a show about it to feign moral superiority.
 
If no one questioned Scott's decision making skills back when he formed X-Factor, they sure as hell weren't going to do it after Jean died. When he formed X-Factor, he was cheating on his wife and abandoning his baby.
 
If no one questioned Scott's decision making skills back when he formed X-Factor, they sure as hell weren't going to do it after Jean died. When he formed X-Factor, he was cheating on his wife and abandoning his baby.

well to be honest Angel put X-Factor together and Jean and Scott didnt date during this time..nor did they start immediately after Madelynn died during Inferno....if I remember correctly they didnt get back together until the Blue and Gold era
 
"Hey guys, be sure not to tell Jean that I'm married with a kid or anything." He might as well have been cheating. I mean, he technically didn't touch Emma while Jean was alive either.
 
People just like to put on a show about it to feign moral superiority.

Im not debating the moral right or wrongness of it. Scott's actions called into question his decision making abilities.
I dont know maybe I'm a little more sensitive to it because in the military a commander who commits adultery is instantly removed from command. Or maybe I just wanted to see his friends pull him aside to make sure he was alright...I mean these are the same people that held a secret meeting when Jean decided to start calling herself Phoenix.
 
Because fire was starting to shoot out of her eyes when she used her powers too! There were actual grounds for concern there. But a man of power straying sexually? That's as common as breathing these days, so to pull Scott aside for it and question his decision-making abilities would be kind of ridiculous.
 
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