X-Men - Part 6

[BoredGuy]

Aaron wrote her well in WatXM, and she was decent in the all female X-Men title
but nobody has really nailed the hook for her

You'd think the "mutant hunting hound from a dystopian future" thing would be a good hook, but in the world of X-Men that's an unfortunately/hilariously normal thing

 

[psylockolussus]

To me, she isn't just that striking or interesting compare to Psylocke, Emma Frost, Polaris and even M. Like the other mutants that came from an alternate universe like X-Man (Nate Grey) and Bishop are way more interesting than her, in my opinion. But I don't dislike her, she's just okay. But she's lacking that star power and it also doesn't help that she lacks appearances in the other media platforms.

 

[JewishHobbit]

In my opinion Emma Frost NEVER had star power, but she was shoved so far down our throats after Jean died that people kinda forgot that and just assumed she's a star. I never really felt there was anything likable about her on panel or off... unless you like boobs I guess. She has boobs.

I'll take Rachel over Emma 99 times out of 10 (yes, THAT many out of 10).

I think Rachel's better than M and comparable to Polaris when she's written well. Psylocke is probably better though, I agree.

 

[def28]

Prior to AvX, I think Emma had been written overall more complex then Jean that decade.

Like anything it depends who's writing her. Astonishing X-Men Emma is ****ing amazing. She's commanding but still empathetic. I like her alot in Morrion's run as well, though I know that run is not the most popular with fans. She was cool in Legacy and even in the Animated versions the last decade Emma has taken over lead female quite well imo.

I always wanted to see her behind the scenes of an X-Force team vs Selene. Her darkside would suit that team well.

As for Rachel I've always liked her and thought she was great in WATX.

 

[Mad Ones]

Morrison and Whedon Emma was something else.

 

[psylockolussus]

In my opinion Emma Frost NEVER had star power, but she was shoved so far down our throats after Jean died that people kinda forgot that and just assumed she's a star. I never really felt there was anything likable about her on panel or off... unless you like boobs I guess. She has boobs.

She actually has. star power. Studios/producers decided to include her in movies, cartoons and videogames. And I know people who don't read X-Men comics that liked Emma Frost. And outside of the comics world, she's pretty popular or not completely unknown.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm still bitter over Morrison's New X-Men... so I refuse to believe that any of you are talking sense. Fingers in my ears. neenerneenerneener.

 

[Mad Ones]

Morrison's New X-Men is probably the smartest run in its history and really tapped into the X-men's potential. It was family drama + politics at its finest.

 

[Havok83]

It was alright till the ending when he irrevovacably changed the X-men for the worst

 

[spideyboy_1111]

In my opinion Emma Frost NEVER had star power, but she was shoved so far down our throats after Jean died that people kinda forgot that and just assumed she's a star. I never really felt there was anything likable about her on panel or off... unless you like boobs I guess. She has boobs.

I'll take Rachel over Emma 99 times out of 10 (yes, THAT many out of 10).

I think Rachel's better than M and comparable to Polaris when she's written well. Psylocke is probably better though, I agree.

Astonishing's run with Emma was beyond fantastic. I mean Emma is at her best with someone like Kitty Pryde playing off her as a slight antagonist and calling her out.

That's why i love emma. but she's pretty boring when she doesn't have someone testing her.

 

[Havok83]

Astonishing's run with Emma was beyond fantastic. I mean Emma is at her best with someone like Kitty Pryde playing off her as a slight antagonist and calling her out.

That's why i love emma. but she's pretty boring when she doesn't have someone testing her.

The problem with Emma in the X-men is that no one did this outside of Kitty and Rachel. Psylocke had one issue of snark when she returned but that was it. Everyone else accepted her and they were a-okay with her even though she went around being a mega b-tch for no reason. Emma literally slept her way to the top and acted like she ran the X-men and it was jarring that she wasnt called out more and for the most part allowed to walk all over the rest of the team. I was bitter with what she did to Havok and his team during Milligan's run, but it was par for the course

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The problem with Emma in the X-men is that no one did this outside of Kitty and Rachel. Psylocke had one issue of snark when she returned but that was it. Everyone else accepted her and they were a-okay with her even though she went around being a mega b-tch for no reason. Emma literally slept her way to the top and acted like she ran the X-men and it was jarring that she wasnt called out more and for the most part allowed to walk all over the rest of the team. I was bitter with what she did to Havok and his team during Milligan's run, but it was par for the course

agrees, and that's why she falls flat most of the time.. she's not enjoyable unless she's being catty with someone who can play off her and call her out. Cyclops is her lap dog, Beast is not the kinda guy to do that... so i would have preferred someone like Storm do that often as well. Gambit and Rogue especially.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I can honestly say I've hated Emma every issue since New X-Men. While it was a good line, I even hated the Kitty/Emma exchange at the end of Astonishing when she said she was Astonished. It was a great line, but coming from Emma it felt like Kitty had somehow earned Emma's respect despite the fact that Kitty has never had to earn her respect in the slightest. It should have been the other way around.

X-Men defined my Comic Book fandom for decades. It all fell away with New X-Men and has steadily declined since then and Emma has been a big part of that.

 

[Havok83]

The timing of discussion is uncanny (pun intended) bc Im making way way through the early issues of the X-men now and Emma was the closest thing Kitty had to a nemesis back then. She was the first supervillian Kitty faced and she made a point of constantly reappearing to torment and torture Kitty. Whether it was kidnapping her, going after her friends to get closes to Kitty...I dont get what her obsession with the little girl was. You can only imagine as a 13 year old, she was traumatized by that. She wasnt around the X-men when Emma reformed with Gen X and later on New X-men, so I think one thing Whedon got right was the resentment and distrust Kitty had for her. The hate was real, personal and she was 100% justified for it

Kitty probably waited 10 years to do that

 

[JewishHobbit]

Okay correction... I like Emma in THAT scene

 

[Sithborg]

So, whose great idea was it to let Land draw the Hellfire Club?

 

[psylockolussus]

November 2016 solicitations!
All-New X-Men #15
All-New X-Men Annual
Extraordinary X-Men #16
Uncanny X-Men #15
Uncanny X-Men Annual
Death of X #3
Death of X #4
IVX #0

[blackout]And Elixir is alive in Uncanny X-Men Annual! [/blackout]

 

[Havok83]

November 2016 solicitations!
All-New X-Men #15
All-New X-Men Annual
Extraordinary X-Men #16
Uncanny X-Men #15
Uncanny X-Men Annual
Death of X #3
Death of X #4
IVX #0

[blackout]And Elixir is alive in Uncanny X-Men Annual! [/blackout]

I just read [BLACKOUT]his death[/BLACKOUT] and was NOT happy.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, that one seemed like it had a bit of an obvious out.

 

[Mad Ones]

Maybe they'll actually do something with him now.

 

[psylockolussus]

Marvel completely dropped the ball with those New X-Men (minus X-23), I loved that series . They didn't give New X-Men a proper final issue. Then it was replaced by the mediocre Young X-Men. After that was canceled, they just appeared sporadically. Then more new mutants came after AvX and that didn't help them.

 

[Havok83]

I never liked them. Theres a few individual characters but as a group, they didnt do it for me. There was way too many of them and everything about them was too inconsistent to care. I really feel the big problem is that they lacked an identity. First they were New Mutants then New X-men Academy X, then New X-men, then Young X-men, then lingered around doing nothing before becoming X-men Legacy trainees. They were introduced 15 years ago around Morrison's run. How the hell are they still students? They've actually regressed in characterization bc they were practically X-men on Utopia under Cyclops. The original New Mutants and Gen X after them had better transitions from teens to young adults and I felt like I knew those groups and what they stood for. The New X-men overall are a mess.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I loved that generation, and they were just hitting their stride when the New X-Men book got canceled. While House of M did no favors to the X-Men it really set the tone for that generation of students. Unfortunately relaunch-happy Marvel killed them by relaunching the book and changing the roster. Yes, there were a lot of students in that generation, but the core team had finally come to fruition just prior to Messiah Complex. That relaunch and roster change killed all momentum for that generation of students. Sales tanked in comparison between New and Young, and then Marvel does nothing with the cast afterwords.

I mean, Hellion was on track to be the next Cyclops/Cannonball/Chamber type of student character (though they dropped the ball on Chamber too) and could have even been interesting going villain when he met with Magneto. Possibly the Jason Todd of the X-Men world. All those interesting story lines just dropped and now he's a whiny kid who shows up occasionally.

Anole and Rockslide were primed to be genuine breakout stars and X-Men of the future. Mercury could have become a Polaris level character.

God... I still get irritated when I think of that generation. Even more so than my favorite era: Generation X. Because there was just SO much wasted potential that was so quickly discarded. Generation X has a staying alive problem... but the New X-Men (while also having a staying alive problem) is widely just ignored.


Note: I will say this though... Young X-Men had one of my favorite moments of that entire generation. Goofball Rockslide going nuts on Pierce after Wolfcub's death and then his sobbing on Cyclops' shoulder due to how all his friends kept dying. That one got me something fierce.

 

[psylockolussus]

They only needed to focus on Surge, Mercury, Elixir, Dust, Rockslide, Anole and Hellion along with Omega Kid and the Cuckoos. The rest like Prodigy, Bling, Loa, Trance, No-Girl, Blindfold can remain as third-tier characters. Though I did like when the other X-books gave those characters something to do. But then Avx came, and we got Goldballs, Eva Bell, Triage, Genesis, Sprite and I just felt like they could have used some of the X-books to develop the New X-Men more. Like at least one of them other than X-23, should have been a proper member of the X-Men now. Even Pixie and Armor got to join the main X-Men.

 

[JewishHobbit]

They only needed to focus on Surge, Mercury, Elixir, Dust, Rockslide, Anole and Hellion along with Omega Kid and the Cuckoos. The rest like Prodigy, Bling, Loa, Trance, No-Girl, Blindfold can remain as third-tier characters. Though I did like when the other X-books gave those characters something to do.

I only disagree with Prodigy. While he was my favorite character of that generation, I honestly feel that he should have remained a focus character but ultimately die to push Hellion into being the hero and leader that his potential showed.

But then Avx came, and we got Goldballs, Eva Bell, Triage, Genesis, Sprite and I just felt like they could have used some of the X-books to develop the New X-Men more. Like at least one of them other than X-23, should have been a proper member of the X-Men now. Even Pixie and Armor got to join the main X-Men.

I agree that that generation was pointless. Nowadays I'm glad we have Eva Bell (who needs to come back) and Genesis, but the rest of those kids were pointless. I'll add the Generation Hope era students as well. Some of them were okay, but overall that was a time that would have been best spent building up the New X-Men kids.

But I actually include Pixie in with those New X-Men students who needed the focus. She became part of that core group prior to Messiah Complex the same time Anole did. I was glad she got the focus, and I would like her to return as well. I never really did care about Armor. I wouldn't' mind her as a Wolverine sidekick though. She could have been that generation's Kitty Pryde or Jubilee. But her sidekick potential disappeared after Whedon's Astonishing X-Men.