Sequels X-Men Prequel?

[L0ngsh0t]

"... SOME of my first students..." --Professor X.

They clearly stated that there were more than three or four students.



We haven't seen Cyclops Jean or Storm star in anything. It sounds like you just want to see Iceman and Wolverine. Which is fine, but your other reasons seem hollow.



Morlocks-- I didn't see the morlocks in X3. You saw Callisto... doesn't mean she, or the morlocks haven't met the X-Men before.

Sentinels -- If they're in the danger room, as has been implied, then they would HAVE to have been met before...

Sinister -- Why would the mention Sinister again after they encountered him? Did they mention Sabertooth and Toad in X2? And while Sinister is insiduous, I don't think most would describe him as a powerhouse.

Gambit -- As you realize, there's no reason not to have Gambit in a prequel...

Magneto's Children -- There are, alas, far too many fathers who do not keep their children, ESPECIALLY their adult children, by their side.



Interesting... I didn't like X1 or X2 that much either (I just like the comics characters that they SHOULD be based on). I tend to think a prequel could redeem the franchise, honestly... provide it with a new, stronger foundation... especially since a lot of people did like X1 and X2, getting a remake is extremely unlikely...

well here, let's talk about this...becuase it sounds like nether of us are to keen on the first, if not both of the xmen movies...

ok i understand xavier implies that there where more xmen, but the question i raise is, which xmen are there...i mean of course you could do vanisher and such...but your core xmen, the xmen like a Colossus, or Iceman or Nightcrawler, who have been shown, but are in serious need of more screen time(considering all three of them basically are in 1 movie, i know iceman has been in all three, but he will only "be" iceman in 1 movie)
like there are cool mutants that they could do, but they are so limited, where as if they did a begins, they can do all of there cool and famous mutants right

quickie here 1 mutant they could in a prequel would be banshee and that would be cool in my opinion get one of the bondocks saints lol that would be sweet

I don't know how much i like that Gambit idea, i think it's terrible, Gambit is a newer mutant, most people recognize him as the scoundrel hero, but incredibley loyal, there's no way he would leave...i'm not huge on him as a bad guy ether, i would rather have the fact that he was once sinister's dog be like a rumor amognst the xmen and he could redeem himself in the end or something

i would think sinister is a powerhouse villan, it's different then Magneto or Apacolypse being powerhouse performer, he works behind the scenes doing experiments, and messing with people and ****, but he is every bit as dangerous as Magneto and Apacolypse

but he created Cable the one mutant who can kill Apacolypse, and he is brilliantly mad too, i think he's every bit as dangerous

i don't want an only Iceman and Wolverine movie, but what i don't want is X1 again...only Cyclops and Jean, and Storm, i want to see more of them, but not only them, and that is really all they will be showing

now let me ask you one more question...

you think a prequel could redeem the franchise...but where will it go from there? it will lead into x1, or a cramped for time sequel...

but a Begins...a Begins, we can start the franchise right again, team aspect, a team aspect is what i want, they have always worked as a team in the comics, and TAS but these movies have gotten so character based (which is important, an can be adressed) but yeah, you can go on from there, where as, with a prequel, you go no where but X1

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, it's too soon for a 'Begins'... so a prequel would have to lead into X1. That still gives plenty of scope for other characters, But it rules out Iceman, Colossus. Nightcrawler, Rogue and Wolverine.

It definitely allows for Beast, Cyclops, Jean and Storm, for Havok and Polaris, Banshee, Magneto and other Brotherhood members such as Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, Unus, Vanisher or Astra (both teleporters), Blob, Shadow King, Sinister....

There is plenty of scope for characters. The only disadvantage is that the core X-Men are the ones getting a prominent display in X3.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

well i think the other disatvantage is too, how many Magneto movies do we really need? He is my favorite villan in pop culture but even star wars went 2 movies with out there most popular villan

yeah i wanna see some of the other baddies who are after world domination, it would be two totally different twists if in one movie you got Sinsiter (who is trying to create a race of super species) and then Apacolypse (who on several different occasions has done all he could to take over the world)

just my thing, and GL1 my goal is to convince you on this begins idea (X-Maniac i agree it is about 8-10 years down the road, which is why i would prefer an X4-X5 before then over a prequel) But GL1 you said you aren't that big of fan of the first two movies, nether am i, the main reason is, is because of the restrictions Bryan Singer put of the X-universe, and how completely limited the X-men would be if you where to go back before then...where as in a begins, we can go back to the start, and create the univerese right with what ever xmen we want, and there is no limitations

its just, we are finally going to see an ice up, a sentinal (which are going to be made for the first time in x3) a Morlock (the guys you see in rags in the trailer) Pyro..we are finally going to see the stuff that makes X-men great, diversity, there is the most stuff going on in xmen comics then any other comic, and through the first two movies that hasn't been the case, i am hoping x3 goes that way, and the more mutants they get the bigger the stories get

 

[FieryBalrog]

Genious. Great finds, and while Olivia Wilde isn't as spot on as the first two, I'd buy her as college-age mutant.

Jessica Lucas is just beautiful...

Here are my humble offerings

Joseph Ashton for John Proudstar, Thunderbird (a martyr character in my version)

James Marsters for Eric Lensherr Magneto

I would actually keep Stewart as Xavier, because I think he can pass for forty... and I'd probably have some young up and comers as the villainous til the last moment Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch... with a plot involving nothing short of the "legacy virus"

I like your casting choices... originally I thought Olivia Wilde looked to exotic for Jean... but after googling her, she looks much more like the part in her regular pictures.

 

[GL1]

I like your casting choices... originally I thought Olivia Wilde looked to exotic for Jean... but after googling her, she looks much more like the part in her regular pictures.

Wow. That is pretty... ahem... uncanny. Her with red hair gives me chills. I wonder if the guys they're having play young Xavier in X3 will be available... himmm...

Side issue... out of curiosity, who would you suggest as a young Gambit... I know the casting has been done to death, but I'd be interested to hear your take on it...



And as for my dear friend Longshot... we agree on so much and yet...

Core X-Men-- Ah, I see. I consider the core X-Men to be: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, and, unfortunately Wolverine. Those are the 'big' names to me. While there are certainly a good 16 X-Men, including Colossus, Iceman and Nightcrawler with large and enduring popularity, the X-Men aren't incomlete without them, in my eyes.

Gambit-- He's left the X-Men before. Multiple times I beleive.

Sinister-- He's dangerous, but he's not considered a 'powerhouse.' He doesn't destroy large amounts of property and therefore, its VERY possible for the X-Men to encounter him, or his creations without it having to come up forever.

But let us press towards the heart of the matter.

i want to see more of them, but not only them, and that is really all they will be showing

Again, recall Banshee, Beast, Dazzler, Longshot, Mimic, Forge, any New Mutants, and any new X3 characters that are do not say "This is my first time meeting the X-Men!" in the movie. Also note that Sinister is available for use in tandem with both Sabertooth and Gambit. The Sentinels are used in the danger room, suggesting the X-Men have run into at least one of them before. Also note that Bobby Drake could be at the school from a relatively young age.

There are certainly certain fan favorites such as Nightcrawler and Colossus would be excluded from a prequel, however, we are hardly at a shortage of possible characters and plots.

But GL1 you said you aren't that big of fan of the first two movies, nether am i, the main reason is, is because of the restrictions Bryan Singer put of the X-universe, and how completely limited the X-men would be if you where to go back before then...where as in a begins, we can go back to the start, and create the univerese right with what ever xmen we want, and there is no limitations

And here is the heart of the matter. You consider the X-movieverse "limited." I, on the other hand consider it underdeveloped and ludicrisly wolverine-centric. I have no problem, watching, making and enjoying a movie about 'low powered' X-Men such as a teenage Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Storm, Proudstar and Gambit.

you think a prequel could redeem the franchise...but where will it go from there? it will lead into x1, or a cramped for time sequel...

The prequel, if successful (well made, well marketed, well received), could, in theory spawn a second and third prequel movie, a prequel triology following, instead of Magneto's rise to national terrorism, Mr Sinister's long planned attempt to awaken the deadly and undefeatable Apocalypse. From there, it could, turn into a successful primetime television series, or be flip into spinoff property such as X-Factor or New Mutants... or, should someome highly ambitious come along, inspire X4, X5 and X6.

I see a prequel as opening up options, you see a prequel as being limited in what it can accomplish. My goals include seeing a true team movie, with well developed characters strongly inspired by their comic counterparts, and those goals do not require changing the present continuity. Simply adding to it. Now if your goals include not only these but seeing Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus or Iced Up Iceman, then a prequel wouldn't be enough for you, I'm sure. Likewise, if you're looking to see high powerlevels from the likes of Rogue, Iceman, Angel and their villains, then a prequel would be completely worthless to you. Since high powerlevels and those specific characters who are introduced in X2 as newbies are not my priority, I have no desire to see a 'begins.' I understand why you want to, but I cannot, in honesty, speak for or against it. I am simply indifferent to the factors that require a 'begins.'

 

[L0ngsh0t]

i think you are going a bit too far with all of thise

they where so bad at fighting in X1 that it is going to be tough to believe that the fighting gets the amount better it needs(for movie purposes) to make money...

you can't say sinister was first...more then half of all of sinisters storylines are Phoenix/Jean Grey related, it would ether be not the best sinister storyline you could do, or not be the best sinister you could do...

fact is there are a tone of restrictions on a prequel what trilogy do u think they willl do, what storyline fits the bill, nothing, and then they will be completley taking the franchise to complete liberty, and doing whatever they want with it...i just don't ****ing get it, what do you expect to see...?

low powered inexperience fights?

non in depth storylines, because we already know all of the main characters live, including the main villans (i.e. sabretooth, and magneto)

a young gambit, who isn't the borderline pimp he is in the comics, and you want him as a bad guy, so you are hatting on his best attribute which is, his undisputed loyalty to xavier even when he doesnt want to

a sinister story line that dosen't include his ties to pheonix, or madyleine pryor, or jean grey, or cable, or apacolypse for that matter

no apacolypse, because you can't mention apacolypse, and then have him wait around for (if you get your way with 3 prequel movies) 6 movies before he is a bad guy in one (is he just bidding his time?) or worse...you have a group of young xmen who have a tough time beating stryker at his weapon x facility, and get out because jean saves them, beating/ stopping the most indeafeatable mutant of all time

sure you have banshee, who is one of my favorite comic characters, but if he is the new mutant you are banking on, a mutant that screams, good luck selling tickets

and worse, you get even less of the team aspect of xmen then they already have because there will be roughly 5-7 of them...

the big problem is if we where to go with an X4 vs. X0 with sinister and gambit etc.(mauraders) as the bad guys, X4 trumps it instantly because you can do so many cooler things with it then you can do with a prequel, you already have mutants ready, 3-4 of them are almost Omega by now, the long anticipate Gambit debut will sell about 10 million tickets by itself, you can introduce the apacolypse, and have him featured the very next movie


if you go back in time a Begins, or regeneration is the way to go, because for as much as you would like to think prequel gives you as far as options, in moving forward, a Begins just gives you more, and you can't argue that really you can go any where with begins, where as no matter what you do with a prequel, no matter how far you stretch it you can only go to X1

 

[GL1]

i think you are going a bit too far with all of thise

they where so bad at fighting in X1 that it is going to be tough to believe that the fighting gets the amount better it needs(for movie purposes) to make money...

you can't say sinister was first...more then half of all of sinisters storylines are Phoenix/Jean Grey related, it would ether be not the best sinister storyline you could do, or not be the best sinister you could do...

fact is there are a tone of restrictions on a prequel what trilogy do u think they willl do, what storyline fits the bill, nothing, and then they will be completley taking the franchise to complete liberty, and doing whatever they want with it...i just don't ****ing get it, what do you expect to see...?

low powered inexperience fights?

non in depth storylines, because we already know all of the main characters live, including the main villans (i.e. sabretooth, and magneto)

a young gambit, who isn't the borderline pimp he is in the comics, and you want him as a bad guy, so you are hatting on his best attribute which is, his undisputed loyalty to xavier even when he doesnt want to

a sinister story line that dosen't include his ties to pheonix, or madyleine pryor, or jean grey, or cable, or apacolypse for that matter

no apacolypse, because you can't mention apacolypse, and then have him wait around for (if you get your way with 3 prequel movies) 6 movies before he is a bad guy in one (is he just bidding his time?) or worse...you have a group of young xmen who have a tough time beating stryker at his weapon x facility, and get out because jean saves them, beating/ stopping the most indeafeatable mutant of all time

sure you have banshee, who is one of my favorite comic characters, but if he is the new mutant you are banking on, a mutant that screams, good luck selling tickets

and worse, you get even less of the team aspect of xmen then they already have because there will be roughly 5-7 of them...

the big problem is if we where to go with an X4 vs. X0 with sinister and gambit etc.(mauraders) as the bad guys, X4 trumps it instantly because you can do so many cooler things with it then you can do with a prequel, you already have mutants ready, 3-4 of them are almost Omega by now, the long anticipate Gambit debut will sell about 10 million tickets by itself, you can introduce the apacolypse, and have him featured the very next movie


if you go back in time a Begins, or regeneration is the way to go, because for as much as you would like to think prequel gives you as far as options, in moving forward, a Begins just gives you more, and you can't argue that really you can go any where with begins, where as no matter what you do with a prequel, no matter how far you stretch it you can only go to X1

As for fighting. I've seen Cyclops take out six security guards with his bare hands. Cyclops took out Magneto, no one else. I've seen Storm take out military jets with just her wind abilities, which in the middle of flying the heck out of the X-Jet. Even scaling back their abilities significantly you have the capability for some incredible fight scenes. What the fights need to get better is well rounded stories and a bigger budget... the characters are already FAR more experienced and powerful than we'll ever see actually shown in the movie. Also, less experienced X-Men will hardly make fights less interesting, but more frenetic.

Storylines can be as deep as you want. Storyline depth is not related to how many characters can die but in addition to the option to have deep storylines you can kill everyone but Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Beast. Thunderbird, a main character, WILL die. Gambit, Sinister, Banshee, Dazzler, Longshot, Mimic, and all the rest are quite killable. If you feel that Magneto and Sabertooth will make the story not deep, then don't use them.

Also, Gambit being young doesn't stop him from being a ladies man, and I've listed him as one of the X-Men in my last post.

As far as Sinister's storylines, while he is responsible for the origin of Cable, and he may have chased the Phoenix at one time, his most notable storylines include a mutant massacre, which is just the type of underground mutant activity that could have happened in the X universe prior to X1, and also his constant mission to awaken apocalypse, just the kind of 'awaken the ancient god' storyline that makes for great movie making.

Fortunately the team aspect isn't based on how many team members you have, but how much you focus on them as opposed to centering on Wolverine. As far as Apocalypse waiting around, he's been waiting around for like 3000 years, having him hit another nap til X4 is absolutely no problem.

As for the big problem:
What's cooler about Omega Mutants? Does the movie verse even have "omega mutants?" It'd be different if we were going to show them using their full power, but the movies never do. They're always limited... we might as well have it be because of power level rather than contrived situations like metal statues and always being stuck indoors. X0 would still sell all the Gambit tickets, and there are certainly mutants ready.

Again, the only difference is power levels and specific characters. I can safely add Apocalypse to that list. In a Prequel, Apocalypse would be relagated to a climactic scene. I could see how having Apocalypse as a central villain assaulted by the phoenix, a city-freezing Iceman, a diamond crushing Colossus and a goddess Storm could be appealing, but no matter how many times we say omega mutant, the budget just won't allow the characters' full powers to make it to screen.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

but you have no rebutle for the fact that you can go wherever you want with a begins, whereas X0 leads, in how ever many movies you want, it always has to lead back to 1...where storm had trouble beating toad...and mystique was able to spare with Wolverine, and Cyclops gets *****ed around...who is going to believe Cyclops being this bad ass in X0 and being this second hand ***** in X0...it won't work

it's ether X4 or begins, there are so many limitations they are going to have to work with, if thunderbird dies(which granted would be cool as hell, but again they can do it in Begins) and Xavier, or Magneto (because of the Warhawk connection so he knows about it) when they talk about Martyers and casualties why would they mention Thunderbird? it seems very logical if this guy died that they would mention his courage...

If Mctaggart is in X3, and Banshee is in X0 why won't they mention Banshee...for as much as you want to believe that X0 has so many options there still is this

whatever you can do in X0 you can do in a begins, and you can do it better, you can do more, you can do whatever you want with begins, and you simply can't in a prequel....i want banshee too, i want thunderbird, but we can have the two, and colossus, and wolverine, and nightcrawler, etc. etc. Begins works on the same lines, and works better

 

[L0ngsh0t]

here is why sinister can't happen in a prequel

the Cyclops Jean Grey/ Madylene prior story line can't be done

summary take from wikipedia:

Sinister is obsessed with the Summers genetic line, which includes Cyclops and Havok, and has taken a proprietary interest in the family because Daniel Summers is a direct ancestor of Scott & Alex Summers. For a time, Sinister continued to advance his master plan to serve Apocalypse (and his own ends), but in general prefers to let bloodlines breed naturally (rather than hastily transforming them) in order to produce the most racially-supreme beings.

Sinister eventually believed -- or realized -- that Scott Summers’ and Jean Grey’s mingled genelines would create a mutant of unparalleled power, one that could destroy Apocalypse and thus free him from the yoke of that ancient tyrant.

To this end, he created Madelyne Pryor, a clone of Jean Grey, though he was disappointed that the clone manifested no powers at adolescence and he considered the whole project a waste of time and effort. Upon “Jean’s” death on the Blue Area of the Moon (at the culmination of the Dark Phoenix Saga), the Phoenix Force left her body and entered Madelyne’s, much to Sinister’s delight. He arranged a set of false memories for her, and left her where Scott would eventually encounter her.

that is a big story line that would be missed out putting sinister 1st instead of right after X3 which it almost fits perfectly

the morlock massacre...we meet the morlocks for the first time in X3(there the guys in rags in the trailer) now it dosen't mean they don't exist, but it does negate the xmen from any involvement...

the cable storyline, which is part of the cyclops jean stuff..

the gambit storyline can be done, but it would be cooler if he where a bad guy at first, and then turned good at the end and joined the xmen a la comic's, and that can't be done in a prequel

Sinister is completley limited in prequel form, but in begins 2, or X4 form he can do anything, any story

 

[GL1]

In an X0 you can explain why Cyclops and Storm hold back... x3 doesn't negate any x-men involvement. And an X0 movie would have to alter the comics storyline, just like the other movies. Sinister can still be used and there's no reason for Moira to say Banshee's name unless she's talking to him. Why can't Gambit be evil first in a prequel?

But the bottom line is this: A Begins IS more flexible than a prequel. No doubt. Can a prequel be a kickass movie all around, better than x1-3? I think so. Can a Begins movie do more than a prequel in regards to using certain characters and having a certain power level? Absolutely.

Again, I have no particular need to see Cable and Apocalypse running around, nor do I need Omega level mutants to be immensely entertained. Also, you may recall that a Begins movie will likely never happen. While I may not be a Wolverine fan, there are hundreds of thousands of people that are, and millions who actually enjoyed X1, X2 and will enjoy X3. Unless the franchise goes foul, there will be no reason to restart it.

And, for a Cyclops fan, certainly you are not offering X4 as a movie I'd be interested in?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

i am a emense cyclops fan, and hate with a vengence how under used he is(he's the leader of the ****ing team for crying out loud) i hold out hope that they would do him right in an X4, i would be pissed beyond belief though if he was the main character in X0 an not in X1-3

i think you can't say a begins won't happen, i think when the point comes that this set of actors do not want to be in it again, take a 5-7 year break from the franchise, and do a begins (much like batman without the **** of the original set of movies)

and that is where i hope they finally do the team vison of the movies, there are so many cool characters that can do so many cool things, i think it retracts from the movie to only have a few of them in it, i dunno, i'm a big fan of the comics (like that's saying anything on a board like this your all probobly big fans of the comics) and in the comics it's a team game, cyclops is the leader, wolverine is the anti-hero, storm, iceman, gambit, rogue, jean grey, nightcrawler, colossus, and the rest all fall into place and there powers are always ineed in certian situations etc..

as i would be pissed if cyclops was a main character in 0 and not in 1-3 i would also be pissed if they put gambit in 0 and not 1-3

the main problem i see with a prequel is it acknowledges the fact that they(Singer) ****ed up...i've seen it i know they ****ed up, i don't want them to acknowledge they ****ed up because that means we just wasted the last 6 years of X-men movies

where with a begins 5-10 years after their last movie it's not saying we ****ed up and wasted our time, it's saying this is one directors take on x-men, and now here is a different more accurate view point of the x-men

much like in the comics where their is the x-men, the uncanny x-men, ultimate x-men, and the astonishing x-men, there can be Bryan Singers X-men, and like a Quentin tarantino's x-men(unlikely but an example) etc..

 

[bengan]

I would like to see these x-men members:

• Cyclops
• Storm
• jean grey
• Emma frost(spy)
• Beast(no fur) or someone else that could leave or be killed of in the end like Banshee

The story evolving around hellfireclub and there use of mastermind(well, his lookalike in X2) to gain power in the white house and the new x-mens training.
Possible members of the hellfireclub:

• Emma frost
• Sebastian Shaw(possibly running for president)
• The scarlet witch
• Quicksilver
• Mastermind(will be used be magneto but turn in the end and try to help prof. X)
• magneto(in the end reveald as the leader)

magneto will only been shown in the end to the audience as the mysterious leader of the Hellfire club. Before that the audience have thought that Sebsatian was the leader.
SW and Q leave their father when they see that their father kill people in the name of "the good cause".
When Mastermind turns and try to help the X-men Magneto *****s up his blood(iron and that thing you know) , with makes his brain go berserk and making all these ilusions. Prof.X stops him but that puts him in some kind of a coma. The Us goverment will then "take care" of him for the " security" of the US.

Like it?

 

[GL1]

I would like to see these x-men members:

• Cyclops
• Storm
• jean grey
• Emma frost(spy)
• Beast(no fur) or someone else that could leave or be killed of in the end like Banshee

The story evolving around hellfireclub and there use of mastermind(well, his lookalike in X2) to gain power in the white house and the new x-mens training.
Possible members of the hellfireclub:

• Emma frost
• Sebastian Shaw(possibly running for president)
• The scarlet witch
• Quicksilver
• Mastermind(will be used be magneto but turn in the end and try to help prof. X)
• magneto(in the end reveald as the leader)

magneto will only been shown in the end to the audience as the mysterious leader of the Hellfire club. Before that the audience have thought that Sebsatian was the leader.
SW and Q leave there father when they see that thier father kill people in the name of "the good cause".
When Mastermind turns and try to help the X-men Magneto *****s up his blood(iron and that thing you know) , with makes his brain go berserk and making all these ilusions. Prof.X stops him but that puts him in some kind of a coma. The Us goverment will then "take care" of him for the " security" of the US.

Like it?

I like it in general, but I'd rather keep Magneto out of it... he's not the only X-Men villain... while a nice twist, it suggests the X-Men have no other foes and threatens the non-antagonistic relationship that Xavier and Magneto have at the beginning of the movie...

Has anyone thought of a prequel TV series?

 

[bengan]

I like it in general, but I'd rather keep Magneto out of it... he's not the only X-Men villain... while a nice twist, it suggests the X-Men have no other foes and threatens the non-antagonistic relationship that Xavier and Magneto have at the beginning of the movie...

Has anyone thought of a prequel TV series?

I know what youre saying(Ive been writing x-men storys since I was a kid ), but if I didnt have Magneto, I really dont see the use of wanda and Mr.speedruner. Cuz I would really like to revise their ralationship with their father and with each other. And I would only use Magneto in the last fight, where he first do that thing to Mastermind and then have a talk with Xavier. In that scene we would see their differences AND their similarities.

 

[javi1024]

i dunno if id want a prequel movie for the x-men. honestly im not entirely for a Wolverine movie. but i guess if they were to make an x-men prequel it could be a real good chance to establish Cyclops, Jean, and Storm (maybe a hairless Beast?) as a team and showing them all struggle to work together under Cyclops's leadership.

 

[javi1024]

I like your casting choices... originally I thought Olivia Wilde looked to exotic for Jean... but after googling her, she looks much more like the part in her regular pictures.

from there she looks like she would make a better Emma Frost

 

[bengan]

from there she looks like she would make a better Emma Frost

HAHAHA thats was my first thought too!!