X2 vs X3

[Speedball]

they may be classics but the only good ones are BB and VFV...


and ANYONE who says they ****ed up magnetos character can suck my dick!!! ....respectively

Nope, Magneto has always been one of the reason's to see the films.
They screwed up Cyclops and Jean Grey in the end though.

 

[Galactical]

X2

we need bryan singer to do x3 2.0.

i don't care if he took superman too seriously.

 

[xwolverine2]

Nope, Magneto has always been one of the reason's to see the films.
They screwed up Cyclops and Jean Grey in the end though.

thats why i said you can suck my dick if you disagree.....

pay attention! ..lol

 

[The Dark Defender]

Yeah, more characters that are as multi-dimensional and interesting to watch onscreen as cardboard standees and point and shoot at whatever bland bs happens to be in front of the camera...yippee.

 

[Cyclops]

Um... by "biggest comic masterpiece" he means the Dark Phoenix Saga, not any one comicbook movie. Which, like it or not, X3 shat all over that story. Stinky, clumpy, diarrhea kinda shat.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Yup, like the first 2 X films did to just about every aspect of X-Men; and as Singer does to just about everything he touches(taints rather), as he proved yet again this summer.

 

[Cyclops]

To you. To almost everyone else, he didn't. You're in a distinct minority there. Changing costumes and action sequences is one thing, keeping the ideas and thematics intact is another. But hey, that's your opinion. And it's my opinion to say that you're flat-out wrong.

But I doubt anyone can argue that turning the Dark Phoenix Saga into a half-assed Carrie-ripoff of a sub-plot isn't ****ting on the comics.

 

[Speedball]

To you. To almost everyone else, he didn't. You're in a distinct minority there. Changing costumes and action sequences is one thing, keeping the ideas and thematics intact is another. But hey, that's your opinion. And it's my opinion to say that you're flat-out wrong.

But I doubt anyone can argue that turning the Dark Phoenix Saga into a half-assed Carrie-ripoff of a sub-plot isn't ****ting on the comics.

Oh it is.
It's more like a Willow rip-off, than Carrie.

 

[The Dark Defender]

To you. To almost everyone else, he didn't. You're in a distinct minority there. Changing costumes and action sequences is one thing, keeping the ideas and thematics intact is another. But hey, that's your opinion. And it's my opinion to say that you're flat-out wrong.

But I doubt anyone can argue that turning the Dark Phoenix Saga into a half-assed Carrie-ripoff of a sub-plot isn't ****ting on the comics.

1. It's not as distant as you think(my feelings towards his latest butchery known as SR aren't distant at all for that matter), my disdain for Singer's work isn't something new, the films may be very popular, but quite a few fans have shared the same complaints(mostly the ones searching for depth as opposed to simply accepting the absolute bare minimum and calling it greatness).

2. It's 100% irrelevant when discussing quality. Again, quality and popularity are two entirely different issues.
Changing costumes and action sequences was the least of what was wrong with Singer's films. I haven't seen much of a valid argument in defense of Singer's films and what they did to show respect to the characters either, most just fall back on the lame ass popularity argument to try and justify their views. Most people thought a man that was never elected, and was irrefuteably proven to be horrible at his job (sort of like the political version of Singer) deserved to be re-elected...most people think plenty of idiotic crap, and most people thinking it makes it no less idiotic.
If you insist on thinking his paper thin, horrendously directed pieces of **** were good movies, that's your opinion, and it's mine that you're flat-out wrong, and I can give a mile long analysis of how he royally ****ed up just about every single thing about X-Men rather than falling back on irrelevant stats to support my viewpoints; of course that's about the only defense anyone can come up with. Trying to argue about how good the characterization is is trying to argue something that obviously isn't there, because the hack filmmaker put little effort into even attempting to put it there; and again, most people putting the blinders on and crediting someone for something that clearly isn't onscreen doesn't change that clearly isn't onscreen.
It's very fitting that people come up with such shallow explanations to support such shallow films.

X1 and X2 are ****ty episodes of the Wolverine show with a watered down shell of him that guest stars hackneyed versions of the X-Men.

The Last Stand is a very flawed X-Men film, but atleast it WAS an X-Men film.

 

[JackBauer]

X2 is f***in great.

X3 is dirty toilet paper passing for celluloid.

 

[Jasmine]

X2

 

[JTStarkiller]

No contest. X2.

 

[Bastila]

X2 it's more like X-men and who they are and feels like X-men with the stories and the characters, i liked X3 the action was amazing Dark Phoenix was cool, but some things annoyed me a little, but X2 everything about it was good and amazing and X-men.

 

[thealiasman2000]

I'm starting to simpathise with StormyPrecious.

Why?

He (or she) feels the same way about "X-Men" that I feel about "Batman Begins".

Everytime he gives his opnion on the X-Men movies, fighting against the tide of fanboys that claim it to be perfect, it reminds me when I do the same thing with "Batman Begins".

And he feels the same way about Singer than I feel about Nolan.

So, I can empathise with him.

 

[Cinemaman]

X2 was MUCH BETTER than X3.

 

[Milkman95]

X2, no contest. The poll results are all you need to know.

Singer>Ratner.

 

[britrogue]

That's a tricky one. X-3 had a much better storyline to it, and out of the three was the only one that went back to basic comic lore to GET it's story. But the finished effect of X-2 was better.
X-3's biggest problem was it's length, but that was Fox's fault. I've had to vote X-2, but I like them both the same.

 

[Obsidian]

That's a tricky one. X-3 had a much better storyline to it, and out of the three was the only one that went back to basic comic lore to GET it's story. But the finished effect of X-2 was better.
X-3's biggest problem was it's length, but that was Fox's fault. I've had to vote X-2, but I like them both the same.

Not really. X3 bastardized the "Dark Phoenix" storyline. However, while X2 changed some things about "God Loves Man Kills" like changing Stryker from a Reverend to a General, it still kept the central storyline intact.

 

[Obsidian]

I'm starting to simpathise with StormyPrecious.

Why?

He (or she) feels the same way about "X-Men" that I feel about "Batman Begins".

Everytime he gives his opnion on the X-Men movies, fighting against the tide of fanboys that claim it to be perfect, it reminds me when I do the same thing with "Batman Begins".

And he feels the same way about Singer than I feel about Nolan.

So, I can empathise with him.

"Batman Begins"? What does "Batman Begins" have in common with "X-Men", besides the fact that they took a realistic take on the story?

 

[nolan's roll'n]

X-2 was the better. X-2 was a pretty long movie, at 2hrs. and 14min. x-3 was 1hr. and 43min.

 

[Kaboom]

X1 and X2 are ****ty episodes of the Wolverine show with a watered down shell of him that guest stars hackneyed versions of the X-Men.

The Last Stand is a very flawed X-Men film, but atleast it WAS an X-Men film.

um, in the first movie, all of them go to the statute of liberty, and fight magneto, pairing off against an individual from the brotherhood. ana paquin is the main mutant from a story standpoint. wolvie only gets to her from storm and jean.

in X2, they work together wth the brotherhood, to infiltrate alkali lake, nightcrawler is huge, the go into depth with pyro. professor x is under mif crontol and almost detroys everyone and storm has to stop him.

in x3, scott acts like wolverine, wolverine leads the team??? even though storm is in charge? he tries to save the prof at jeans house? he goes to rescue jean in the forest? he stays back to kill jean at the end (or is it th e middle)? hes in love with jean?

i think you reversed you analyses.

 

[Sabretooth]

Um... by "biggest comic masterpiece" he means the Dark Phoenix Saga, not any one comicbook movie. Which, like it or not, X3 shat all over that story. Stinky, clumpy, diarrhea kinda shat.

Yes. I know. And I said that the Dark Phoenix Saga is not the biggest comic masterpiece.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

X2 hands down.

X2 had more emotion, drama, atmosphere, and better writing in which we(the fans) cared about the characters. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, although I think those who complain about Singer being bland, unoriginal, and boring need to take off their ADD hats and look at the overall product.

There's more to the X-Men than just wonderful eye candy. Of course, X-Men in general is not a realistic entity, then again what comic book movie or comic book in general is realistic?

I think what Singer did that Ratner didn't do was add emotion to it. Singer presented the characters strongly, made us care about them, and helped us understand their yearning to fit in with common society.

From my own personal experience as a comic book fan; I was moved emotionally by seeing Logan hold Rogue in his arms as he thought she was dead. The music, the atmosphere, and the silence between the two really set a mood and made you hope for the best.

In X2, it was painful and very powerful to watch Scott cry in Logans arms when Jean perished. I don't care what anyone says, it was an emotional moment and proved that Marsden is a capable actor.

Fox and Rothman shat on the Dark Phoenix saga and the fact that X3 apologists can defend it shows they'll accept anything.

There are a lot of emotional moments obviously. Moments that really struck a chord and made a very powerful impact. Ratner, while he didn't create a trainwreck by any means, he didn't really allow a moment in the film to breathe or allow the impact to settle in. It was just Xavier is dead, Cyclops is dead, let's not mourn or anything let's just go on pretening that nothing happened. Example of bad writing:

Logan- ::See's Scotts glasses floating::

Storm- LOGAN!!!

Logan- Jean?

See anything wrong with that? Where's the "Oh, by the way, I found Scotts glasses. Let's look around for him."

Or better yet

"Professor, I found Scotts glasses. Perhaps you should use cerebro to try and find him?"

The lack of character development, bad writing, bad ADD directing, and no emotional heart is what really made this film suffer. Now in defense of Ratner, I will say that this film should've been a Uwe Boll film. Given the studio politics, the rushed filming production, and etc, etc....This film should've been an absolute trainwreck and the fact that it wasn't warrants Ratner quite a bit of respect.

But other than that, it's the only credit he will receive. It doesn't change the fact that Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg are studio yes-men.

X3 allowed no development. Fox screwed Singer on including Beast, Juggernaut, and Gambit for X2 with the limited budget he received. You know how many times I had to roll my eyes because the audience wondered, "Why is that big blue guy acting like he's so intelligent?"

If given more time with better writers and directors, this film could've provided some back history for Beast, Juggernaut, more Colossus time, and possibly introduce Gambit as well.

The only good things about X3 was McKellen, Marsden, Grammer, Janssen, and Stewart.

There is a reason why Spider-Man 1/2, Batman(1989), Batman Begins, Superman 1/2, V For Vendetta, X1/X2, Sin City, Blade 1/2, and Hellboy are respected among the comic book/non-fan community. They were given a lot of time to flesh out ideas, studios didn't barge in to ruin a great concept, and the directors took their time rather than flat out admitting, "I get bored very easily on the set, so I immediately move to the next scene after the first take."

 

[Jakomus]

I gave X3 a chance. I never said anything bad about it, and whenever in the Superman forums someone bashed the movie (before it was even released) I said "wait and see". The story sounded great, and the trailers promised AT THE VERY LEAST a good action movie.

I went to the cinema and found myself laughing at how bad it was. I gave it a chance. And my conclusion is that it is a terrible movie.

X2 wins.

 

[WorthyStevens]

X2.