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Young Justice Cartoon - Part 2

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good thing I watched it this morning. But you know its floating around the internet somewhere. Still wish they would give us a come back date for this show.
 
is this show still even on the air?

is it coming back for a 2nd season?
 
Drz said:
Yeah good cameo, i wondered if the Black guy was Cyborg but he didn't seem to have the same civillian identity so nah. I also loved Martian Manhunter's "they grow so fast" line haha.

Good episode that reminds me just how fluid the action is. :word:
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The big Black dude was Mal Duncan, aka Herald, aka Vox. Bumblebee's husband. They were on the Doom Patrol together.
 
Where is Rhelasia? I haven't watched the episode yet but I've downloaded it and just check it was real.
 
Primal Slayer said:
Disney will forever get the evileye from me from never releasing the rest of Season2.
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Yeah, that does suck. Maybe one day, though. One day, when the kids who watched Gargoyles growing up are in powerful enough positions to indulge their nostalgia the way all of the grown-up comic fans running Marvel and DC indulge their nostalgia all the time now...
 
I wasn't in withdrawals because of this show but it felt good to finally see a new episode.
 
Kahoot said:
Where is Rhelasia? I haven't watched the episode yet but I've downloaded it and just check it was real.
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Ficticious Asian country. Probably similar to North and South Korea.


BTW the political science teacher Mr Carr, was former JLA mascot Snapper Carr.
 
XEdge said:
thanks.

but it's disappointing that the 2nd season is only 10 episodes.........:(
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Not really a big deal. Season one is 26 and Season 2 is 10 for a total of 36 episodes. That is how they are ordered but not necessarily how they will be packaged.

As for the current delay. I have been hearing that the delay may be in part to them not being happy with some of the episodes final animation. Since they were not signed off on, they need to be fixed or in some cases redone (what stage that is in I'm not sure or how it effects scheduling). I am also not sure if it is the stuff that MOI Animation in Korea was doing or the stuff Warner Bros. Animation was handling directly.

I just hope they get back soon. It's a great show.
 
What's the deal with Superboy's pet ball from Apokolips? Is that thing from the comics?
 
Gold Samurai said:
BTW the political science teacher Mr Carr, was former JLA mascot Snapper Carr.
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Yep. Greg Weisman himself voiced him. And according to the comic tie-in, his "history" with the Joker is the same in this series.

Shocker 9000 said:
What's the deal with Superboy's pet ball from Apokolips? Is that thing from the comics?
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Many speculate that sphere will turn into the Super-Cycle, and that actually was slightly hinted in the new episode.
 
It is a hilarious oversight that the main CN website has posted a full episode of "YOUNG JUSTICE" before the TV network did, but that's fine by me. It isn't illegal if the website itself leaks it, right? Right. It could be because a decision to air 1-2 episodes in June, as Weisman once stated on his blog, was made at some point in the recent past, but at the last minute the network decided to wait until they had more episodes ready (likely about 4 so they could run new episodes for a month). However, whoever runs the website maybe didn't get the memo, so they went ahead and uploaded episode 10 now. The last I checked, it's down, but it's too late to put the genie back in the bottle now.

At any rate, episode 10 is "Targets", which continues the trend of one-word titles.
This episode focuses on Speedy, or Red Arrow now, on his quest to protect the leaders of two warring factions in a fictional Asian country from being killed by the League Of Assassins (led by Chesire, from "Infiltrator"). While Aqualad, Superboy, and Miss Martian also get screen time, this is essentially a Roy episode. This is a little odd since Roy is a side character and not a member of the team, and this has been somewhat consistent since the pilot. Still, character arcs are character arcs - some would likely say the same about Casey Jones in TMNT, yet I like Casey so I never mind when he gets focus. This episode is full of cameos of DC characters as well as being a key episode with the seasonal subplot of "The Light" organization. Cat Grant (from Superman's universe) covers the events of the meeting, and Roy quickly finds out that the target of the assassins aren't the political leaders, but the person who is trying to intervene and produce a peace plan. It turns out to be not Superman or another famous hero, but the infamous Lex Luthor. Thus, Roy is stuck having to defend someone he knows is dirty, but may not be in this instance. However, the story editor who literally created "The Xanatos Gambit" doesn't leave fans of villains ably manipulating heroes disappointed.

The character arc for Roy is getting him to at least acknowledge to himself that he can't handle every threat alone and that he needs get help from his old friends at Young Justice when he has to. Initially seeing the team as "selling out" to adult hero monitoring, this episode sees him acknowledge that they are a competent team on their own, and the first place to call when he needs help. Cheshire (ably voiced by Kelly Hu) is eventually joined by Sportsmaster (from "Drop Zone") and after initially being captured and arrested by Roy, soon escapes and nearly kills him. Initially just calling Aqualad to ask for some intel from their computer, Roy ultimately calls on Aqualad for back-up for the final act.

Meanwhile, Megan and Superboy are sent to their first day at Happy Harbor's local high school. The school, much as Midtown High was in TSSM, seems to exist to be a nexus for character cameos. Wendy and Marvin from SUPERFRIENDS become the unofficial supporting cast of the Meganboy Show, which likely goes to show that the people who write this show are in their mid 30's. Superboy finally gets a real name, or at least an alias, of Conner Kent. Conner, because Megan likes the name, and J'Onn (who has a cameo to see them off alongside Red Tornado) has a slip of the tongue and suggests Kent as a last name. Happily, Megan innocently assumes it is an homage to the deceased Kent Nelson (Dr. Fate), who they encountered. Given that "Denial" was a plot that did not involve "The Light", it is nice to see that it wasn't filler. Conner is forced to abandon his S-Symbol tee because of the fear that someone will SOMEHOW figure out he is a metahuman, only for him to see that virtually every member of Happy Harbor High wears a Tee with a superhero symbol. It shows how useless a tee is as a signature thing and makes me wonder if this may lead to Conner wanting to adopt a proper costume to make himself more distinct as an heir to Superman than, literally, a kid on the street.

The "Megan and Conner in High School" elements are both amusing and annoying at times. Conner has a hilarious moment demonstrating some of the knowledge he had downloaded, essentially, into his mind by Camdus, and his awkward adjustment to social scenes are cute. On the downside, he and Megan are perhaps the most obvious "shipper" couple in Western animation. They make certain anime couples seem distant. Megan blushes every time Conner takes off his shirt (which happens quite a lot), and fawns at his every word. Conner, for his part, is ready to tear someone apart any time Megan is treated unfairly - including going through a cheerleader hazing ritual. Yes, Megan lives the dream and becomes a cheerleader in her civilian identity. A key scene involves Megan summarizing the cultural war on Mars between the Green and White Martians, and her immediate INSISTENCE that she's "a green, of course" implies exactly the opposite. Which is good, and hopeful. The White Martian thing is a key element of Megan's character from the comics and is her key character conflict, and subplot. While YJ hasn't been the best Weisman jam ever, I doubted he would abandon such a thing whole hog, and may merely try to make it mysterious. After all, TSSM was a show that actually managed to make "Who is the Green Goblin?" a legitimate mystery despite debuting after "SPIDER-MAN 3".

On the downside, yes, we get a lot of obvious "shipping" and yes, Megan says her catch phrase again. From their inception, catch-phrases can be polarizing; for every person who likes it, another hates it. I imagine even TMNT fans are split on hearing someone scream, "COWABUNGA!" these days. Even some fans of "GOOD TIMES" thought "Dy-No-MITE!" to a point was overused. Catch phrases have been common to TV shows since they began, so Weisman hasn't done something wrong trying to create one. Lord knows "TEEN TITANS" had a few ("Titans, GO!"). That said, a part of me dies every time I hear, "Hel-LO, MEGAN!" Just because I understand it, doesn't mean I like it.

Mark Rolston voices Lex Luthor here; he's often been cast as villains or antagonists in all sorts of films, such as "ALIENS" or "ROBOCOP 2". It was tough getting used to him after hearing Clancy Brown or James Marsters, and Rolston's performance seems to try to combine the two in a way. He's better than Powers Boothe was in "SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS". Crispin Freeman voices Roy/Red Arrow/Speedy, and while he often has a gruff kind of voice, I almost get the feeling his voice director for this show keeps saying, "No, Crispin, growl more, sound angrier, ANGRIER!", because EVERY LINE from Roy seems to be some sort of snarl or rasp or croak. It gives the impression that either Freeman is trying too hard or Roy is trying too hard to sound "gruff", which can make some of his lines annoying. I swear, he could order a coffee and still sound grim and gruff. It reminds me a little of Tony Daniels voicing Hawkeye in 1999's "AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND" where he kept trying to be a poor man's Cal Dodd as Wolverine - which ain't good. Archer heroes in general are often more jovial or wise-cracking types, but Roy insists on being so serious. Rather than make Roy sound tough, he's coming off as annoying because he's trying so hard. A kid who used to go by "Speedy" is now trying to be "x-treme" - can you tell a middle aged man came up with that idea in a comic somewhere?

The lack of Kid-Flash, Robin, and Artemis leaves the lighter moments to the Conner and Megan side-scenes, which don't really matter to the overall plot. The events of the political situation are discussed in their class, but it's a separate thing. This also makes the "mission" aspect of the episode quite serious, which probably works given the assassination plot. The final action sequence with Red Arrow & Aqualad vs. Cheshire and Sportsmaster is sure awesome, from storyboards to animation (and with a surprising panty-shot; this DOES air in prime-time, after all). Ra's Al Ghul is the leader of the League Of Assassins, and is voiced by Oded Fehr (who used to voice Dr. Fate in "The Timmverse"), and it turns out that not only have he and Luthor manipulated the entire affair, but are two members of "The Light". Given that Superboy in recent years has DNA from Lex Luthor, his appearance is inevitable.

The odd thing to me is why more of an effort wasn't made to have Wally and Artemis go to the same school as Megan and Conner do. Perhaps this is done out of "realism", to allow the team members to have their own lives in different cities, but "realism" goes out the window in a superhero show. Having most of the teenage cast in one school allows for more opportunities to interact out of costume. Sure, "X-MEN EVOLUTION" did this already, but it WORKED, didn't it? Unlike in "AVENGERS: EMH", we almost never get a reason why someone in the cast is missing (beyond Robin teaming with Batman on occasion), so it can seem frustrating. Megan and Superboy are starting to become the lead characters of the show, and that's a dilemma to those who are not their biggest fans. So much investment was made in creating a supporting cast for their school like Wendy, Marvin, and Bumblebee, and I doubt we'll ever see that much investment in, say, Wally's school or Artemis' school (Robin is 13 so he'd naturally still be in junior high, not high school). And if so, then it's awkward transitioning across three high schools for civilian banter when it could be done in one. Wally's fast enough to commute and the team has teleport machines.

The show has decided to make Megan and Superboy an "obvious" couple. There was little build up besides Conner learning how to stop being enough of an angry jerk to date Megan. There's no love triangle and no tension (besides EVERY GIRL thinking Superboy is "hot"). This is not unheard of; the 90's "X-MEN" cartoon did this mostly with Scott & Jean. Sure, Logan pined for her, but they were an established couple from the pilot and never wavered. The dilemma is, then, that if you have too many scenes with them together in which their relationship is half the point of it, it can seem like overkill. Maybe I haven't explained this properly. Maybe I feel that having bits where Superboy is slowly getting used to dating Megan are a waste, and he may as well be making out with her by now. It's the only place for their subplot to go. Get there already and move on.

Aqualad gets some time to be efficient and cool here, with some great water-use powers and combat moves. There is a part of me that is frustrated that Sportsmaster, a Z-List loser DC villain of the highest order, has been made into a complete bad-ass here, and Bane, a very well known DC Comics bad-ass, was "curb stomped" three times within one episode. Imagine if I made a Spider-Man cartoon in which Looter and the Spot were complete combat machines, and Venom was easily defeated in every fight he was in. As a Bane fan, I probably am still nursing some irritation at "Drop Zone". Given that Sportsmaster is Artemis' father, and possibly even Cheshire's here, I understand why he has taken "a level in bad-ass" in this show. If he was a fop, it wouldn't be as dramatic when such revelations are revealed. I just don't see why YJ had to take the most well known villain that had appeared in their show up until that point - Bane - who is well known for being an imposing threat and instead make him a cunning paper tiger. No, instead Sportsmaster and ****ing Mr. Twister are hardcore. I am curious what will happen when Aqualad finds out who HIS dad is.

I continue to assert that Artemis, if she HAD to date someone, would be an ideal match for Aqualad. He's efficient, methodical, and has a villain for a dad. Instead she's being stuck to Wally in the sheer "opposites attract" subplot.

Overall, this was a good episode, but it did have it's foibles. Some of the high school stuff seemed a little mundane, and the other characters were missed. The action sequences were incredible, although Luthor and Ra's may have fooled Roy, they didn't fool me - every twist I saw coming at least 2-5 minutes before it came. Superboy and Megan continue to be a very predictable shipper couple, almost designed to appeal to hardcore "otaku". Part of me wonders if in a show that is only 10 episodes deep and still has main characters to flesh out, especially Artemis, if this was the best place to focus on a side-character like Roy.
Not everyone is a fan of the "black ops" style of missions, but I don't mind them - daylight superhero stuff was done in "TEEN TITANS", and Weisman wants Young Justice to be seen as a legitimate team and not a generic fun super-group. Even if, ironically, the comic it was named after was a fun super group, which was unique when it began in the late 90's (when EVERY comic took itself far too seriously). I am always bemused when things are changed for TV and what is "changed" is to make things more mundane. Rather than be fun, Conner/Superboy is almost a stock "angry loner" cliche - although Roy at least beats him out in this episode.

On the other hand, I look at "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES" and it makes me remember that it is possible to have a show that can be fun, and poke humor at itself, even in mid-adventure, while at the same time dialing up the danger to 11 for mega-arcs. The team don't have to wear black costumes and sneak through a jungle or a desert for their missions to seem important.

The task is to be different than "TEEN TITANS", and that show was often very light and fluffy, with some bizarre sidetracks it took. In contrast, this show is mostly serious with a few gags and one-liners thrown in; at least in episodes with Wally or Robin. The stumble of the show continues to be that it is a well executed show in which it's characters all play defined, cliched roles and don't flex in them. That doesn't make it a bad show by any means, but it does make it a show that seems less than it is. It's a show that seems to be happy with a B+ average, which can seem disappointing when you know it's capable of an A with just a little more effort. Considering how rapidly this show was put into production, however, it is probably amazing that it IS this good, considering how little time Weisman and company had to get just the pilot ready for air by November 2010, much less have another 7 episodes ready by Spring 2011.
 
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Some things to consider when trying to figure out who's the mole on the YJ team:
1) The Light views the loss of Superboy as temporary.
2) As stated by Greg Weisman, Aqualad doesn't know his father is Black Manta.
3) Intel from the 4th episode mission was mentioned as having been leaked, and Artemis wasn't on the team then.
4) Megan mentioned White Martians.
 
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As I have mentioned before, Artemis is too obvious a mole. For that reason I think it's unlikely. Weisman may have lost the ability to write characters who are not TV Tropes (the angry one, the funny one, the smart one, the girl, etc.), but he usually hasn't lost the ability to write a mystery. Megan is still my call for being a mole, because she is the least likely. I think she is in such deep cover as a White Martian that she may not even be aware of her status, and it may come as a shock to her. The only way to fool Martian Manhunter would be to have an operative who believes her cover story completely.

Superboy is also possible, since The Light basically grew him. Like Mojo did to Psylocke, they could have installed cameras in his eyes, or something.

Aqualad being the mole would be bad - the lone character who isn't Caucasian proving to be untrustworthy. It would reek of cliche. I'll be stunned if we make it to season two without him going through a drug addiction storyline (not even Cyborg in "TEEN TITANS" was safe from that). It should be interesting when he finds out about Black Manta, though.

Robin or Kid-Flash are also unlikely. It also seemed obvious that some of the members were missing or not "allowed" into the mission because they'd have defeated the assassins in 12 seconds - or forced to have a "Wally once again trips on water/mud/marbles/rocks" scene.
 
Gold Samurai said:
As I mentioned up top to, the episode is on youtube also.
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That's what I meant. It doesn't matter if CN yanked it now. If they released it for any length of time, the Internet has it now. :p
 
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