Young X-Men

[Specter313]

A lez. Typo. Still in shock one year later. Her rationale is due to Wolverine's animal attraction to women was passed down to X-23. It left me a little speechless. Like the time I heard my friend read a Leon/Wesker RE Slash fanfic and enjoyed it.

Heh, I'd heard something similar, though it was his hard on he gets for the local hot shot psychic, hence her big crush she's got on Hellion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

But Wolverine only liked Jean because she subconsciously reminded him of Rose. So shouldn't X-23 really just dig redheads?

 

[PhotoJones]

Wait, what? I thought Wolverine liked Jean because...he just liked Jean.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Never read Origin, huh?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Hell no

 

[PhotoJones]

Never read Origin, huh?

I read the first issue, I think. Maybe half of the second one.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Rose was a tutor for young Wolverine, who was always sick. Then a bunch of dark secrets about Wolverine's family come out, his parents and the groundskeeper (who was banging his mom, natch) somehow kill each other and Wolverine's brother, and Wolverine and Rose go on the run. Wolverine's healing factor has kicked in by then, so he's getting healthier. They wind up at a mining camp and Wolverine falls in love with Rose while getting buff from the mining and developing more into the man who will become Wolverine. Rose, unfortunately, is in love with Smitty, the head of the camp. Then Dog, the groundskeeper's son, kills Rose. Then Wolverine has a bunch of other years of life that we haven't seen, then he gets stuck in the Weapon X program, and the rest is history.

Oh, and Dog may or may not be Sabretooth, but that was never actually addressed in any comics afterward.

 

[PhotoJones]

Wolverine had a brother?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep, John Howlett, Jr. I was mistaken, though. John Jr. died at the tender age of 12, long before the incident where Logan, the groundskeeper, and Wolverine's parents killed each other. Wolverine's mother Elizabeth Howlett went mad after John Jr.'s death.

 

[PhotoJones]

I'm confused. Oh wait, I don't care.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It actually wasn't a terrible story. The whole "is he or isn't he" thing with Dog is stupid, but the story as a whole was decent. Certainly not enough to live up to the hype of Wolverine's long-awaited origin, but at that point I don't think anything would've been.

 

[El Bastardo]

The prospect of Dog being Sabretooth is just silly, really.

And would be awful if they ever went through with it.

Luckily, thanks to Jeph Loeb, we don't have to ever bother with that! Unless someone brings Sabey back and does it. And that would be lame. Seriously.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sabretooth's coming back. It's just a question of when.

 

[El Bastardo]

Lies.

 

[PhotoJones]

It actually wasn't a terrible story. The whole "is he or isn't he" thing with Dog is stupid, but the story as a whole was decent. Certainly not enough to live up to the hype of Wolverine's long-awaited origin, but at that point I don't think anything would've been.

So was Logan's dad a mutant, or something? I remember some guy who wasn't his dad but looked exactly like Logan being in the book.

The prospect of Dog being Sabretooth is just silly, really.

And would be awful if they ever went through with it.

Luckily, thanks to Jeph Loeb, we don't have to ever bother with that! Unless someone brings Sabey back and does it. And that would be lame. Seriously.

A TON of people hated that storyarc, but I liked it. It was paced well, and offered up some interesting theories instead of retconning everything.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So was Logan's dad a mutant, or something? I remember some guy who wasn't his dad but looked exactly like Logan being in the book.

No, Logan's parents were both normal, as far as we see. The dude who looked identical to Logan was the groundskeeper, who was named... wait for it... Thomas Logan. James Howlett (Wolverine) takes Logan's name while on the run with Rose to avoid getting caught, since there was a bounty out on them for his parents' death due to lots of confusion and framing. It's pretty heavily implied that James is the son of Elizabeth Howlett and Thomas Logan, too. We know that Thomas and Elizabeth were bumping uglies for some time, at least.

 

[El Bastardo]

A TON of people hated that storyarc, but I liked it. It was paced well, and offered up some interesting theories instead of retconning everything.

I know. I agreed with you. We were the only two people on the Hype, apparently, who enjoyed it.

It is part of why I (mostly) love you, Monsieur PJ.

 

[PhotoJones]

No, Logan's parents were both normal, as far as we see. The dude who looked identical to Logan was the groundskeeper, who was named... wait for it... Thomas Logan. James Howlett (Wolverine) takes Logan's name while on the run with Rose to avoid getting caught, since there was a bounty out on them for his parents' death due to lots of confusion and framing. It's pretty heavily implied that James is the son of Elizabeth Howlett and Thomas Logan, too. We know that Thomas and Elizabeth were bumping uglies for some time, at least.

So in telling the origin of Wolverine, Marvel just decided to make his actual origin even more conveluted and mysterious?

I know. I agreed with you. We were the only two people on the Hype, apparently, who enjoyed it.

It is part of why I (mostly) love you, Monsieur PJ.

It doesn't look like anyone's interested in revisiting some of the characters or themes that Loeb set up, though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So in telling the origin of Wolverine, Marvel just decided to make his actual origin even more conveluted and mysterious?

That's about right. It was fairly stupid, but it was the first thing I saw Richard Isanove's coloring on, so I owe it that, at least.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, the Quesada/Isanove covers were ridiculously awesome.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I remember when they had Shola Inkosi in Excalibur I thought he was a really good character and had a unique power set, but yet again they depower a descent guy and forget about him.

I loved Shola! My favorate stuff with him was in the Mekanix mini-series that debuted him. When he used his powers to crush one of those bug looking sentinels until it was microscopic (and thus, destroied) I was sold. I hated when he was depowered but was excited when we saw him again in Son Of M. He got his powers back and I was stoked... then he lost them again. Man I hated that. I have a small list of characters I REALLY wish they'd do more with and he's toward the top of it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Mike Carey's made me a big fan of Karima Shapander. I read on Wikipedia that she was in that Claremont Excalibur series. Was she any good, or did Claremont make her suck as much as he does all of the characters he touches?

 

[El Bastardo]

Claremont's "Excalibur: The Genoshan Chronicles, or Erik and Charlieboy Happy Hour" wasn't too horrible, despite the ridiculous title I gave it.

He did the characters some justice. They weren't utterly stupid like most of his writing of character is.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm... I may check out some trades. Was Karima there for the whole series?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Mike Carey's made me a big fan of Karima Shapander. I read on Wikipedia that she was in that Claremont Excalibur series. Was she any good, or did Claremont make her suck as much as he does all of the characters he touches?

She was much better in Excalibur. I'm not diggin her too much these days.