Your top 5 things that needs to be "fixed" for the Batman reboot

[Micromind]

Reboot ! Start from the beginning !

 

[regwec]

You really need to be shown all that stuff again?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You really need to be shown all that stuff again?

What stuff?

Nolan avoided 90% of Batman's various training and the very early age it started.

Audiences have no idea how many skills Batman mastered and how training diligently since childhood allowed him to master all those things like no one before him.

They just think he's a newly made ninja with old money. That's only a small slice of why Batman is one of the best superheroes on the planet with ZERO superpowers.

 

[regwec]

Sure, but the origin story is only one tiny sliver of Batman's story. If we default to the origin story every three movies, then we will never get to see a fraction of the rich, detailed and iconic world of Batman.

 

[Micromind]

Agreed.

Show young Bruce learning various languages by traveling around the world.

Show him learning gymnastics, boxing, jujutsu, Karate etc.

Show him learning Forensic science, how to perfect detective skills.

 

[Micromind]

Sure, but the origin story is only one tiny sliver of Batman's story. If we default to the origin story every three movies, then we will never get to see a fraction of the rich, detailed and iconic world of Batman.

In the first movie make it different from batman Begins by allowing Batman to solve a case by using his detective skills against a clever enemy like Riddler.

Some fight scenes with Riddler's goons will allow Batman to showcase his fighting techniques.

 

[regwec]

Then in 12 years' time, we can watch the whole thing again!

Yay.

 

[Lord]

Do a tv show that begins in Batman's year one, and now and then do a movie.

 

[Micromind]

Do a tv show that begins in Batman's year one, and now and then do a movie.

That is a good idea except for the fact that, not as many people will watch it as the actual reboot movie.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Do a tv show that begins in Batman's year one, and now and then do a movie.

I think a Batman origin tv show is an awesome compromise between people dissatisfied with Nolan's origin and those who don't want it re-visited in the reboot Batman film.

But instead of year one it would follow a 12 year old Bruce as he trains in scientific method, deduction, tracking, escape artistry, counter-surveillance, espionage, psychological profiling, most forms of combat (not just ninjitsu), bomb diffusion, interrogation, projectiles, sabotage, guerrilla warfare, counter-intelligence, the art of war, reconnaissance, piloting various vehicles, criminology, forensics, disguise, etc.

Basically a mix of Smallville, Hannibal and Breaking Bad (prodigy rookie slowly becomes a badass).

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sure, but the origin story is only one tiny sliver of Batman's story. If we default to the origin story every three movies, then we will never get to see a fraction of the rich, detailed and iconic world of Batman.

No the origin explains why Batman is far above most superheroes. Even above those with tremendous superpowers.

Him simply being a fresh ninja with old money doesn't cut it.

What about the scientific method, deduction, tracking, escape artistry, counter-surveillance, espionage, psychological profiling, most forms of combat (not just ninjitsu), bomb diffusion, interrogation, projectiles, sabotage, guerrilla warfare, counter-intelligence, the art of war, reconnaissance, piloting various vehicles, criminology, forensics, disguise, etc.

The fact he mastered these things while most kids are playing X-box and hiding porn is why he's Batman and no one else can come close.

This is all essential in putting the "rich, detailed, iconic" world of Batman in proper perspective.

 

[hafizbat]

What do you guys think about a Batman movie where Batman himself is narrarating? I would love to see the way he thinks, his inner thoughts and ways of approaching a situation, how to take down a group of enemies, or his own doubts and concerns about himself, his journey etc?

I think by allowing us to see things from an intimate point of view, Batman's own thoughts, we get a deeper look into the character that Nolan's Batman didn't really offer.

I can imagine him thinking while fighting (somewhat similar to the "Sherlock Holmes" movies) and talking about how he trained for this situation when he was 12 or in France or etc etc. It would solve the whole issue of illustrating his extensive training without actually devoting precious screentime to showing it. I think showing him use the training in real time, and referring to his learning of it is enough.

Also, some of my favorite parts about reading Batman comics is reading things through Batman's point of view.

Can you just imagine that in Batman's (hopefully more Conroy-like) voice? It would add an element that wasn't seen in the TDK trilogy, IMO.

 

[NosfeRomas]

In my opinion you can't make a Batman movie without touching on Origin, motivation and inspiration. That's the idea of Batman, take that out and all you have is a guy in a cape punching people and thats stupid.

Starting the movie like Year One would be great and show a different part of Bruce's training istead of his ninja fighting skills we saw in BB. If i was making a Batman movie first of all i would adapt Grant Morrison's run and the training i would like the audience to see is the Thogal ritual or an intense psychological rite of passage in Nanda Parbat.

What stuff?

Nolan avoided 90% of Batman's various training and the very early age it started.

You are saying that like it's Nolan's fault. When you are making a movie based on a character with 50+ years of history you can't include everything and he already put a lot of his training in BB, one of his many trainings anyway.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

In my opinion you can't make a Batman movie without touching on Origin, motivation and inspiration. That's the idea of Batman, take that out and all you have is a guy in a cape punching people and thats stupid.

Starting the movie like Year One would be great and show a different part of Bruce's training istead of his ninja fighting skills we saw in BB. If i was making a Batman movie first of all i would adapt Grant Morrison's run and the training i would like the audience to see is the Thogal ritual or an intense psychological rite of passage in Nanda Parbat.




You are saying that like it's Nolan's fault. When you are making a movie based on a character with 50+ years of history you can't include everything and he already put a lot of his training in BB, one of his many trainings anyway.

He hardly touched Batman's various training.

The audience knows about ninjitsu but not scientific method, deduction, tracking, escape artistry, counter-surveillance, espionage, psychological profiling, MOST forms of combat, bomb diffusion, interrogation, projectiles, sabotage, guerrilla warfare, counter-intelligence, the art of war, reconnaissance, piloting various vehicles, criminology, forensics, disguise, etc.

Do they have spend 10 minutes on each? Of course not.

But there are creative ways to imply he mastered much of them during childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood (15 years of various, hardcore training) while travelling the globe.

Why is this necessary? Because this is only reasonable explanation why Batman can beat most crime/spy/combat/tactic experts at their own game by a wide margin.

It's hardly enough to say Ras Al Ghul spoon fed him ninjitsu and his daddy was rich so now he's the greatest superhero with or without superpowers.

 

[NosfeRomas]

He hardly touched Batman's various training.

The audience knows about ninjitsu but not scientific method, deduction, tracking, escape artistry, counter-surveillance, espionage, psychological profiling, MOST forms of combat, bomb diffusion, interrogation, projectiles, sabotage, guerrilla warfare, counter-intelligence, the art of war, reconnaissance, piloting various vehicles, criminology, forensics, disguise, etc.

The Batman they were going for didn't need all this **** to work, it needed a few. Does Batman use all of his techniques in every story he is in ? No ! Does he need all of them ? No !
Do they have spend 10 minutes on each? Of course not.

We did get ninjitsu, the concept of theatricality and deception being powerful agents to the uninitiated. He did use a small portion of his detective skills by finding the thumb print when the round was pushed into the magazine and his interogation skills were there. I'm not talking about the Where is the trigger, where are they type of ****. But he did break Maroni's feet to weaken him.

But there are creative ways to imply he mastered much of them during childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood (15 years of various, hardcore training) while travelling the globe.

In childhood is too far fetched i would like to see him joining the theatre club so he can learn how to camouflage but again that wasn't the Batman they were going for. You have to leave some stuff out. You can't blame them for not making the Batman you wanted to see.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Batman they were going for didn't need all this **** to work, it needed a few. Does Batman use all of his techniques in every story he is in ? No ! Does he need all of them ? No !
Do they have spend 10 minutes on each? Of course not.

We did get ninjitsu, the concept of theatricality and deception being powerful agents to the uninitiated. He did use a small portion of his detective skills by finding the thumb print when the round was pushed into the magazine and his interogation skills were there. I'm not talking about the Where is the trigger, where are they type of ****. But he did break Maroni's feet to weaken him.

In childhood is too far fetched i would like to see him joining the theatre club so he can learn how to camouflage but again that wasn't the Batman they were going for. You have to leave some stuff out. You can't blame them for not making the Batman you wanted to see.

I'm not asking them to show everything with a 2 hour montage. But there are many creative ways you can show Batman doing wildly different things like training with escape artist, backwoods trackers, and retired CIA specialist. NOT JUST NINJAS.

Batman is the greatest hero because he was carefully self-molded since childhood by legendary mentors in everything needed for a complex war on crime. That requires more than recently taught ninja skills and expensive forensic equipment.

You wouldn't make a story about Alexander the Great's beginnings by only showing him study close combat. That doesn't adequately explain anything.

 

[Skrilla31]

I'm not asking them to show everything with a 2 hour montage. But there are many creative ways you can show Batman doing wildly different things like training with escape artist, backwoods trackers, and retired CIA specialist. NOT JUST NINJAS

You don't need to show us any of that. They don't serve story or character arc. Things like that need merely be implied. You don't need to inform the audience of Batman's background by wasting 1/3 of the movie on it.

Assume there's a crime scene. Batman shows up and starts pointing things out to Gordon and his men that they seemed to have missed. Things that no normal person would have - or could have - possibly observed. Just seeing something like that would imply that Batman has genius level intellect.

And once you establish that he genius level intellect, all the other things will write themselves. How can Batman escape this inescapable trap? Because of his genius level intellect. Because of his cunning. How can Batman always be three steps ahead of his foe? Because of his genius level intellect. And sure they can throw in a few cues along the way. For instance, take a look at that image hafizbat posted. You could work that into Batman's dialogue.

Alfred - "How did you know he was the one who was setting you up, Master Bruce?"

Batman - "There are six eye movements that reveal motive, and then fifteen variations of each one."

A simple line of dialogue tells you all you need to know. Clearly this guy has spent an insufferable about of time studying and mastering all sorts of various and obscure arts and sciences.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It takes both genius and vigorous training from masters to become as efficient as Batman.

There are plenty of genuises who read books on specialized skills but are easily outclassed by people with actual hands on experience.

natural genius = impressive

well trained = also impressive

natural genius + well trained = legendary badass

 

[Skrilla31]

I understand, I just don't think those things need to be shown. They just need to be implied. Getting to the core of Batman's psyche and his character is more important than finding out how he was able to master the art of deception. Chances are it's gonna be years before this movie sees the light of day. I don't wanna have to wait all that time just to see ANOTHER origin story. Everyone who buys a ticket knows the Batman origin. Just get on with it. Dive right into it and peel away the layers of Bruce's past as the story unfolds if you have to. Just don't waste another 40-60 minutes on more training.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Instead of a lengthy origin I'm hoping for 3 minute training flashbacks when Batman is in a deadly situation that requires a unique skill.

Batman is led into a deadly trap. He watches as windows and doors everywhere quickly shut. The hunchmen outside the room taunt him. He remains calm and surveys the room. A flashback sequence reveals a pre-teen Bruce panicking in a water filled tank as a Houdini like figure lectures him. He finally he releases Bruce gasping for air and offers some sage advice. The magician seeing Bruce clearly exhausted suggest they quit for the night and leaves. Bruce plunges back in more focused but the tanks door shuts and locks. He notices but calms himself while submerged. Flash back to the present. The thugs' leader comes out the shadows ready to watch Batman's execution but when they swing the door open, the room is empty. As the angry gang fan out looking for Batman he keenly observes from a far above.

Such a flashback scene would take four minutes tops and could be used to progress a current story. Three other flashbacks exploring his unique skill set would go a long way explaining why Batman is so prepared for any crazy or impossible situation.

 

[JOE]

As long as they don't use the Joker as the villain. It'll never live up to TDK. Stay away.

 

[regwec]

Balls, it will just be different. People said the same of Jack Nicholson's Joker.

 

[EssayM]

I have to agree, I don't think we need another BB just to show all the parts of his training that Nolan skipped (although I do agree they should've been shown there). What I would like to see is Batman using these skills: his deductive reasoning, his quick thinking, his scientific knowledge, his understanding of psychology. This is the movies: Show, don't tell. As long as we see that he has this knowledge, it doesn't matter where he got it; that would ruin the mystery.

 

[shauner111]

Balls, it will just be different. People said the same of Jack Nicholson's Joker.

True but it was about 20 years between Jokers. Im excited for another Joker but it's been 5 years since Heath and his character didn't die like Jack's did either. So it doesn't feel as closed off even though the universe is over on film.

Joker needs to be in the reboot, but im not sure at what level. If the movie is out in 2017 or 2018 then I don't think that first rebooted film should include the new Joker. 9 or 10 years after Heath's version is just way too soon.

I wouldn't mind hints at him. But he should be brought into the 2nd or 3rd film of the franchise. The 3rd would be the best thing to do. It'll be in the middle of the decade (of the 2020's). You can slowly hype up the new Joker via the first two. Showing Harley Quinn to hype him up while seeing her character change is also a cool idea.

 

[EssayM]

I dunno, I think 10 years is more than enough time, especially if you don't try to "top Heath" and instead go with a completely different version of the character. It's already been four years since TDK; I think by the time a reboot comes along, there will have been plenty of time to move on.

And if Harley Quinn shows up, she should be by her puddin's side.