Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

[ArmsHeldOut]

could be. They said the costumes and cowl were falling apart. Foam rubber tends to decay over time. Maybe they had to remove the bottom of the nose?

maybe just to let Ben breath better?

I'm still not sure which cowl we're looking at there, the one from BvS or JL.

 

[Superherofan123]

I'm still not sure which cowl we're looking at there, the one from BvS or JL.

BvS

 

[souperman]

I agree. I love BP - but the CGI in the final act is trash.

However, Darkseid's CGI seems worse than the title villain's CGI from competitor studio's ensemble film (if we have to be specific and compare apples with apples:

Thanos is ok. Not totally “realistic “ but good enough tho I wasn’t totally happy with the design.

Darkseid has a different look. It seems like a good adaptation from the comics. Stoney. Hard. Caveman like so we really can’t complain about that. Just using historical reference for the look.
The animation so far looks good to me. Smoother. We shall see how the CU facial scenes look. SW face looked well rendered.
These are at least as good as any Marvel CG IMO.
Again, a bit stylized but I like the overall effect.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just think some Snyder fans just want more people to look back fondly on MOS-JL and not be the butt of jokes etc. However, this whole, wait a few years, you'll see fans turn around, I just don't see happening. There's just too many reboots and current comic book movies, shows and series that I think it's tough to look back and appreciate it.

Quite honestly, I too wish discussion could be had of MoS and BvS without all the bickering and the jokes myself. On the notion of these movies being looked back on fondly, I would agree it isn't likely that people that already hate them will ever look back at them fondly. But, I think maybe some of that strong reaction came from the fact that these were not isolated films. These were the DCEU that the various spin offs would have to build off of, and people felt like they were gonna keep being forced more Snyder that they hated. Maybe now that DC is doing this multiverse thing, maybe that tempers things a bit. Fans of these can have their trilogy, and those that hate it can see films that don't have to be these versions.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Intermission.

 

[J.Drangal]

So I thought that even if Snyder worked on a 4:3 ratio, it would still be possible to satisfyingly reframe the movie to fit a 16:9 device. So I did some test by zooming and, when needed, moving up and down some shots. This is what I obtained, and I think it works perfectly...

... mostly.

Because I have to admit that in some shots, I feel like we lose a bit of something... But maybe it's just because I have the original to compare. I mean, nothing is really cut, subjects are still really readable and the shots well designed. Right ?

And then, to my surprise ...

Some shots are just impossible to crop without losing crucial informations.

What I find odd though is that those shots doesn't translate well to the 1.66:6 ratio neither, while Snyder talked about it last summer. This format wasn't a big departure from 16: 9, but if it's no longer relevant, then maybe some of these more recent shots have really been totally dedicated to the new format, with new compositions that fundamentally work vertically.


So I have to take back to what I said earlier, the movie is actually tricky to adapt properly to our home devices, at least when presented in a 4: 3 ratio.
All in all, this is not a deal-breaker for me, I guess I'll get used to it at some point but I know others are more stubborn than me, so ... we'll see !


EDIT: So I just found someone who finally tried to adapt the images being careful with the cropping. And ... It looks pretty good in motion, even the shots that I think would be too cut out. So ... I guess my long a** post is now moot.

 

[souperman]

So I thought that even if Snyder worked on a 4:3 ratio, it would still be possible to satisfyingly reframe the movie to fit a 16:9 device. So I did some test by zooming and, when needed, moving up and down some shots. This is what I obtained, and I think it works perfectly...

... mostly.

Because I have to admit that in some shots, I feet like we lose a bit of something... But maybe it's just because we have the original to compare. I mean, nothing is really cut, subject are still really readable and the shots well designed.

And then, to my surprise ...

Some shots are just impossible to crop without losing crucial informations.

What I find odd though is that those shots doesn't translate well to the 1.66:6 neither, while Snyder talked about it last summer. That was a decent format for a 16:9 screen. If it's not a thing anymore, then maybe some of those more recent shots have really been totally dedicated to the new format, with compositions that fundamentally work vertically.

So I have to take back to what I said earlier, the movie is actually tricky to adapt properly to our home devices, at least when presented in a 4: 3 ratio.
All in all, this is not a deal-breaker for me, I guess I'll get used to it at some point but I know others are more stubborn than me, so ... we'll see!

EDIT: So I just found someone who finally tried to adapt the images being careful with the cropping. And ... It looks pretty good in motion, even the shots that I think would be too cut out. So ... I guess my post is now moot.

I appreciate your effort! Thanks for sharing!

the video does work in 16:9. Thanks

I think 1:66 would work even better. Euro widescreen. Also I think an imax ratio.

 

[heatvision38]

I will say, on the pictures on the left, there is a greater sense of depth, dimensionality.

 

[antsman41]

So... is the Knightmare a prequel to the dream in BvS, since that ended with Herr Superman Dumb N/ Dumber-ing Bruce's heart?

Or, is this a "different" dream that shares the same aesthetics?

 

[Marvolo]

So... is the Knightmare a prequel to the dream in BvS, since that ended with Herr Superman Dumb N/ Dumber-ing Bruce's heart?

Or, is this a "different" dream that shares the same aesthetics?

The Knightmare events shown in BvS are negated when they resurrect Superman and stop him from going Pet Semetary on the world with Darkseid. The Knightmare events in this film is caused by Cyborg blowing up some of the Justice League when he was trying to separate the Motherboxes. Flash has to find a way back to the moment Cyborg screwed up and stop him from screwing up.

I think that's how it goes. Its timey wimey stuff so I try not to over think it.

 

[DeadStroke]

So... is the Knightmare a prequel to the dream in BvS, since that ended with Herr Superman Dumb N/ Dumber-ing Bruce's heart?

Or, is this a "different" dream that shares the same aesthetics?

Think its a prequel.

Although I guess Superman could have technically just injured him really bad instead of killing him.

Hindsight, but I wish Zack didnt give off the impression that he killed him.

 

[J.Drangal]

I will say, on the pictures on the left, there is a great sense of depth, dimensionality.

Absolutely. It just shows how dedicated Snyder really has been to this ratio. And since this one really shines on a big screen, it's also a statement on how much he envisioned Justice League to be a theater event. He wanted to do something special to be lived in cinemas...
This is why I'm not really mad at the ratio. I now understand where Snyder is coming from, and after this whole wild ride, I understand him wanting to give everything.
Also, I'm pretty sure he know that, with projectors and everything being more and more affordable, a lot will be able to enjoy the movie on a decent size anyway. ^^.
But if there's a little chance to adapt the movie in a more mainstream way, I think they should. I totally understand people wanting the movie to fill up their screen, even if it means to lose a little sense of grandeur in some shots. It's an option and we see more and more of it anyway.

 

[souperman]

So... is the Knightmare a prequel to the dream in BvS, since that ended with Herr Superman Dumb N/ Dumber-ing Bruce's heart?

Or, is this a "different" dream that shares the same aesthetics?

I think the knightmare is Bruce tuning in to the possible future path that Flash is warning about. So the knightmare is future reality. IMO whatever knightmare scenes we get in JL will be an extension of the vision but will be shown as the result of DS’s invasion. So it will be the knightmare come to pass.

 

[souperman]

Absolutely. It just shows how dedicated Snyder really has been to this ratio. And since this one really shines on a big screen, it's also a statement on how much he envisioned Justice League to be a theater event. He wanted to do something special to be lived in cinemas...
This is why I'm not really mad at the ratio. I now understand where Snyder is coming from, and after this whole wild ride, I understand him wanting to give everything.
Also, I'm pretty sure he know that, with projectors and everything being more and more affordable, a lot will be able to enjoy the movie on a decent size anyway. ^^.

Im sure this is true, but he originally said it would be in 1:66 and they must have shot with theatrical in mind for the original release so the framing can’t be imagined for Imax because it would never have been approved so the framing must be compatible with 1:66. I would think.

 

[J.Drangal]

Im sure this is true, but he originally said it would be in 1:66 and they must have shot with theatrical in mind for the original release so the framing can’t be imagined for Imax because it would never have been approved so the framing must be compatible with 1:66. I would think.

Yeah I guess the truth is there somewhere. I believe that back in 2016, Snyder worked with the new ratio in mind but with an open door for a regular theatrical format. So most of the movie works either way.
But my guess is that last year, when revisiting the movie, and since then deciding on keeping the 4:3 ratio, some of the new shot and especially CGI shot like the Darkseid one, may have been worked or (re-worked) exclusively for it.
That could make sense... I guess !

 

[antsman41]

...ok, rad. Essentially BvS was "Knightmare A" and this one will be "Knightmare B" ala Back To The Future 2-ish.

 

[souperman]

...ok, rad. Essentially BvS was "Knightmare A" and this one will be "Knightmare B" ala Back To The Future 2-ish.

Zack did actually say that the the knightmare is one of two possible futures.
In #1 flash was sent back “too soon” and the bad events take place apparently.
In #2 Batman Flash and a damaged Cyborg discuss sending Flash back in time. Cyborg tells Bruce that he found 2 possible points that he can go back to but doesn’t know which will work.
Batman asks Victor which he would choose. He says #1 so Batman tells him to send Barry back to #2 because from the knightmare premonition he knows the first did not work.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Has there been any new info on if this is going to have theatrical showings or not? I know they said there would be an intermission if it does, but one would think about a month out we would know for sure it would have screenings

 

[souperman]

Fun comparison

 

[THE WOLF]

 

[Erzengel]

Quite honestly, I too wish discussion could be had of MoS and BvS without all the bickering and the jokes myself. On the notion of these movies being looked back on fondly, I would agree it isn't likely that people that already hate them will ever look back at them fondly. But, I think maybe some of that strong reaction came from the fact that these were not isolated films. These were the DCEU that the various spin offs would have to build off of, and people felt like they were gonna keep being forced more Snyder that they hated. Maybe now that DC is doing this multiverse thing, maybe that tempers things a bit. Fans of these can have their trilogy, and those that hate it can see films that don't have to be these versions.

The problem is if one wants to watch a live action JL, your options are pretty limited. It's one thing if the Pattinson Batman wasn't your speed, you could back to West, Burton or Nolan. The only alternatives are a few episodes of Smallville or the CW crossover last year.

Has there been any new info on if this is going to have theatrical showings or not? I know they said there would be an intermission if it does, but one would think about a month out we would know for sure it would have screenings

I "kinda" get that WB is only advertising movies that were originally going to be released in theaters and this movie is meant to be strictly a HBO Max exclusive. I do kind of agree that WB doesn't seem to be as enthusiastic about this movie. But maybe it also has to do with not wanting to put money in more advertising and distribution especially during a pandemic.

 

[heatvision38]

If Darkseid isn't shown with his hands clasped behind his back at least once, I riot.

 

[Spider-jedi]

If Darkseid isn't shown with his hands clasped behind his back at least once, I riot.

i second this statement. but i have a feeling we wont see it.

 

[Greenlite]

I am not an expert but play with the camera a tiny bit, the original frames Zack is going for is better as he placed his objects and details based on his screen ratio

It will be awesome on the big screen but for my TV I will watch some Nolan IMAX clips first before jumping into SC to condition my eyes haha

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

No, there's definitely levels to this craft. It's absurd to pretend they're all comparable.

My favorite CGI creation is still Davy Jones.

I'll always refer to it as near impeccable CG. 15 years on and it hasn't aged one bit across its peers.

Yep, this supports an earlier point I was trying to make the other day. Much like PotA Caesar and Thanos, as he's depicted in the last two Avengers films, Jones owes his creation to the painstaking process of mapping mocap data to an actor's face. And as he falls in the category of a more preternatural type of character, rather than one based on an existing species like Caesar or one with roughly humanoid features, our brains don't automatically look for something 'real' to compare him with. I haven't seen the Pirates films in some time, but going by this pic and a short clip found on YouTube, the eyes look especially impressive to me. Generally speaking, even some of the very best VFX characters out there have a glassy, dead-eyed look to them. But the eyes are very convincing here. And 15 years to boot?? Outstanding.