Zelda

[Kipobe]

I hope you can change the pointer icon. The fairy is very annoying.

She flies around a little too flamboyantly for my liking, I must admit... but there's something about seeing Link with a fairy that just feels like home. Theres fer things I look at OoT for as being the standard for what a Zelda game SHOULD be, considering that LttP set most of the parameters... but it feels right seeing Link with a fairy. Somehow it's almost like he's the chosen one with that thing flying around him.

 

[MaximumSpider]

Thanks for the link Kipobe. Did you notice that

Spoiler

at the end of the gameplay trailer it looks like link pulls the master sword out of the ruins of the Temple of time from Oot

 

[Kipobe]

I didn't. Spoilers make me want to murder a baby deer.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thanks for the link Kipobe. Did you notice that

Spoiler

at the end of the gameplay trailer it looks like link pulls the master sword out of the ruins of the Temple of time from Oot

I noticed that quite some time ago. I'm still hoping that this is going to be the Hero of Time Link that we played in Ocarina of Time.

 

[MrHateYourself]

I noticed that quite some time ago. I'm still hoping that this is going to be the Hero of Time Link that we played in Ocarina of Time.

....does it really make any difference? He looks the same and plays the same.

Seriously, when did this crazy attempt to miniaturize and connect the Zelda games happen?

 

[jaydawg]

Um.... since Link to the Past came out?

 

[DACrowe]

Well it is VERY OBVIOUS THAT Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, A Link to the Past and Wind Waker are all on the same time line and in that order. However the other games makes it much more tricky, if not impossible to put them all in the same storyline and I can see Twilight Princess throwing A Link to the Past out of whack. My guess is there will end up being two timelines, 2D Zelda and 3D Zelda though.

 

[Mentok]

70 freaking hours of gameplay? CHECK!

9 freaking Dungeons? CHECK!

Hyrule 5 times the size of OoT? CHECK!

TP FTW

www.kotaku.com

The boys wasted no time in whipping out a whopping 9 dungeons, 70 hours of gameplay and boasted of a Hyrule field five times as big as the map in Ocarina of Time. They also assure us that there are a lot more side quests so that the game doesn't end up becoming and endless string of dungeons one after the other.

 

[MrHateYourself]

Well it is VERY OBVIOUS THAT Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, A Link to the Past and Wind Waker are all on the same time line and in that order. However the other games makes it much more tricky, if not impossible to put them all in the same storyline and I can see Twilight Princess throwing A Link to the Past out of whack. My guess is there will end up being two timelines, 2D Zelda and 3D Zelda though.

And the Game Boy games, and the CDi games, and the DS game, and Four Swords, and....Link's Awakening, for instance, clearly is a direct follow up to LTTP. And where does LTTP connect to ANYTHING else?

Very few of them have direct ties, or even thin references, to connections with other games in the series. What is peoples' obsession with giving some kind of overarching "continuity"? Does it make it feel more "epic" or some crap to you? Is the concept of multiple unrelated ideas with a similar subject not being related confuse people?

Next up, an attempt to canonize and give continuity to the Mario games!

 

[MrHateYourself]

70 freaking hours of gameplay? CHECK!

9 freaking Dungeons? CHECK!

Hyrule 5 times the size of OoT? CHECK!

TP FTW

www.kotaku.com

70 hours, I doubt that. Maybe 70 hours if you chase after every single possible thing to do, MAYBE, but I wouldn't expect mostly straight gameplay to take even 50.

9 dungeons? Awesome. Awesome.

5 times the size? So, still tiny, and I suspect smaller than WW as well. A nice increase though over the cramped and bland OOT Hyrule.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well it is VERY OBVIOUS THAT Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, A Link to the Past and Wind Waker are all on the same time line and in that order. However the other games makes it much more tricky, if not impossible to put them all in the same storyline and I can see Twilight Princess throwing A Link to the Past out of whack. My guess is there will end up being two timelines, 2D Zelda and 3D Zelda though.

Actually It's

Ocarina of Time - takes place in ancient Hyrule

Majora's Mask - sequel to Ocarina of Time

Twilight Princess - takes place in ancient Hyrule

The Wind Waker - this game takes place in the sea above ancient Hyrule, heavily connected to the Hero of Time

Phantom Hourglass - sequel to the Wind Waker

A Link to the Past - this game takes place in a new Hyrule, the one that the Hero of the Winds and Tetra went out to discover

Link's Adventure - sequel to A Link to the Past

the Legend of Zelda - A Link to the Past was said to take place before the first Legend of Zelda game

Zelda II: The Adventure of Link - sequel to the Legend of Zelda

 

[hippie_hunter]

And the Game Boy games, and the CDi games, and the DS game, and Four Swords, and....Link's Awakening, for instance, clearly is a direct follow up to LTTP. And where does LTTP connect to ANYTHING else?

Very few of them have direct ties, or even thin references, to connections with other games in the series. What is peoples' obsession with giving some kind of overarching "continuity"? Does it make it feel more "epic" or some crap to you? Is the concept of multiple unrelated ideas with a similar subject not being related confuse people?

Next up, an attempt to canonize and give continuity to the Mario games!

Shigeru Miyamoto treated the Legend of Zelda much like the Mario games, with the games he developed (Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, the Legend of Zelda, and Zelda II: the Adventure of Link), continuity wasn't very important

Eiji Aonuma however on the other hand, is the one who wants to develop a coherent timeline within the games. And with him being in charge of the series, this is what is happening.

Now onto the stuff you mentioned about what is in continuity:

- The CDi games are not in continuity because Nintendo wasn't even involved in the production of the game. Also they sucked ass and it's best to forget about them.

- Phantom Hourglass and Link's Adventure are definetly in continuity.
1. They were developed by Nintendo EAD

2. They continue the adventures of the Hero of the Winds and the Hero of Legend

- As for the games developed by Capcom's Flagship (Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, the Four Swords, and the Minish Cap) their position in continuity is up for debate. Personally, I don't consider them in continuity because:
1. They weren't developed by Nintendo EAD

2. They throw the timeline completely into whack if you try and logically put them somewhere in the timeline.

The Official Timeline (position is not up for debate)
the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (young Hero of Time Link)
the Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (continues the adventures of young Hero of Time Link)
the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (adult Hero of Time Link)
the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (new Link)
the Legend of Zelda: the Wind Waker (Hero of the Winds Link)
the Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (continues the adventures of Hero of the Winds Link)
the Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Hero of Legend Link)
the Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (continues the adventures of the Hero of Legend Link)
the Legend of Zelda (original Link)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (continues the adventures of original Link)

 

[jaydawg]

Well.... aside from the fact that the events of Adult Ocarina never happened.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well.... aside from the fact that the events of Adult Ocarina never happened.

The Wind Waker specifically states that the events of Adult Ocarina did happen.

Here's what is known as the Time Loop Theory

Ocarina of Time Loop Theory​

According to this theory, nothing in the past or future is changed by Link's time travel, and there is not a split timeline. When Link is sent back at the end of OoT by Zelda, instead of replacing himself in the past or being sent to an alternate timeline, he co-exists with his past self at the same time, in the same timeline. Link A is what Link is called before to being sent back by Zelda. Link B is what his "double" is called after being sent back by Zelda. We will now follow the events of both Link A and Link B step by step, starting with Link A:
1. Link A leaves Kokiri forest, meets Zelda, collects the stones, and pulls the Master Sword.
2. Link A sleeps in the Temple of Light for seven years.
3. Link A gathers Forest, Fire, and Water medallions. (Lets just say that three days pass. I'm just throwing out a number, though, so don't be offensive if you think it took him longer )
4. Link A replaces the MS and travels to three days after he previously pulled the MS as a kid, creating a "clone."
5. Link A goes to the well and gets the Lens of Truth. (One day passes. Again, random number)
6. Link A pulls MS and returns to one day after he replaced the MS at point 4.
7. Link A gathers Shadow Medallion. (One day passes. You get the drill.)
8. Link A replaces MS and returns to one day after he pulled the MS at point 6.
9. Link A helps Nabooru at the Spirit Temple. (One day passes.)
10. Link A pulls the MS and returns to one day after he replaced it at point 8.
11. Link A gathers Spirit Medallion.
12. Link A seals Ganon.
13. Zelda sends Link back to where he is doing the well or Spirit Temple. Link A now becomes Link B.
Now, this is where it gets confusing. Link A, after being sent back, although he is, in essence, the same person, will now be called Link B so that we can tell Link A and Link B apart. Link A and Link B exist At The Same Time, In the Same Timeline. If you can get that, then you should understand the theory. We will now follow the events of Link B step by step. Please remember that the follow events are happening at the same time in the same timeline as the above events.
1. Link B goes to Zelda in the courtyard. He possibly tells her about the future events to come. That may be how Shiek seems to have near infinite knowledge of Link A's whereabouts.
2. Link B does his own thing in the shadows for a few months
3. Link B borrows Epona while Link A is napping.
4. Link B goes to Termina.
5. Link B returns from Termina three days later and returns Epona to Lon Lon Ranch so Link A will be able to ride her.
6. Link B does his own thing in the shadows while, at the same time, the above events (Link A's actions) are happening.
7. Link A is sent back. He no longer exists in the future after this point. Only Link B is left. He continues into the future until he dies of natural causes (or bigfoot, aliens, or mimes).

 

[Kipobe]

Hey guys,

Zelda is cool

Fin

:heart: Kipobe

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Wow, hippie, never saw it that way.

The creating a double thing is easy to comprehend since it was in BTTF. When Marty went back to 1955 in Pt. II, he didn't replace himself as he was in Pt. I.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

70 hours, I doubt that. Maybe 70 hours if you chase after every single possible thing to do, MAYBE, but I wouldn't expect mostly straight gameplay to take even 50.

9 dungeons? Awesome. Awesome.

5 times the size? So, still tiny, and I suspect smaller than WW as well. A nice increase though over the cramped and bland OOT Hyrule.

According to most if not all journalists playing it as we speak, that figure is a conservative estimate. I'm skeptical, too, but either way we're getting the best game ever.

As for you closing comments, go to hell.

 

[MrHateYourself]

According to most if not all journalists playing it as we speak, that figure is a conservative estimate. I'm skeptical, too, but either way we're getting the best game ever.

As for you closing comments, go to hell.

70 hours would be nice, but big RPGs typically don't even cram that much in....

As for my closing comments, sorry you disagree....but Hyrule was small expanses of hills, a few trees, and a castle. There was nothing in it and nothing even to look at. Small wouldn't be a problem if it had something....and bland, well...that's the N64's hardware's fault really.

 

[hippie_hunter]

....does it really make any difference? He looks the same and plays the same.

I just want to see the Hero of Time's adventures come to a close. The Wind Waker made it seem like there was a specific end for the Hero of Time, also the adult version of the Hero of Time is the only version of Link that has not had a sequel made for him.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

1. Link B goes to Zelda in the courtyard. He possibly tells her about the future events to come. That may be how Shiek seems to have near infinite knowledge of Link A's whereabouts.
2. Link B does his own thing in the shadows for a few months
3. Link B borrows Epona while Link A is napping.
4. Link B goes to Termina.
5. Link B returns from Termina three days later and returns Epona to Lon Lon Ranch so Link A will be able to ride her.
6. Link B does his own thing in the shadows while, at the same time, the above events (Link A's actions) are happening.
7. Link A is sent back. He no longer exists in the future after this point. Only Link B is left. He continues into the future until he dies of natural causes (or bigfoot, aliens, or mimes).

Could #6 include the events of Twilight Princess?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Could #6 include the events of Twilight Princess?

No. If it is the Hero of Time in Twilight Princess, it would take place after the events of Ocarina of Time. Nintendo themselves have said that it takes place after the Ocarina of Time.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, read the IGN preview, it is definetly not the Hero of Time

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Well, read the IGN preview, it is definetly not the Hero of Time

Yeah, it took a while to adjust to the idea of a new Link, but it isn't a bad thing in the least, I just wish that the Hero of Time had a conclusion. He is, after all, the original Link in the timelines, as far as I am concerned. It's strange, though, that this game is reported to take place several decades after MM. If this game is supposed to bridge the gap between Majora's Mask and Wind Waker (and therefore explain how Hyrule was lost in the depths of the sea), I'm not sure how they're going to do it without the Hero of Time.

I happen to agree with your timeline, but the new timeline championed by Zelda enthusiasts now a days is that Minish Cap is first in the timeline.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, it took a while to adjust to the idea of a new Link, but it isn't a bad thing in the least, I just wish that the Hero of Time had a conclusion. He is, after all, the original Link in the timelines, as far as I am concerned. It's strange, though, that this game is reported to take place several decades after MM. If this game is supposed to bridge the gap between Majora's Mask and Wind Waker (and therefore explain how Hyrule was lost in the depths of the sea), I'm not sure how they're going to do it without the Hero of Time.

They did say that the Hero of Time did not show up, allowing Ganondorf to take over. My guess, this Link tries to step up to the Hero of Time's plate but fails.

I happen to agree with your timeline, but the new timeline championed by Zelda enthusiasts now a days is that Minish Cap is first in the timeline.

But the Minish Cap is part of the Four Swords storyline, which I personally don't consider as part of continuity. Also, the game was developed by Flagship, and in my opinion, only the games developed by EAD are in continuity. It all depends on how you view things.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

where do games like Link to the Past, Awakening, Seasons, and Ages fall into this?