Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[TX85]

Then what's this talk about Rock needing him?,Seems he already has a small role in the sequel

 

[Slushy]

Fast Five accounts for nearly three quarters of that money, the 5th film in an already established and successful franchise where he was not the lead

Credit: Box Office Mojo

And this is just the domestic grosses. As a leading actor, The Rock has done pretty well for himself so he didn't need to come back to WWE.

As for Fast Five, it had a domestic gross of $209 million compared to Fast & Furious's gross of $144! And if you think The Rock's involvement didn't play a factor in the jump in profits, you are fu**ing delusional!

Now are you are going to pull put Tatums box office track record

Credit: Box Office Mojo

Again, domestic grosses as a lead actor. Practically an A-Lister now regardless if he sucks as an actor. Ironically, even Channing doesn't think he's good at acting so there you go!

Will Smiths an A lister. He's got a track record of more than a handful of huge hits to point to.

That's only because he knew how to play the system.

 

[Wheels]

Douglas has a teaching degree, so why isn't he doing that? It's better than continuing to beat horse that's been dead for 11 years.

 

[Hunter Rider]

And this is just the domestic grosses. As a leading actor, The Rock has done pretty well for himself so he didn't need to come back to WWE.

As for Fast Five, it had a domestic gross of $209 million compared to Fast & Furious's gross of $144! And if you think The Rock's involvement didn't play a factor in the jump in profits, you are fu**ing delusional!

Only one film with over a $100M gross and that was bolstered by 3D, and I never said he came back for money I said he came back for ego.

No you are the one that is ****ing delusional, the Fast and The Furious franchise was on the up, bigger budget and more established fanbase with a better director and Diesel and Walker back, the numbers are a natural progression for any blockbuster franchise on the up, it had **** all to do with the second tier ex wrestler turned actor being in it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Wheels]

Tite changes hands at ROH TV taping:

Spoiler

Adam Cole just won the ROH TV title from Roderick Strong during the ongoing TV Taping in Baltimore, Maryland. http://www.pwinsider.com/article/69766/big-roh-spoiler.html?p=1

 

[NDX]

Tite changes hands at ROH TV taping:

Spoiler

Adam Cole just won the ROH TV title from Roderick Strong during the ongoing TV Taping in Baltimore, Maryland. http://www.pwinsider.com/article/69766/big-roh-spoiler.html?p=1

Now that's cool. Good to see that come about. He's damn well earned it.

 

[TheFuture]

He never really had any charisma to speak of & wasn't good for anything but a squash match.

Really? Did he never draw in WCW?

 

[Slushy]

No you are the one that is ****ing delusional, the Fast and The Furious franchise was on the up, bigger budget and more established fanbase with a better director and Diesel and Walker back, the numbers are a natural progression for any blockbuster franchise on the up, it had **** all to do with the second tier ex wrestler turned actor being in it.

Considering one of the main reasons people (including myself) went to go watch the movie was to see Vin Diesel fight The Rock, you're wrong, but its okay. You and Metallo hate Dwayne. I get it.

 

[The Chris]

Considering one of the main reasons people (including myself) went to go watch the movie was to see Vin Diesel fight The Rock, you're wrong, but its okay. You and Metallo hate Dwayne. I get it.

Im a rock fan so im biased but I agree with you. I still remember months before it came out how not only my friends but guests at my job would talk about how much they couldnt wait to see rock vs diesel, and how they were more interested in it due to him chasing the main team, and this was about 2 months before his WWE return.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I love The Rock, but I've seen maybe 2 or 3 of his flicks. I would never run out to see any of his movies, but that's me with all flicks. I would never see a flick just for an actor.

 

[Metallo]

Credit: Box Office Mojo

Again, domestic grosses as a lead actor. Practically an A-Lister now regardless if he sucks as an actor. Ironically, even Channing doesn't think he's good at acting so there you go!

And once again you ignore everyone and keep on believing the fantasy. I already pointed out that some of those films are successfully because their budgets are low and they target a particular demograpic. An A lister can draw in various different groups not just broads.

The guy is not an A lister or practically an A lister if his movies only draw in mostly ONE demographic on small budgets. Its easier for a film to turn a profit when the only cost 12 to 25 million. The part YOU LEFT OUT.

Two movies on that list were the biggest hits but GI Joe was NOT the hit Hasbro was hoping for. If it was why would they bring in The Rock to take on more of a leading role over Tatum in the first place? The film was somewhat reworked from the first. You don't do that with an "A listers" HUGE drawing hit.

Jumpstreet had the biggest return on Investment because I think it cost under 50 million. Not the ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLAR pricetag of Joe. GI Joe brought in 150 million dollars domestic. Thats SOFT compared to its budget. Not the drawing power of a guy who is "practically an A lister. But lets see how you spin THE FACTS on this one.

150 million domestic is not a success on a 175 million dollar budget no matter how many ways you try to spin it. The thing that made Joe a modest success is that it made as much overseas as it did in The States.

The Eagle was a box office FAILURE. The guy doesn't have a long enough string of hits behind him in (even WITH the chick ficks) to be considered an A lister. And most of the films he's starred in haven't even been closse being pop culture phenoms like an Iron Man or Top Gun or Men In Black.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Considering one of the main reasons people (including myself) went to go watch the movie was to see Vin Diesel fight The Rock, you're wrong, but its okay. You and Metallo hate Dwayne. I get it.

The irony! So all you Dwayne fanatics went to see it and caused the box office, but apparently none of you bothered ordering his first wrestling match in 7 years!

 

[Superark]

I don't want to get into the whole Rock movie star debate (though I share Metallo and Hunter's POV) but I did want to mention one thing about him.

I HATE the People's Elbow! I think that is is one of the dumbest & most illogical moves ever.

 

[Superark]

I was just thinking, my guess is that Austin will be the Raw GM for the 1000th episode.

Also since GI Joe has been pushed back to Mania time, they should do The Rock and Snake Eyes vs Triple H and Storm Shadow!

This would be the perfect guest GM. I cannot think of one of the person other than Vince who has been more important to the history of RAW than Stone Cold.

 

[The Sage]

The Rock is a bigger star than Brock Lesnar and Brock owed a job to John.

The Rock's the bigger star he's part timer who shows up once a year. Lesnar is contracted to make appearances all the way until Wrestlemania next year. They could've gotten more miles out of him and could've made more money using him than the Rock. And letting him destroy Cena could've kicked it off.

As for owing jobs, Cena was a green rookie when they wrestled each other, that doesn't count. And business is business, and having Cena beat Lesnar in a long term plan wasn't smart, just like letting Rock beating him in the long-term hasn't proven to be smart either.

 

[The Sage]

Channum Tatum is considered an A-Lister in Hollywood? Has it really gotten that bad?

That guy obviously started watching during the attitude era--probably before he hit puberty. Theres so much there thats not accurate and he's not even giving the whole picture of that period when Cena got elevated. The people DID like him...but the real problem is WWE had done their fair share to torpedo the talent system and there weren't many others for the people TO choose from that were ready.

Cena was popular AND reliable. And its rarely every ONLY about what the people want but who management and the other talent see something in. Hogan didn't get handed the top spot ONLY because the people wanted him. Austin was one of the few who was truly pushed on Vince by the people alone.

Cena was also hungrier than almost anyone else. If he didn't have the fire in him to work hard for the top spot Vince wouldn't have kept him in it long. The guy is more dedicated than most.

And I know the man wasn't shoved down throats during his rise because I watched the guy from is debut until his main-event arrival. The crowd wasn't sitting on their hands when he came out. His Dr. Thuganomics character pushed him to the top. It wasn't random, it wasn't some Bobby Lashley stuff in which they kept pushing despite no one caring.

Now, they might have screwed up his character after he became champion by making the Marine milk and cookies babyface, but that's another discussion.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The Rock is not even a top action star as he has no iconic action character like Stallone, Willis and Arnold have had. However, I don't hate the Rock. There is another side to this: there is a reason he's not an A-List star and its due to his association with pro wrestling. Even though he had not done any pro wrestling of any kind for seven years before his return at Wrestlemania 27, he still had that stigma of being a pro wrestler (excuse me "Sports Entertainer"). People knew him from WWE, and no matter what he did (like trying to go under his birth name of Dwayne Johnson) or how long he stayed away from the WWE, Hollywood will always associate him with the WWE. Hollywood looks down on WWE with venom and hatred and doesn't want anybody in the WWE involved with the Screen Actors Guild, even if Vince (or Triple H) allows them to unionize.

Same could be said for Stacy Keibler, but she's not really an actress. She's only George Clooney's latest squeeze who will dump her when she starts talking about marriage. The Rock is mostly an actor, however, the stigma of Pro Wrestling will always be there.

If it had not been for that stigma, I think he would have headlined his own film franchise from the start, instead of latching onto already existing film franchises like Journey 2, GI Joe and Fast Five. To me, that signals that Hollywood doesn't really trust him to headline his own film franchise from scratch. I think it's because he's not that good of an actor (which he isn't) and the continued stigma that Hollywood has on pro wrestling (WWE).

However, lack of acting talent hasn't prevented Channing Tatum, any one of Adam Sandler's regular co-stars, Jay Mohr (although he's a very funny stand-up comic), Jamie Kennedy, George Lopez and many other no talent hacks from getting film and TV roles.

To me it's all about the stigma of being a sports entertainer. I think that has affected the Rock's film career more than his lack of talent on screen. To Hollywood he will always be associated with the WWE, which means that they don't really trust him to be the main guy in a film franchise. They will always cast him in a supporting role or have him fill in for the franchise's original star.

Hollywood will cast pro wrestlers in supporting roles or in minor roles in big blockbusters. They will never cast them to be the main star. It's due to that stigma.

Channing Tatum is not an A-List star. The soon to be divorced Scientologist Tom Cruise is A-List. Tatum is at best a B-Lister. For Tatum to be an A-List guy, his films need to be consistent box office successes (ala Will Smith).

(waits to be heavily bashed for this opinion)..............

 

[Dr. Evil]

Except for Bateman vs. Curtis 1,000, NXT was pretty good this week.

 

[chamber-music]

Channum Tatum is considered an A-Lister in Hollywood? Has it really gotten that bad?

Hollywoods been short on Young American leading men for a while so they have been trying to make guys like Channing Tatum movie stars.

Tatum was good in a guide to recognizing your saints but thats about it. His performance in 21 jump street is overrated.

How and why has the wrestling thread turned into a debate about Channing Tatum anyway?

 

[Slushy]

The irony! So all you Dwayne fanatics went to see it and caused the box office, but apparently none of you bothered ordering his first wrestling match in 7 years!

　
Considering he was wrestling The freaking MIz, a lot of us were smarter than to order a $45 show headlined by a throwaway main event!

And once again you ignore everyone and keep on believing the fantasy.

Unlike you, I tend to give credit where credit is due instead of downplaying everything.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Considering he was wrestling The freaking MIz, a lot of us were smarter than to order a $45 show headlined by a throwaway main event!

It's The Rock! though, the greatest star ever in your eyes, he can draw by just standing in a ring picking his nose, people were all talking about what might go down between him and John Cena at the worlds greatest arena, yet none of you bought it and then make the bogus claim he's the reason that an established and growing Hollywood franchise drew a few extra million. His match with Cena drew less than Cena's match with HBK and barely passed Mania's headlined by HHH vs Orton and Edge vs Taker.

 

[The Sage]

Hollywoods been short on Young American leading men for a while so they have been trying to make guys like Channing Tatum movie stars.

Tatum was good in a guide to recognizing your saints but thats about it. His performance in 21 jump street is overrated.

How and why has the wrestling thread turned into a debate about Channing Tatum anyway?

Someone were saying that Rock is a draw in Hollywood, but then someone threw out Tatum is a draw over Rock in the GI Joe sequel. I'd have to go back re-read the whole argument.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I never understood the argument over who was the bigger draw.Is there really a scientific way to find out who drew more than another wrestler?There's like a bunch of other factors that can play into buyrates.For example who knows if people are buying shows for just one person?Some people could be buying shows just to see Hornswoggle.It never really made sense to me.

 

[Wheels]

Well people use Rock's drawing power as justification for Rock not putting anyone over since he's been back. Acting like his mere presence is doing so much for the business. When iyou look at the buyrates and TV ratings of the shows Rock has been on, he's not delivering.