Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[E-Man]

Still talking about The Rock in here? Guess I'll contribute since the arguments in here are much better than WWE tv nowadays. All I gotta say is...

[YT]Mr8glaM4ruM[/YT]

 

[Metallo]

Your Wrasslor/Savage avy is more awesome than Rocks catchprasent at this point. Thats all I gotta say.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Don't even go there. The man put in 7 straight years of his life to this business then took his career and fame that he built in the WWE to make a career beyond it that helps feed it from the outside! I think to not recognize him for what he is and what he has given and continues to give back to the company should absolutely be respected just as much as a guy who comes back for one month a year to defend "The Streak".

I can't believe you are trying to sell the notion that The Rock and his B movie career has done anything for the WWE, for starters he dropped his name and distanced himself from the business, and "He gave 7 years", wow! He wrestled because he failed as a football player, he did a job like everyone else, guys have given 25 years and still given back when they came back, not come back and get an ego stroke at the expense of the current franchise.

Might I also add The Rock did more to put over people than Stone Cold and Triple H put together. (Foley, Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Lesnar, Goldberg. FFS he even lost to the Hurricane!)

********! Triple H lost clean at Mania to Benoit, Batista and Cena, two of which were the companies top stars post attitude era, he made one and cemented the other. Foley put The Rock over, not the other way around. Jobbing to Goldberg and Lesnar meant nothing as he was leaving, it's easy to be mr job guy when you have a $5M per movie deal waiting. Jericho I'll give you as he lost a clean fall to him, he beat Benoit every time it mattered so no. He didn't put Angle over clean and beat him in their only other PPV match.

I just read the SD spoilers. Now did my eyes deceive me or is [blackout]Tyson Kidd[/blackout] actually going to be in the match? Also it's a shame that [blackout]Ziggler[/blackout] is not in either mitb match

The first name was a really pleasent surprise, I think there is still room to add more to both MITB matches.

Superb!

Still talking about The Rock in here? Guess I'll contribute since the arguments in here are much better than WWE tv nowadays. All I gotta say is...

[YT]Mr8glaM4ruM[/YT]

 

[Dr. Evil]

- Word is that DirecTV has no interest in carrying the WWE Network, which would knock about 30% of its potential revenue off. There's been talk that very few cable carriers are committing to paying a per subscriber rate for WWE's Network, which is what the company was counting on for profitability. The alternative is to be like HBO or Showtime and charge a subscription fee directly to consumers.

There's still no official word on when the Network will launch but they cut a new commercial for it this past week that should begin airing soon.

Lack of interest from Direct TV is not a good sign.

 

[Metallo]

I think everybody would like to ring AJ Lee's bell. Fill her void. Teach her their french flipper tri---wha?

********! Triple H lost clean at Mania to Benoit, Batista and Cena, two of which were the companies top stars post attitude era, he made one and cemented the other. Foley put The Rock over, not the other way around. Jobbing to Goldberg and Lesnar meant nothing as he was leaving, it's easy to be mr job guy when you have a $5M per movie deal waiting. Jericho I'll give you as he lost a clean fall to him, he beat Benoit every time it mattered so no. He didn't put Angle over clean and beat him in their only other PPV match.

Foley did more to put rising stars over or take guys to the next level than almost anyone else at the time--including the Rock.

Taker, Michaels, HHH, Edge, Orton, Sting, Rock, Vader, etc. all looked better somehow after working with Foley. The punishment Foley took in the I Quit match with the Rock to make him look like a great heel can't be commended enough.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The WWE's hope for their own network = NFL Network

The likely outcome of the WWE Network = Either dies before it launches or ends up like Oprah Network

 

[E-Man]

Your Wrasslor/Savage avy is more awesome than Rocks catchprasent at this point. Thats all I gotta say.

Oh mah gawd! He stole Stone Cold's catch phrase. STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD! SKITTLES!

 

[Metallo]

Oh mah gawd! He stole Stone Cold's catch phrase. STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD! SKITTLES!

 

[X Knight]

isn't this AJ from last RAW??!!

 

[Metallo]

Yup. Drink it in.

 

[Slushy]

or are you gonna try to argue Rocks's an A lister too?

He's been the lead actor of the several mainstream movies that have grossed over 1 BILLION dollars. I rest my case.

********! Triple H lost clean at Mania to Benoit, Batista and Cena, two of which were the companies top stars post attitude era, he made one and cemented the other. Foley put The Rock over, not the other way around. Jobbing to Goldberg and Lesnar meant nothing as he was leaving, it's easy to be mr job guy when you have a $5M per movie deal waiting. Jericho I'll give you as he lost a clean fall to him, he beat Benoit every time it mattered so no. He didn't put Angle over clean and beat him in their only other PPV match.

Foley - The Rock dropped the title to him and made him a credible champion during their excellent feud.

Angle - The original plan was to keep the title on The Rock until Wrestlemania, but he felt it is better to drop the title to someone (Kurt Angle in this case, which was his first huge main event program) who will benefit from it while he is involved in Who ran over Austin storyline so he dropped the title to Kurt.

Benoit - Worked a main event program with him then lost to him via submission 2 years later. IIRC Austin never lost to Benoit and while HHH did put over Benoit clean, it wasn't one on one, and made the champion look like an afterthought afterwards as Hunter was still the focus of RAW (Kind of like what Cena is doing now to Punk)

Jericho - He lost to him on THREE PPVs (two of which were dropping the WCW Championship). Would Austin or Helmsley have done that? Hell no!

Lesnar - He made Brock Lesnar look like a million bucks at SummerSlam by making him the youngest WWE Champion ever as Stone Cold walked out and Triple H was ducking him and had Brock moved to SD.

Goldberg - The Rock was a major reason why Goldberg got signed to WWE to begin with (he talked him into it) and it was his idea to lose to Goldberg. Bill got his first huge win in WWE because of The Rock and it established him as a major player. Again, Austin avoided him while Triple H went on to kill his momentum afterwards.





Seriously, Rock is one of the most unselfish guys in WWE history who helped build stars and only refused to job once (to Booker in 2003) and yet when Vince decides to throw an old dog a bone that he tends to do with his veterans, Rock is lambasted as the worst compared to the other main event guys. Some of you guys are unbelievable.

 

[bullets]

I was gonna say something about The Rock but... uh... my goodness.

 

[X Knight]

Yup. Drink it in.

 

[Metallo]

He's been the lead actor of the several mainstream movies that have grossed over 1 BILLION dollars. I rest my case.

Maybe if you add all the mediocre break even ones together. If you think Rock is an A lister (as in the league of Will Smith or Tom Cruise) I've got a bridge to sell you. He was not THE lead in Fast Five. That franchise had been going for a decade. Journey 2 was a sequel to a movie that was already a hit. Rocks coattail riding Hollywood career matches that of his wrestling career.

He certainly didn't single handedly star in beloved action hits the way Stallone or Arnold did. THOSE guys were A list action stars in their primes. Rocks never been on that level.

Foley - The Rock dropped the title to him and made him a credible champion during their excellent feud.

AFTER Foley and others helped make Rock a legit midcard and main event star. Foley did for Rock before Rock did for Foley.

Angle - The original plan was to keep the title on The Rock until Wrestlemania, but he felt it is better to drop the title to someone (Kurt Angle in this case, which was his first huge main event program) who will benefit from it while he is involved in Who ran over Austin storyline so he dropped the title to Kurt.

Benoit - Worked a main event program with him then lost to him via submission 2 years later. IIRC Austin never lost to Benoit and while HHH did put over Benoit clean, it wasn't one on one, and made the champion look like an afterthought afterwards as Hunter was still the focus of RAW (Kind of like what Cena is doing now to Punk)

Jericho - He lost to him on THREE PPVs (two of which were dropping the WCW Championship). Would Austin or Helmsley have done that? Hell no!

Lesnar - He made Brock Lesnar look like a million bucks at SummerSlam by making him the youngest WWE Champion ever as Stone Cold walked out and Triple H was ducking him and had Brock moved to SD.

Goldberg - The Rock was a major reason why Goldberg got signed to WWE to begin with (he talked him into it) and it was his idea to lose to Goldberg. Bill got his first huge win in WWE because of The Rock and it established him as a major player. Again, Austin avoided him while Triple H went on to kill his momentum afterwards.

Even Hogan put Lesnar over clean so thats not exactly a novel claim. Hunter answered most of those others already. Like Hunter said Rock was on the way out for a while. A lot easier to be "giving" and lose when you are leaving for a break.

Seriously, Rock is one of the most unselfish guys in WWE history who helped build stars and only refused to job once (to Booker in 2003) and yet when Vince decides to throw an old dog a bone that he tends to do with his veterans, Rock is lambasted as the worst compared to the other main event guys. Some of you guys are unbelievable.

Again "what have you done for me lately?" Just because a guy does some jobs TEN YEARS AGO it doesn't mean he should be able to come back and win over the top guy after the better part of a decade being gone. Hogan didn't beat Rock and at least HE came back and worked full time schedule in 2002. Flair made a career of jobbing to elevate others. Those guys are legends too.

Hell Bret Hart did just as much for guys beneath him as anyone and he didn't have anyones coattails to ride to the top and got treated worse by Vince than The Rock ever was. Doesn't men Bret is owed a "bone."

Rock said he came to "give back." Seems like all he did was get served on his return.

You're unbelievable if you think Rock deserves special treatment over others. Nobody is lambasting him any more than any other returning legend. He doesn't "deserve" any more or less than any other top guy.

 

[Metallo]

I'd like a big gulp of AJ Lee myself. You can tell creative is high on her right now.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Still talking about The Rock in here? Guess I'll contribute since the arguments in here are much better than WWE tv nowadays. All I gotta say is...

[YT]Mr8glaM4ruM[/YT]

Yah, pretty much this.

 

[TX85]

I don't have cable anymore But was thinking of getting DirecTV again for the WWE Network since I owe Time Warner an amount and so I guess my only chance is Dish!

 

[Anno_Domini]

I don't have cable anymore But was thinking of getting DirecTV again for the WWE Network since I owe Time Warner an amount and so I guess my only chance is Dish!

Would it be bad to say that I don't really care about the WWE Network? Lol.

 

[TX85]

Nope,I personally do cause the concept is awesome to me and I'd be hook watching old matches&stuff as much as I can all day/every day(even IF I've seen many of them hundreds of times already)!!

I'm just interested in the library and the only show I might check out is Legends House&IF they bring back Legends Round Table!

 

[Pink Ranger]

I like to watch classic matches, but for me that's what youtube is for. When I look at classic matches, I'm generally looking for something specific, if not a specific match, then a specific talent (i.e. when I'm in the mood for old Jake Roberts promos, or Ricky Steamboat matches). I'm not the type of fan who'd turn on a 24/7 wrestling channel at a random time and watch whatever's on.

Even if WWE Network was free, I don't expect I'd actually watch it that much, unless Raw and Smackdown moved there.

 

[Superark]

None of that makes ANY sense. Seems like now they are trying to do a patchjob because they didn't have anything about this story planned out.

It's been a stupid storyline from the start and now I hope they can move on now that the "secrets" are out.

They should have just told "Serge"

Seeeerge.

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Haha, you will forever be on my good side for this!

 

[Wheels]

NXT 6/27/12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z0-Su_700g&feature=g-all-u

 

[Superark]

credit www.Prowrestling.net

TNA Conference Call: Austin Aries teases new X Division wrestlers and returning talent, changes he's made in his second run with the company, the prestige of the X Division, what's different about ROH today compared when he was with the company
Jun 28, 2012 - 01:32 PM ​

TNA held media conference call with Austin Aries on Thursday, June 28 to promote the TNA Destination X pay-per-view. The following are the highlights of the call.

-TNA's Chris Thomas opened the conference call and touted the TNA Destination X pay-per-view, which takes place on July 8. He noted that they were holding the call earlier than usual due to the July 4 holiday next week. Thomas promoted tonight's Impact Wrestling television show. Thomas also revealed three new pay-per-view matches for Destination X (see the main page).

-Aries was asked about changes between his first run and his current run. He said he was able to step back and learn from his first run with the company. He said the company is giving him a chance this time around and he's letting his work speak for itself.

-Aries was asked about auditioning for WWE Tough Enough. He said he was dealing with a talent agency and not with the company itself. He compared it to acting in that sometimes you get the part and sometimes you don't.

-A caller was asked what made him want to go back to TNA. He said you don't always get second chances and he wanted to take advantage of that. "It was a pay day and I didn't have anything going on that week, so I figured why not I've got nothing to lose," Aries said.

-Aries was asked whether he would prefer to work with X Division wrestlers or heavyweight wrestlers. He said he feels comfortable with anybody in the ring.

-Regarding Impact going live, Aries said he feels everyone amps it up an extra notch because the show is live. He said he hopes it continues beyond the summer.

-Aries was asked about wrestlers he would like to see join the roster. He mentioned Rhett Titus, Kenny King, and Grizzly Redwood. He noted that he trained Titus and Grizzly. He said they have something to offer in the ring and in the locker room.

-A caller asked if there's a moment that stands out most to him in his TNA run this far. He said the securing his contract during his second run was a big moment. He said there were no promises and he was able to step up.

-Aries was asked whether he feels it is important to showcase the X Division in pay-per-view and television main events more often or if he's comfortable with the current setup. He said there will always be some debate regarding whether the division is a top championship or a secondary championship. He feels the Destination X setup is a step in the right direction and he leaves those calls to the company's decision makers.

-Aries was asked if there's anyone in particular that he would like to see become the face of the X Division now that he's stepping aside. He said he felt Chris Sabin was ready to step up and resume his singles career if it wasn't for his injury. He feels Jesse Sorensen was also on the path before he suffered his neck injury. He teased that there will be new X Division talent and names from the past returning as they head into the pay-per-view. He said he hopes someone steps up like he did.

-It was noted that the X Division Title belt's prestige was raised during his reign. He was asked what the company can do to make sure the title remains as important. He said he feels the championship is only as important as the guy who holds it. He recalled joking recently that he rubs belt, they don't rub him. He said it's about having quality talent and competition. He said there have been injuries and departures, and the division became a little less competitive that he hoped it would be. He said there are efforts to restock it and so it's a matter of accumulating talent and letting the best guys get ahead. "I'm a big proponent of that," Aries said about giving guys the ball and seeing if they can carry it.

-A caller asked what changed about Ring of Honor that led to him being critical of it. He said that he didn't want to get into talking about other companies on a TNA conference call, but he noted that the people who had the original passion and energy are no longer there. He said that's what separated Ring of Honor from the pack previously and he doesn't know if that exists today.

-Aries was asked about TNA's shift to using elements of reality television. He said it's a slippery slope. He feels there are elements they can use and pull the curtain back a bit, but he said they should only want to pull the curtain back so much. "The bottom line is I don't think we want to put a product out there that looks over produced," Aries said. He said he wants to see guys sound like themselves and he feels they have the talent to pull that off.

-Aries was asked about being vilified at times during his career. He said it's nice to get a chance to show "some people and some places" what he can do when he's given the chance. He said his second run with the company has allowed him to prove some of the things he's said. "I've always been a polarizing figure," he said. "I have a strong personality." He said he's comfortable with who he is. "If you're not stirring the pot a little bit and you're not making people nervous, then you're not doing something right."

-A caller mentioned that Aries was trained by Eddie Sharkey and Terry Funk. Aries said the thing he learned the most were respecting the business and the basics. He said neither guy was going to go out there and have a five-star match, so they focussed on the basics. He said Eddie is as carney as it gets. "I got a glimpse at maybe the old guard of wrestling," Aries said. He noted that the things that were pounded home were "basics, basics, basics, and respect, respect, respect." He said you need a foundation to build a house.

-Aries was asked which wrestlers influenced him. He noted that Jerry Lynn and Sean Waltman came out of the Twin Cities like he did and they were inspirations to a lot of the smaller guys. He also mentioned the Four Horsemen and the Midnight Express when he was younger, and Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, and Chris Benoit as he got older. He said it was the guys who felt the most believable and had the most conviction in what they were doing.

-Aries said he has absolutely changed his style as he's gotten older. He noted that he's phased out the 450 splash and saves it for special occasions whereas it was a regular finisher for him previously. He said he's tried not to be pigeonholed into a cruiserweight style because your career is essentially over you lose your athleticism goes.

-Aries noted that he only lives 90 minutes from Orlando so it's nice to be close to home, but he feels they need to take the show on the road for growth. He said the crowds in Orlando have improved since they've gone live.

-Aries was asked what it means to main event his first TNA pay-per-view. He said he has main evented elsewhere and will have the same mindset. He said he hopes he and Bobby Roode will bring the best out of one another. "It's my time to put up or shut up and I'm looking forward to that opportunity," he said.

-A caller noted that a number of TNA wrestlers are going to be working for Pro Wrestling Noah. He was asked whether he'd like to see talent from Noah come to TNA. He said it would be great even if it's for a short run. "If I was making that decision, it's something I would definitely explore," Aries said.

 

[TX85]

Great read!

 

[TX85]

I like to watch classic matches, but for me that's what youtube is for. When I look at classic matches, I'm generally looking for something specific, if not a specific match, then a specific talent (i.e. when I'm in the mood for old Jake Roberts promos, or Ricky Steamboat matches). I'm not the type of fan who'd turn on a 24/7 wrestling channel at a random time and watch whatever's on.

Even if WWE Network was free, I don't expect I'd actually watch it that much, unless Raw and Smackdown moved there.

Yeah true But personally I prefer to be chilling on my bed and watching them on my big HD TV than sitting on my computer chair or side of my bed watching it on my computer monitor!

But then again..Youtube is on PS3&Now Xbox lol,So your right!!