🇪🇺 Discussion: The European Union

I had a friend just tell me that unlike Americans, quote "we don't practice that race crap in Europe." And then I find this clip from where he lives.

:facepalm:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIr3HV-TuOs
 
What are everyone's thoughts on former British Prime Minister Tony Blair? I just saw that he came out with a book and is planning to donate the proceeds to charity. I like the guy...but he's long been rumored to be the british equivalent on George W. Bush.
Blair simply had a pro-American foreign policy and Bush respected that deeply. But politically, they aren't at all similar. Tony Blair is a part of the Labour Party which is essentially the closest equivalent to the Democratic Party in the United Kingdom.
 
I had a friend just tell me that unlike Americans, quote "we don't practice that race crap in Europe." And then I find this clip from where he lives.

:facepalm:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIr3HV-TuOs
Racial problems in Europe are far worse than that of the United States. Particularly that with European Muslims.
 
This shouldn't come as much of a surprise, since Europe has had bad relations with Islam for quite a few centuries longer than the US. Despite popular belief, Europe is not a utopia of tolerance and compassion. People will be people, and when people get scared enough to act on their fear it's quite likely that they will take things quite a bit farther than what's reasonable. Being scared is not a trait that is exclusive to any country, and it's not one that we will likely ever see the human race move beyond.
 
Islam has become a hot button issue in The Netherlands and France as of late. Gert Wilders is a Dutch Politician who is 100% anti-Islam and his sentiment seems to be growing in the Netherlands.
 
Blair simply had a pro-American foreign policy and Bush respected that deeply. But politically, they aren't at all similar. Tony Blair is a part of the Labour Party which is essentially the closest equivalent to the Democratic Party in the United Kingdom.

That's what I thought, but people seem to keep throwing around 'W Bush' comparisons.
 
I've also read about issues in Belgium between Walloon and Flanders.
 
Islam has become a hot button issue in The Netherlands and France as of late. Gert Wilders is a Dutch Politician who is 100% anti-Islam and his sentiment seems to be growing in the Netherlands.

The fortunate thing about the Netherlands is that it's a very open society. There are Muslim TV Shows, public access shows catered to Algerians/Moroccans, Turks, etc. I have visited the Netherlands many times and have even been to small villages in the North and South of the country I have to say most people are not racist towards them.

Interestingly though, they still have refugee camps there and there are distinctly Arab, Kurdish, & Turkish neighborhoods in Den Haag, Rotterdam and elsewhere. Due to a decrease in the native Dutch population, there is now integration of these refugees in small villages across the countryside.

I do have to say though the welfare system there promotes lots of welfare recipients.
 
I've also read about issues in Belgium between Walloon and Flanders.

And here's the latest on that:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100905/wl_afp/belgiumpolitics

BRUSSELS (AFP) – A top Belgian politician warned the country's citizens on Sunday to "get ready for the break-up of Belgium," as King Albert II seeks to relaunch knife-edge coalition talks.

Leading francophone Socialist Laurette Onkelinx, considered a potential successor to party chief Elio Di Rupo, who gave up on negotiations with separatist Flemish leaders on Friday, gave her prognosis in a newspaper interview.

"Let's hope it doesn't come to that because if we split, it will be the weakest who will pay the heaviest price," she told La Derniere Heure. "On the other hand, we can no longer ignore that among a large part of the Flemish population, it's their wish.

"So yes, we have to get ready for the break-up of Belgium. Otherwise we're cooked.

"When I look at the letters I receive, loads of people think it's possible. (Our) politicians have to be prepared," underlined the current caretaker federal minister for health and social affairs.

Albert II tasked late on Saturday the respective speakers of Belgium's French-speaking Wallonia and Dutch-speaking Flanders state parliaments to try once more to navigate seven-party talks aimed at securing some form of government, other than the existing day-to-day formation.

That came after seven weeks of efforts by Di Rupo, who says that the biggest Flemish party, the independence-minded New Flemish Alliance (N-VA), rejected the widest set of concessions towards full autonomy for Flanders in Belgium's tortured recent history.

Belgium, which holds the rotating presidency of the European Union until the end of the year, adding a further layer to the pressure on the sovereign, has not been able to point to a stable government since June 2007.

The stark comments from Onkelinx followed those of another leading francophone Socialist, Philippe Moureaux, who has said Belgium was on the verge of a "progressive organisation of separation."

Formerly taboo among the poorer francophone parts of Belgium, the prospect of going it alone is no longer considered so -- with a third senior official, the head of the Wallonia state government, Rudy Demotte, also telling RTBF radio that "all options" are now open.

Demotte added that Wallonia and the capital region of Brussels, the third federal state and increasingly the focus of arguments about financial settlements, had the wherewithal "to see what we can do ourselves without waiting for tomorrow."

While located within Flanders' borders, Brussels is officially bi-lingual, although recent studies have shown accelerating numbers of registered French speakers, including the nearly one-in-three who hail from abroad.

Tens of thousands of Flemish people, meanwhile, took part on Sunday in an annual demonstration which consists in symbolically "encircling" Brussels by bike or on foot, to remind locals that they are surrounded by Flanders.
 
Belgium's debt as a percentage of their GDP in 2009 was 96.7%. That should be reason alone. Belgium is the 3rd worse with only Greece and Italy overcoming them.
 
The fortunate thing about the Netherlands is that it's a very open society. There are Muslim TV Shows, public access shows catered to Algerians/Moroccans, Turks, etc. I have visited the Netherlands many times and have even been to small villages in the North and South of the country I have to say most people are not racist towards them.

Interestingly though, they still have refugee camps there and there are distinctly Arab, Kurdish, & Turkish neighborhoods in Den Haag, Rotterdam and elsewhere. Due to a decrease in the native Dutch population, there is now integration of these refugees in small villages across the countryside.

I do have to say though the welfare system there promotes lots of welfare recipients.

You mean they actually have to create refugee camps in order to handle the levels of Middle Eastern immigration?
 
Belgium's debt as a percentage of their GDP in 2009 was 96.7%. That should be reason alone. Belgium is the 3rd worse with only Greece and Italy overcoming them.

The relative debt of a country doesn't say that much. It's way too complex.
 
According to the AP, Ireland is applying for a financial bailout from the European Union.
 
I had a friend just tell me that unlike Americans, quote "we don't practice that race crap in Europe." And then I find this clip from where he lives.

:facepalm:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIr3HV-TuOs
EDL is treated like a bunch of right wing nutters. They are not taken seriously. They are mostly poorly educated white unemployed young men who blame immigrants for them not having work or homes and stuff.

They don't represent the majority view anymore than the Klu Klux Klan represent the majority view in America.
Blair simply had a pro-American foreign policy and Bush respected that deeply. But politically, they aren't at all similar. Tony Blair is a part of the Labour Party which is essentially the closest equivalent to the Democratic Party in the United Kingdom.

People didn't like Blair because he was constantly lying. Even people in his own political party didn't like him because of it and there was alot of political infighting in the party that got in the way of running the country which is why blair had to stand down.

Blair sideing with Bush over people in his own country who elected him is what annoyed most people.
 
EDL is treated like a bunch of right wing nutters. They are not taken seriously. They are mostly poorly educated white unemployed young men who blame immigrants for them not having work or homes and stuff.

They don't represent the majority view anymore than the Klu Klux Klan represent the majority view in America.


People didn't like Blair because he was constantly lying. Even people in his own political party didn't like him because of it and there was alot of political infighting in the party that got in the way of running the country which is why blair had to stand down.

Blair sideing with Bush over people in his own country who elected him is what annoyed most people.

Sounds familiar...
 
People didn't like Blair because he was constantly lying. Even people in his own political party didn't like him because of it and there was alot of political infighting in the party that got in the way of running the country which is why blair had to stand down.

Blair sideing with Bush over people in his own country who elected him is what annoyed most people.

I'm just simply saying that politically, Blair and Bush have nothing in common. In terms of effectiveness though......, yeah, it's pretty much what you said :o
 
Europe is being pulled and pushed by both devolution and supranationalism.....you have large groups on the side of a more unified Europe and a dozen different groups pushing separatist movements.....

All of this along with HUGE economic problems in Greece, Spain, Italy and Ireland.....

Europe is in for a VERY LONG 2nd decade of the 21st Century...
 
Yeah, Europe is screwed. I think that Asia (primarily Japan, China, and India) has essentially replaced Europe in terms of importance and power now with Europe becoming more and more irrelevant.
 
Europe is being pulled and pushed by both devolution and supranationalism.....you have large groups on the side of a more unified Europe and a dozen different groups pushing separatist movements.....

All of this along with HUGE economic problems in Greece, Spain, Italy and Ireland.....

Europe is in for a VERY LONG 2nd decade of the 21st Century...

Plus the leaders are losing in popularity. France's Sarkozy is likely to face opposition in 2012, when he's up for re-election. Italy's Silvio Berlusconi could be voted out as early as next month and there's also doubt about Zapatero (Spain), Papandreou (Greece) and Socrates (Portugal). Merkel's popularity I hear is waning in Germany.
 
Plus the leaders are losing in popularity. France's Sarkozy is likely to face opposition in 2012, when he's up for re-election. Italy's Silvio Berlusconi could be voted out as early as next month and there's also doubt about Zapatero (Spain), Papandreou (Greece) and Socrates (Portugal). Merkel's popularity I hear is waning in Germany.


As long as Sarkozy is strong on immigration, he will be fine...Berlusconi should have been voted out awhile ago.


France economy wise is in better shape than the other countries. France owns its own debt, so as of right now they are much safer than the other countries of the EU.
 
Most of Ireland does not want this bailout, despite being bullied into this. It would cuff them up into financial and debt slavery, they are better off weathering the storm. It's that bad. So bad that you have both hardcore Austrians and even Keynesians like Krugman (near idealogical opposites) against it. And it is someone else's problem being laid on them, namely the dumbass gambling European banks.

If they get the bailout, they should overthrow their god damn government, because it would be a giant travesty.
 

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