🇬🇧 Discussion: UK Politics

[chamber-music]

I hate the Torry's have actually went off Labour a lot recently as well but if you told me I had to pick one of the Torry's as the next prime minister I would probably choose Mogg. For all his failings he is a rather straight talker and honestly that's what a lot of people want.

Had a delivery to a big building site earlier and was talking to a few of the lads who've taken an interest in it. All working class guys who had a good laugh at him. Best one I heard (that I can post) was "he looks like a Jeeves" . They all said the same as me though that they would rather have him than May because even if you don't agree with him he gives to you straight.

Mogg may be a straight talker but he strikes me as someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone but himself and his supporters which is a big problem for a Prime Minister who is supposed to serve the interests of the UK. Every interview he gives is from the position of himself and his followers with anyone disagreeing with him being wrong. Mogg is a ideologue. Someone with such a rigid myopic world view would be a terrible leader. Mogg is the bizarro Corbyn. Both are too enamoured with their own beliefs to be good objective leaders.

Former soldier turned Tory MP Johnny Mercer is more credible. Mercer is a straight talker and called the current government a s*** show. Mercer has also said he came into politics with two objectives: to improve mental health provision and address the plight of veterans and their families. Three and a half years on, he says with resignation that he has “singularly failed in both of those missions”. From the time he became a MP he was being labelled a potential future Prime Minister which obviously made him a target of jealousy in his own party. Mercer isn't afraid to cross the party divide and voiced disgust at the anti-semitic/sexist abuse Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. Sadly Mercer seems disillusioned with the current Tory party and probably won't run for election again.

 

[Mandon Knight]

If it were me and picking a new leader, IF May were to resign/be removed/lose an electoral vote, I would all in my power at Tory HQ to get Davidson down from Scotland as new leader in Westminster. She has on many occasion said she would wish to remain leader just in Scotland alone but who knows, her stance may change.

 

[kit1982]

Imagine if this government actually had a credible opposition?

On Mogg the best description I heard of him is he's what a stupid person imagines an intelligent person should be like. He's not a straight talker he just whines jingoistic nonsense from the sidelines like Farage, he wouldn't know what to do if he had to lead.

+1 for the Davidson suggestion, every inch an impressive leader.

 

[Mandon Knight]

+1 for the Davidson suggestion, every inch an impressive leader.

There isn't a Tory voting/supporting bone in my body, (would never vote for them) but as I say, if were me in their position, she is the singular strongest option and 'likeable' as a person, which given you are standing as leader for the 'nasty' party is a start. In interview she always appears 'in charge' of her views, does not attempt to worm her way round the issue of what she's being asked and is someone who strikes me as being as reasonably aware of how tough life REALLY is in the real world that most Tories have zero concept of and especially Rees-Mogg.

 

[kit1982]

Im the same mate, have been predominantly labour but now find myself politically homeless.

She speaks with such authority ,doesn't just tow the party line and doesn't seem to have the contempt for us plebs that the likes of May, Bojo and JRM do.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Im the same mate, have been predominantly labour but now find myself politically homeless.

She speaks with such authority ,doesn't just tow the party line and doesn't seem to have the contempt for us plebs that the likes of May, Bojo and JRM do.

A Tory without contempt for the under-class is like strawberries without cream, scones without jam, bread without butter etc.

 

[jmc]

Geez, who could ever have foreseen this disaster. A referendum that should never have been allowed to happen with a simple majority, with no-one really knowing how complicated it would actually be to break away, putting at risk gods knows how many companies and jobs whilst risking destabilising the issues in Northern Ireland. I've seen some self inflicted wounds in politics, but nothing compares to the mess that Britain has gotten itself into here.

 

[Raiden]

Brexit is yet another f*** up by a conservative leader, and I think it will probably end May's career as PM in UK.

 

[Reaver027]

To be fair any other country would have an easier way to break away from the EU cept for Ireland. The Irish border is the biggest problem you could imagine for this kind of break up.
Without the Irish border we would be in negatiations over a free trade agreement for over a year now

 

[jolldan]

Theresa May is continuing to promote her Brexit withdrawal deal, as cabinet minister Michael Gove is understood to be considering quitting over it.

BBC created this graph to show just how unlikely May being able to push this through is.

 

[Aximili86]

It's kinda just what happens when you want to have it both ways. Maybe the vote shouldn't have happened in the first place, but given it did and the people voted to leave, you've gotta go at that pretty hardcore. Brussels pushes back, you raise the middle finger and do it anyway, that's what the concept of sovereignty is about, economic consequences or no. Kinda seems the problem with May is she hasn't been willing to sacrifice any goodwill on the mainland over it - you can't make a "leave" happen without earning the ire over there. Just gotta absorb it and do it. God knows Thatcher would have had the proverbial balls for it.

I'm kinda "shrug" on the whole leave thing anyway, it was pretty much fine as it was. But given a vote went ahead, and the people voted to leave, if she's not delivering on that she does have to go, bring in someone more hardline even if it's an unwise decision. There's been a vote. It's going to happen in some form, just a matter of who's going to be in the hot seat seeing it through. If May doesn't have the stuff, they're not wrong in walking out on her.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's kinda just what happens when you want to have it both ways. Maybe the vote shouldn't have happened in the first place, but given it did and the people voted to leave, you've gotta go at that pretty hardcore. Brussels pushes back, you raise the middle finger and do it anyway, that's what the concept of sovereignty is about, economic consequences or no. Kinda seems the problem with May is she hasn't been willing to sacrifice any goodwill on the mainland over it - you can't make a "leave" happen without earning the ire over there. Just gotta absorb it and do it. God knows Thatcher would have had the proverbial balls for it.

I'm kinda "shrug" on the whole leave thing anyway, it was pretty much fine as it was. But given a vote went ahead, and the people voted to leave, if she's not delivering on that she does have to go, bring in someone more hardline even if it's an unwise decision. There's been a vote. It's going to happen in some form, just a matter of who's going to be in the hot seat seeing it through. If May doesn't have the stuff, they're not wrong in walking out on her.

If you really think the people of the UK voted for "sovereignty" at any cost, you are incredibly mistaken. The issue is the people were lied to. They were made all these grand promises about how easy it would be. How they'd get everything, because who doesn't want to buy their stuff? Now the harsh truth is upon them, and no one is happy. The people voted for something they aren't actually getting, which is the obvious and overwhelming issue. The backstop that both sides must agree to end and the general situation with Ireland is a very good example how much BS they shoved down people's throat to get to this point.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Meanwhile in REAL BRITAIN....

Channel 4 news reported on this, this evening and as the findings found by the UN, the government spokesperson 'sent on' the news to discuss this refused to believe that Britain existed in such a condition and simply quoted back stats at how they'd solved unemployment & child poverty is reduced. It's the 21st Century, evidently we are the 5th most successful economy in the world, if that is correct, child poverty should not be on the agenda.

Appalling attitude from the government, get out into the real world, and see the pain you have and are causing, get your head out of your a**e and see what your nation is suffering you insufferable a-holes....

'Unnecessary Misery': UN Poverty Expert Lambasts Austerity And Government Cuts

Evidence to UN highlights extreme poverty in UK

UN probes UK poverty amid benefits shake-up

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The Guardian - Emails reveal Arron Banks’ links to Steve Bannon in quest for campaign cash
Businessman sought Trump strategist’s help to raise funds for Leave.EU in the US

 

[Aximili86]

If you really think the people of the UK voted for "sovereignty" at any cost, you are incredibly mistaken. The issue is the people were lied to. They were made all these grand promises about how easy it would be. How they'd get everything, because who doesn't want to buy their stuff? Now the harsh truth is upon them, and no one is happy. The people voted for something they aren't actually getting, which is the obvious and overwhelming issue. The backstop that both sides must agree to end and the general situation with Ireland is a very good example how much BS they shoved down people's throat to get to this point.

There was plenty of talk among the conservatives at the time that it wasn't going to be easy, what are you even talking about? Their position was literally that it'd be a tricky thing to do but they thought it was right in the long run, even with some economic sacrifices.

And the people edged out in the vote in favor of that. Whether it's "easy" or not doesn't come into it, there was a majority referendum. Personally I think Cameron deciding to take the vote wasn't a great move, but given he did, you respect the result and make it happen. Democracy.

 

[Reaver027]

Why am i still reading from so many Brexiteers online that think that everyone in the EU is unlected?

We the people vote for the EU Parliament. That votes on the President of the Commission (PotC).
The PotC and the member states decide on a list of Commissioners. Those get verified and questions by the Parliament and later are voted on by the Parliament.
The President of the European Council is elected by the member states.
The Council is comprised of the ministers and head of states of the member states.

The Council sets the Agenda and the Commission is executing it while the Parliament has to vote on any new laws.
So we have our executive branch in the Commission and the Council. The legislative branch in the Parliament and we got our judicial branch in the ECJ.

Why are so many writing online that the Commission is unelected? It gets proposed by the Govermenets of the member states and the PotC and the elected by the Parliament.
All of those are either directly or indirectly voted on by the people in the member states. Same goes for the Council and its President.

Why is this still a thing among Brexiteers?

 

[Mandon Knight]

From the Guardian, here in the UK....

Jeremy Corbyn to set out Labour alternative to PM's Brexit plan

 

[hopeless]

So he wants to Remain then?

 

[Iceman]

So he wants to Remain then?

Of course. Just a shame that as the leader of the biggest left wing party in the country he managed to lose his voice during the once in a lifetime vote on the subject, but of course subsequently never shuts up blaming everyone else.

 

[Mandon Knight]

The Longest Game of Poker ever is nearly over.....

UK's Brexit deal agreed by EU leaders

 

[Dr Lee]

Right now it's this deal or no deal... there are no other options left on the table... Labour are ****ing lunatics if they think they can snatch power and renegotiate the withdrawal agreement... 1) there's **** all time left to take power and renegotiation to take place & 2) the EU have stated over and over again that they will not be renegotiating this agreement. the Rebels are either too far up their own backsides to realise they haven't got an option left or are power/Fame hungry ***** (Mogg/Boris/Farage) and are trying to sabotage the country.

 

[Iceman]

Right now it's this deal or no deal... there are no other options left on the table... Labour are ****ing lunatics if they think they can snatch power and renegotiate the withdrawal agreement... 1) there's **** all time left to take power and renegotiation to take place & 2) the EU have stated over and over again that they will not be renegotiating this agreement. the Rebels are either too far up their own backsides to realise they haven't got an option left or are power/Fame hungry ***** (Mogg/Boris/Farage) and are trying to sabotage the country.

Totally right.

 

[Dr Lee]

unfortunately we now have Labour/Momentum trying to play silly buggers rather than be actual opposition, the SNP trying once again to resurrect their defunct IndyRef2 bid by being anti Brexit and the DUP are just being delusional with their demands..... and half of the british public were sold a pack of lies that the rest knew to be lies... and now that the result isn't what the first half wanted, they're getting upset

 

[kit1982]

Just imagine if we had a credible opposition? Literally every step of this ****show has been a result of a Tory civil war

 

[Iceman]

Nigel Farage quits Ukip