Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[Kyle]

Everyone try to remember Trump was the detonator, he wasn't the bomb. When talking to people stress bigotry, do not stress Trump. Stressing it the other way around leaves your message on deaf ears.

Example. Is the protest largely about bigotry? Yes. Can the other side see that? No. Due the way the protestors are speaking about it through signs, it's being documented as "Trump is not our President" with very little mention at all about bigotry. Now, here's the thing - the other side is listening. Protestors are saying "Trump is not my President." The reply is "Yes he is, accept it." There is a conversation going on here whether you can see it or not, both sides are actually conversing. Just due to the message being too vague, it's not getting picked up on.

Plus Trump voters who can't yet see it will often think it's an excuse with Trump as the focus.

I've found many are more receptive that hate crime and bigotry has risen then illustrating that Trump's words and actions may have inspired this. This makes it less "not my President" and more bigotry focused with giving them to pause and question Trump's role in what's going on without feeling threatened and are there more ready to consider the implications presented.

Basically the goal is to stress bigotry, not only a seat. Trump's a symptom being battled, not the disease. And I think the venom that's here is to the degree it's at because the disease hasn't been treated for a long, long time just had band aids put on it from time to time and left to grow.

 

[Legendver2]

My facebook feed is currently in total meltdown mode. You got the winners gloating, telling the losers that protesting is stupid and they should suck it up. The losers are ranting non stop. The minorities are getting harassed, and posting links of others getting harassed via racism. I got Asians telling other Asians who got harassed to suck it up! The lack of understanding, reaching out, and dialogue is astounding. No one wants to listen. They just want to gloat their win, or complain about their loss. I got friends turning on friends in the feeds. The people have not been ever this divided before. This is just some next level stuff here.

I'm not gonna pin this all on Trump, since he's just one man, but you have to admit, no matter which side of the election you're on, it's his questionable rhetoric that's sparked this animosity right now.

 

[DeadPresident]

Social media is one of the worst things to happen to human interaction. No way of knowing what is or isn't true and people mostly behave like toddlers.

 

[Thundercrack85]

This election has normalized racist rhetoric that we haven't seen out in the open like this since the 60s.

It's a bit jarring to see Trump and Obama in the same room.

 

[Kyle]

My facebook feed is currently in total meltdown mode. You got the winners gloating, telling the losers that protesting is stupid and they should suck it up. The losers are ranting non stop. The minorities are getting harassed, and posting links of others getting harassed via racism. I got Asians telling other Asians who got harassed to suck it up! The lack of understanding, reaching out, and dialogue is astounding. No one wants to listen. They just want to gloat their win, or complain about their loss. I got friends turning on friends in the feeds. The people have not been ever this divided before. This is just some next level stuff here.

I'm not gonna pin this all on Trump, since he's just one man, but you have to admit, no matter which side of the election you're on, it's his questionable rhetoric that's sparked this animosity right now.

It has been building to this point for many years. I truly thought it wouldn't be for a long time now that the "us and them" balloon popped and even then I thought it would be gradual. You're right, Trump isn't the issue here. Hopefully the further away from Tuesday people can see that. An issue, yeah. But not the largest one. Nor is bigotry in the classical turn of phrase. It's "us and them."

"Us and them" is something I never understood due to being basically placed into the dead center of society, the only divide I have is gender. So, I could never see it. All I could see, even on here over such little things as well, was people fighting each other over it. The destruction those three words cause and yet are tossed around like child's play. Something was going to happen.

Humanity's greatest faults is that they want to label everything, they want to divide everybody into groupings that always lead to wars, and they never want to take responsibility. All of these aspects have led to some of the worst disasters in the history of mankind. And while some people acknowledge many others they tend to swipe those under the rug - society being responsible for school shootings for example rather than the blame game of choosing the next object, the latest in the long line there instead of us and our example is guns while forgetting objects aren't what makes or inspires people to do things. We do. You take all those flaws and the world getting to this point was an inevitability.

One that I don't see getting better until all of us come to our senses and get rid of "us and them." This moment is pivotal. It's either when we destroy ourselves OR it's when we come together as humans rather than groupings.

In my mind it's a war, but it's not like an other war. The closest it's like is the cold war or civil war but of the mind. It's really an existential type of battle going on here.

 

[DeadPresident]

http://klfy.com/2016/11/10/lafayette-pd-ul-student-made-up-story-about-attack-stolen-hijab/

And people continue to cry wolf.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How did we go from the nerd rapture (information age, golden age of superhero movies, etc) to the neonazi rapture?

Stop this timeline, I want to get off and switch.

 

[Pokkle]

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016...erican-history-has-been-named-to-Trump-s-team

Kris Kobach, the extremely controversial Kansas secretary of state, has been named to Donald Trump's transition team.

Why should this terrify you? Because Donald Trump has just named one of the most racist politicians in all of America to his transition team. Kris Kobach was the architect of the most racist law in modern American history. SB 1070 passed in Arizona in 2010. What did it mean? If you have brown skin or an accent, police had a right to stop you, detain you and demand you prove your citizenship.

Trump is really bringing the worst and the worst.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Corey Lewandowski has resigned from CNN and will be joining Trumps transition team

 

[Thundercrack85]

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016...erican-history-has-been-named-to-Trump-s-team



Trump is really bringing the worst and the worst.

Maybe he really will build that wall and round people up Gestapo style.

 

[Docker2.0]

Did you guys see this article? For certain people in this thread who says racism doesn't exist or is being overblown.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a50595/acts-of-racism-since-trumps-victory/

 

[Laderlappen]

Did you guys see this article? For certain people in this thread who says racism doesn't exist or is being overblown.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a50595/acts-of-racism-since-trumps-victory/

I doubt many people would say that racism doesn't exist, especially what's been going on lately. But I think many suggesting that systemic racism doesn't exist or that racism exist but as much towards white people. Some of those racist things in that article, I'd bet everything I got that it was made by liberal, likely black people.

 

[Docker2.0]

So............because this article points out some racist things going on now, it was made by blacks or liberals? Is that wrong? Not trying to debate but just don't see the point of that statement. And a lot of racist groups seem to have a confidence boost since Trump got elected. I don't think Trump is racist but a lot of people seem to think he is. But you have the Klan and other racist groups celebrating out in the open due to him winning.

 

[Laderlappen]

So............because this article points out some racist things going on now, it was made by blacks or liberals? Is that wrong? Not trying to debate but just don't see the point of that statement. And a lot of racist groups seem to have a confidence boost since Trump got elected. I don't think Trump is racist but a lot of people seem to think he is. But you have the Klan and other racist groups celebrating out in the open due to him winning.

No what I am saying is that they are fake. It's not white supremacists that has done this, it's people trying to make Trump supporters look bad. Don't get me wrong, the other side has done that too. I'm not the biggest BLM supporter but there has been incidents of destruction or vandalism that was made to look like they did it but it clearly wasn't.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Corey Lewandowski has resigned from CNN and will be joining Trumps transition team

I figured that would happen. Even if told to cut Corey, I figured Trump would just utilize him with the media. Then bring him back should he win, which I still can't believe happened

 

[Docker2.0]

No what I am saying is that they are fake. It's not white supremacists that has done this, it's people trying to make Trump supporters look bad. Don't get me wrong, the other side has done that too. I'm not the biggest BLM supporter but there has been incidents of destruction or vandalism that was made to look like they did it but it clearly wasn't.

I think you are right and some of it is minorities but since Trump has won, we've seen some racist stuff done out in the open. It's crazy what's going on in this country now.

 

[Kyle]

I think you are right and some of it is minorities but since Trump has won, we've seen some racist stuff done out in the open. It's crazy what's going on in this country now.

And it's spilling over. Nazis in Sweden marched today claiming they were inspired by Trump. Trump has continued to remain silent. His firsr foreign message to the world after his election - "we send you Nazis."

 

[Sawyer]

In case you're still foolish enough to think "Donald Trump, a RACIST???", I suggest you google Steve Bannon's greatest hits.

 

[chaseter]

I think you are right and some of it is minorities but since Trump has won, we've seen some racist stuff done out in the open. It's crazy what's going on in this country now.

Are you talking about the video where black men pulled an old white guy out of his car and beat him while they yelled don't vote Trump?

Racism goes both ways....but no one seems to care about racism from anyone other than the majority.

 

[DeadPresident]

And it's spilling over. Nazis in Sweden marched today claiming they were inspired by Trump. Trump has continued to remain silent. His firsr foreign message to the world after his election - "we send you Nazis."

Not quite "we send", more like "we awaken".

 

[Docker2.0]

Are you talking about the video where black men pulled an old white guy out of his car and beat him while they yelled don't vote Trump?

Racism goes both ways....but no one seems to care about racism from anyone other than the majority.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"

 

[Docker2.0]

Are you talking about the video where black men pulled an old white guy out of his car and beat him while they yelled don't vote Trump?

Racism goes both ways....but no one seems to care about racism from anyone other than the majority.

This probably was a better definition and more expanded one.

Definition of racism
1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3
: racial prejudice or discrimination

 

[chaseter]

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"

Assuming the way someone voted based on their skin color and acting out against them is racism.

Racism is made of a few factors including prejudice and discrimination.

These people that did that are racist. The other way would be called a Hate Crime and so this should be.

 

[Hotwire]

Are you talking about the video where black men pulled an old white guy out of his car and beat him while they yelled don't vote Trump?

Racism goes both ways....but no one seems to care about racism from anyone other than the majority.

First, racism is wrong, regardless of who is on the giving end of it. That being said, think about this. Minorities have been dealing with very harsh racism for a long time. All the while, a lot of whites have been either silent or dismissive about it. Now, when the shoe is suddenly on the other foot, they are crying the loudest and calling on minorities to denounce the racists in their midst. Something many whites have never bothered to do. Then, these same people have the nerve to be shocked that minorities don't immediately sympathize.

 

[Kyle]

Can you clarify because, and I am probably wrong, from the way it reads you're upset that white straight people are calling out racists and are upset that there are minorities not calling Trump out. As said, I highly doubt that is what you are saying, but it is how it reads.

I think you might be saying you're upset about white people crying racism when a white is beaten and getting upset that minorities aren't decrying it along with them. But, due to wording it's kind of jumbled to tell.

This is largely because the definition of racism as well as who it does and doesn't regard has went on a rollercoaster in the past couple of posts.