🏳️‍🌈 Discussion: LGBTQ+ Rights XVI - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

As with the James Gunn removal disgrace, this is PC theater that helps absolutely no one. Hart is a perfectly reasonable hosting candidate who (LIKE EVERY OTHER COMEDIAN EVER!) has said some stupid stuff for which he has subsequently apologized.

What's the goal here? To teach the kiddos tolerance through the vilification of an extremely popular black comedian and actor? One who would have been a strong ally if this situation had been handled appropriately? This is an extremely empty "win" for supporters of LGBTQ rights.

Yeah, about that....



Kevin Hart doesn't care. He is upset that what he said in the past got him in trouble. But he has no love or care for the LGBTQIA community. His "apologies" are to get past it. He doesn't want to be an ally, because he doesn't care about the community. And as this experience clearly has not changed Hart it leads me to the most obvious conclusion. He still has same feelings for the community he did when he made those posts.

 

[Zarex]

So we're saying the baseline qualifications for an Oscar host is that they be an outspoken supporter of LGBTQ rights? That doesn't seem reasonable.

I would agree that Mr. Hart doesn't care about the gay community. He appears to care about his career, money, fame and sleeping with women who aren't his wife. Social justice doesn't make the list. But that shouldn't disqualify him from being an Oscar host. And I am not a fan of Kevin Hart. I find him to be completely unfunny and grating. I will probably watch more of the awards ceremony now that he is confirmed to not be involved.

But I will never be okay with rummaging through someone's old tweets or social media postings and firing them because of a joke or offhand comment made many years prior.
Don't hire them in the first place? Fine.
Fire them for tweets that occurred after they were hired? That seems reasonable.
Fire them if the current response is to double down on the offensive comments? Sure, go with someone else.

But demanding a history of social justice purity from comedians and other entertainers whose job is to tiptoe next to the line of impropriety is an extremely bad idea, and results (as we saw with James Gunn) in folks aiding and abetting garbage humans who use this purity test to punish their enemies. Folks who support social justice need to be smarter than that.

 

[Schlosser85]

So we're saying the baseline qualifications for an Oscar host is that they be an outspoken supporter of LGBTQ rights? That doesn't seem reasonable.

I would agree that Mr. Hart doesn't care about the gay community. He appears to care about his career, money, fame and sleeping with women who aren't his wife. Social justice doesn't make the list. But that shouldn't disqualify him from being an Oscar host. And I am not a fan of Kevin Hart. I find him to be completely unfunny and grating. I will probably watch more of the awards ceremony now that he is confirmed to not be involved.

But I will never be okay with rummaging through someone's old tweets or social media postings and firing them because of a joke or offhand comment made many years prior.
Don't hire them in the first place? Fine.
Fire them for tweets that occurred after they were hired? That seems reasonable.
Fire them if the current response is to double down on the offensive comments? Sure, go with someone else.

But demanding a history of social justice purity from comedians and other entertainers whose job is to tiptoe next to the line of impropriety is an extremely bad idea, and results (as we saw with James Gunn) in folks aiding and abetting garbage humans who use this purity test to punish their enemies. Folks who support social justice need to be smarter than that.

Yep. The SJWs on Twitter played straight into the hands of an alt-right wackadoodle who targeted Gunn purely for political reasons and in fact has a history of being rapey himself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So we're saying the baseline qualifications for an Oscar host is that they be an outspoken supporter of LGBTQ rights? That doesn't seem reasonable.

I would agree that Mr. Hart doesn't care about the gay community. He appears to care about his career, money, fame and sleeping with women who aren't his wife. Social justice doesn't make the list. But that shouldn't disqualify him from being an Oscar host. And I am not a fan of Kevin Hart. I find him to be completely unfunny and grating. I will probably watch more of the awards ceremony now that he is confirmed to not be involved.

But I will never be okay with rummaging through someone's old tweets or social media postings and firing them because of a joke or offhand comment made many years prior.
Don't hire them in the first place? Fine.
Fire them for tweets that occurred after they were hired? That seems reasonable.
Fire them if the current response is to double down on the offensive comments? Sure, go with someone else.

But demanding a history of social justice purity from comedians and other entertainers whose job is to tiptoe next to the line of impropriety is an extremely bad idea, and results (as we saw with James Gunn) in folks aiding and abetting garbage humans who use this purity test to punish their enemies. Folks who support social justice need to be smarter than that.

I wasn't the one using the false argument that he was going to be an ally and people somehow pushed him away from it. You did. Which as this video makes clear, was never an actual thing. Just an argument used to damn others.

Also you seem to not understand that Hart's biggest problem was his response, that made it clear, he ain't sorry and doesn't see much wrong with what he said. His refusal to apologize until after his day long tirade made that clear.

Hart can be whatever he wants, but when he made quite a few homophobic comments and "jokes" he presented himself to the world as homophobic. His inability to atone for that in any meaningful way places him into rather obvious context. Still homophobic. And you are legally allowed to be that in the USA. But do I think a homophobic individual should host the Oscars? Nope. Just like I don't think they should be giving out awards to admitted rapist, racist or other such bigots.

 

[MaceB]

The apology is key, honestly. I didn't agree with James Gunn's earlier tweets, but he apologized genuinely. I accepted that and forgave him. But yeah... if you say something stupid and refuse to apologize for it... I'll assume you're still stupid.

Do I think such things should be considered when hiring a comedian? Well... I wouldn't want to hire him. But that's not up to me. The award ceremony directors have the power to decide if associating with him will hurt their image or not. They have a right to prioritize values however they feel is best.

So, it's kinda like... yeah, he's trash. But trash still gets hired sometimes, and if someone wants to hire trash, then that's up to them. If you don't like it, then express that opinion by not watching or supporting the ceremony.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It should also be pointed out that Hart was simply asked to apologize and instead of doing that, he decided to not host the Oscars. He wasn't denied the chance. He quit because was was offended that he was asked to apologize for what he wrote. He then apparently made up a bunch of apologizes he never actually made, so he wouldn't have to do it while Stephon Marbury.

So what was so damn scary about an apology?

 

[writer0327]

It should also be pointed out that Hart was simply asked to apologize and instead of doing that, he decided to not host the Oscars. He wasn't denied the chance. He quit because was was offended that he was asked to apologize for what he wrote. He then apparently made up a bunch of apologizes he never actually made, so he wouldn't have to do it while Stephon Marbury.

So what was so damn scary about an apology?

Admission of guilt is a problem for some.

I honestly don't think he was aware of how folks would react. We live in a PC world, especially for celebrities and high profile, popular individuals. His words and actions are scrutinized under a microscope. He has learned and guarantee will guard his words and actions going forward.

Aside from Kevin Hart, there's good and bad with the PC world we live in. On the one hand, a lot of people have cleaned up their act, but on the other hand, many haven't and put on a false front in public. Before at least we had honesty and could determine who we will support based upon what we knew.

 

[Zarex]

I wasn't the one using the false argument that he was going to be an ally and people somehow pushed him away from it. You did. Which as this video makes clear, was never an actual thing. Just an argument used to damn others.

Also you seem to not understand that Hart's biggest problem was his response, that made it clear, he ain't sorry and doesn't see much wrong with what he said. His refusal to apologize until after his day long tirade made that clear.

Hart can be whatever he wants, but when he made quite a few homophobic comments and "jokes" he presented himself to the world as homophobic. His inability to atone for that in any meaningful way places him into rather obvious context. Still homophobic. And you are legally allowed to be that in the USA. But do I think a homophobic individual should host the Oscars? Nope. Just like I don't think they should be giving out awards to admitted rapist, racist or other such bigots.

My comment on being an ally was based on the content of his Ellen interview. Apparently it didn't stick. But Hart DID apologize. Not in as timely a fashion as you apparently would have preferred, but it did happen.

I have a real problem labeling someone as a homophobe based remarks made years earlier that were subsequently disavowed, just as I had a problem labeling Gunn a pedophile. Is there anything else there? If Hart has exhibited bigoted behavior in his off line life, than feel free to toss the label around. If not I think its wrong.

 

[Sawyer]

Evangelical group wants gays removed from anti-lynching bill

Evangelicals seem like such lovely people.

 

[Teelie]

That means they may think to lynch gay people sometime in the future and want it to be legal. Why else would you object to it?

 

[Schlosser85]

That means they think they intend to lynch gay people sometime in the future and want it to be legal. Why else would you object to it?

Well they go overseas to support Uganda’s “kill the gays” bill, so obviously they’d like to do it here if they could.

I thought “thou shalt not kill” was supposed to be one of their main commandments.

 

[Teelie]

They find loopholes in that by justifying people they don't like as not really people.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm just over here in shock that lynching - for any reason - is not already explicitly illegal in 2019.

 

[THORin]

I'm just over here in shock that lynching - for any reason - is not already explicitly illegal in 2019.

Me too!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm just over here in shock that lynching - for any reason - is not already explicitly illegal in 2019.

I wonder how many states still have it as an actual execution option.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm just over here in shock that lynching - for any reason - is not already explicitly illegal in 2019.

Yeah, I would not look too far into how many ass backwards laws are still technically on the book. It makes us look very bad.

 

[AResistor]

And my world just a got a billion times scarier. Since 2016 it feels like it's been nothing but getting battered around from one end to the next.

Just for once, can people stop trying to and talking about killing all of us who are different?

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Evangelical group wants gays removed from anti-lynching bill

Evangelicals seem like such lovely people.

What the ****!?

 

[Lily Adler]

Gay Latin Music Star Kevin Fret, 24, Shot and Killed in Puerto Rico

 

[AResistor]

Garrard is known for writing 'Boy Erased' and being an advocate against conversion "therapy."


Are you kidding me? WTF is this NYT garbage?

Of course I'd never want anything to do with an lgbtq Trump voter - that's a clear sign of either delusion or self-hatred.

Yeah - I've had to turn them down in the past and did so for that reason. One of them was also a xenophobe to a scary level.

 

[Schlosser85]

I turned one down who wanted in my pants before because he loves Trump so much he volunteered at the convention.

**** those Uncle Toms.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Well they go overseas to support Uganda’s “kill the gays” bill, so obviously they’d like to do it here if they could.

I thought “thou shalt not kill” was supposed to be one of their main commandments.

This is the same God that advised George W. Bush to kick off the Iraq War.

 

[AResistor]

 

[green]

Karen Pence Is Working At A School That Bans Gay Employees And Kids | HuffPost

 

[Teelie]

That fits right in with her family's worldview.