The Dark Knight 1st or 2nd reveal of the Joker

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Then I read interviews with Ledger. I get a vibe of contempt for the genre and medium as a whole. I don't know about anyone else, but I want the actor playing The Joker to have, if not admiration, at least respect for the medium in which they originated.

A vibe?? Hardly concrete evidence.

who is Chris Nolan to disregard The Joker to the extent where he has no meaning anymore?

Maybe we should see the movie before condemning it.

 

[Penismightier]

We see tons of very faithful Jokers on Youtube and they mostly suck. I'd rather see talented people try something different and daring (and still in the spirit of the character) . The most important thing, just like when representing a living being on screen is to capture the essence of the character. It feels like that's what Nolan and Ledger are going for. But once again we don't know anything. Think positive.

Why not have, oh I don't know, a talented person be faithful?

 

[regwec]

A vibe?? Hardly concrete evidence.

No, but nor did he claim that it was. That is why he said he got a "vibe". You see?

 

[host_soulless]

I think of Favreau and Downey on Iron Man and how in interviews they say they have a lot of respect for the character and it's history and they want to bring that character to the big screen in the right way.

Then I read interviews with Ledger. I get a vibe of contempt for the genre and medium as a whole. I don't know about anyone else, but I want the actor playing The Joker to have, if not admiration, at least respect for the medium in which they originated.

Honestly, if I were directing a Batman movie, or any comic book movie for that matter, I would think about the creator and all of the writers through the years. Who am I, and in a sense, who is Chris Nolan to disregard The Joker to the extent where he has no meaning anymore? No movie adaptation of Batman will be definitive, but still, have some respect for all those writers and artists that came before you.

It takes a lot of hubris to make drastic changes to a character that iconic, on both Nolan's and Ledger's part. Anyone can have the balls to go new places with characters, it takes talent to do it well and to make the characters still have the same meaning and resonance.

It will have the same meaning. Didn't you see Begins? Anyway youre making judgements too early.

 

[gwynplaine]

Why not have, oh I don't know, a talented person be faithful?

Some people would argue that that's what we got with B89. Would you like more of the same thing ?

 

[sasquatchs]

I don't really care if he has contempt for the genre as a whole, as long as he doesn't for his character

 

[Penismightier]

A vibe?? Hardly concrete evidence.



Maybe we should see the movie before condemning it.

I'm not condemning the movie. In fact, I hope I'm wrong and this is all just a clever ploy by the filmmakers. I'm just saying I'm not liking the vibe I get.

 

[Penismightier]

Some people would argue that that's what we got with B89. Would you like more of the same thing ?

Isn't if conceivable that two talented people can have two different takes on a character but still remain faithful to a character?

 

[sasquatchs]

Most of the faithfulness is going to come down to the page, I don't see how he can go too far wrong without trying really hard. Joker with a stutter?

 

[gwynplaine]

Let's resume that conversation on July 19th 2008.

 

[SpinyNorman]

this is a totally different film in which the actor playing The Joker seems to have no respect for the history of his character. And the director, who had a huge say in who was cast, seems to be taking it in a direction that completely disregards anything the comics established.

Again:

Where the hell are you getting this from?

EDIT: In retrospect, this series of posts seems to be a string of mindless, baseless kneejerk reactions, so nevermind.

 

[Saint]

I prefer the scar tissue on the first picture.

 

[gwynplaine]

Those 2 pictures almost look like a different character. I wonder what we'll ultimately be getting ? I have confidence that the essence of the Joker will be there on screen and I sure like the darker orientation, straight out of a horror film or a nightmare.
I also wish these Joker threads would merge, at least some of them, while other die.

 

[BatScot]

Actually... I think I prefer Charlie's grin.

 

[GoogleMe94]

wow, this is gonna be danny devito's penguin all over again.

 

[Judson Caspian]

The second one looks better with help from the green hair, purple suit and gloves. But not so much more.

 

[Juanigi]

the only contempt ledger has expressed is for the same terrible comic book movies that we show contempt for

 

[gwynplaine]

Blond Bond anyone ? This Joker will be great because they got what the character is all about, they seem to have captured his very essence.

 

[peteagassi]

People have been complaining about the inconsistencies in the Joker's look. Have yall ever considered what sweat, rain, etc. Can do to make-up. Yes! Believe it or not folks, it can actually run the make-up right off a man's face. Badly colored hair can come right off as well, with a little water or sweat. Realism is indeed a factor with this Joker! And did you guys also know that scars heal?! Yeah, apparently if you wait a certain amount of time, a gash or cut on the body actually heals. AMAZING!

 

[Closerframe]

From the 1st pic it looked nothing like the Joker the 2nd pic looks like the Joker with most of the elements of the Joker...

 

[Wantallfigures]

I really liked the first, but was there a reason they toned down the scarring ?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Blond Bond anyone ? This Joker will be great because they got what the character is all about, they seem to have captured his very essence.

The difference is that the color or shade of James Bond's hair matters nothing to the character.

 

[gwynplaine]

The difference is that the color or shade of James Bond's hair matters nothing to the character.

I agree with you but I still remember a lot of cries of outrage before Casino Royale came out. All I'm saying is wait and see.

 

[El Payaso]

personally, from looking at that photo with rachel dawes, that looks almost nothing like the Joker, at least the one i know. then again, the scarecrow looked nothing like his comic counterpart except the mask.

Sadly I agree. In that pic, it's more like a comics fan that lost it and decided to dress up as Joker with what he found at home.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I'm loving the voice and laugh of the Joker. Heath is doing a great job in that element, IMO even better than Nicholson. However, the look is just as important. Why is there so much brown in his hair? It's pissing me off now.