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Discussion in 'Sports' started by Equint77, Oct 4, 2005.
Yeah but Webber has been overratted now for about 6 years or so.
He was solid for Sac for quite a few years...though probably the last three he's been running on steam.
One can be solid and still overratted.
Iverson isn't getting worse because of aging. In fact it has allowed him to settle down and evaluate and play with his mind as well as his blinding quickness. He had arguably his best year last year. Dude dropped 60 points and he is only 5'11!!! That is F'ing amazing.
Not when you take 40-50 shots a game. Don't get me wrong Iverson is good and I have a lot more respect for him than I used to due to the past couple of years and the comments he has made. But I just don't think he is in that elite category of players.
You don't get it either. Are you saying that just because someone shoots alot means they will drop 60 points? I don't think so captain. Not many players can go out there and score 60, regardless of how many shots they put up, this is a mis informed statement by you. And once again you're one of those ignorant "basketball fans" who is over exaggerating Iverson's shooting percentage...which is low (but not that low), due to the fact HE HAS to take a large majority shots for his team to even have a chance at winning...and naturally he is bound to miss some of those said shots. Iverson is hands down in the elite group of players, just look at what he is done through out his entire career. But the funny thing is, if you asked the other "elite" and upper echelon players in the League if AI is one of the best...they surely would answer "yes".
Of course they would, when do players ever not? I'm ignorant? What has Iverson done? Nothing, went to the finals ONCE, but Larry Brown was coaching, has he been back since? Nope, will he? Nope. Know why because he is not in the Elite group of players, he is good/great but not elite. And why does he have to take all those shots? Oh that's right because no one on his team is any good. BULL ****!
Look at the Suns, look at what an ELITE Point Guard did for them, don't give me crap about they have Stoudamire, they had him the year before too. An Elite point guard makes everyone around them better. Look at college ball, the best teams have the best point guards. Iverson is not one of the best point guards in the league. Plain and simple. He is like Kobe, great individually but that's it. Kobe can't get it done on his own either.
I'm not saying Iverson isn't good, he is an amazing player, I have a lot of respect for him as of the things he has said of late, but he is not an elite player. Sorry there are only a few in the league. And as for your as the players in the leauge statement.
Ask Charles Barkely how many superstars in the league there are. Know what he will say TWO, and Iverson isn't one of them. Does that prove anything no, just like your statement doesn't.
Son it is a rarity when someone scores 60 points. Ray Allen has a great field goal percentage, but I doubt he will ever score 60 points in a single game.
First of all Steve Nash is a GREAT player, and is on top of his game right now...but he is no where even close to being an elite player. An elite player consistently has great years, year in and year out. Steve Nash just started playing at the level he is at, and he did so because he was put in a perfect system for him that was suited for his style of ball, and YES his teammates are far greater players than the ones Iverson has to deal with. Nash has 2 other all stars in his starting lineup alone, and the Suns were going just as far into the playoffs with Marbury at the helm as they did with Nash!!! Their style fit Nash to a tee as he was a product of a system, run all day long, and kick it to his slashers. Nash HAS no D, and you can't be an elite player w/o being able to play defense. And how can Nash be an elite player if he allowed his team to get their asses handed to them by the Spurs? At least AI has had the capability to be a one man wrecking crew and take his team all the way to the finals. As for the Barkley comment...no one takes heed to what he says, because he is ALWAYS running his mouth and saying the most off the wall bull sh1t. I remember a few years back he said something to the effect that Yao Ming would never score over 15 pts in a game.... that right there shows you how qualified he is to judge other ball players. AI holds it down on offense and defense EVERY YEAR, something that can't be said at all for Nash. But please, don't give me that the reason the Sixers went to the finals in 2001 was because of the coach. They would have been there every year if it was because Larry Brown was that good (and he isn't, he is actually overrated and an over emotional headcase). That season it was all Iverson, just as it is every year for the Sixers. He is the driving force for that team...they still really don't have anyone to rely on for consistant scoring. Andre Iguodala will be good eventually, but he isn't there right now. Plus Webber has too many nagging injuries to truly be effective. I can't believe I am having to argue with you that AI is in the elite in the NBA. Take Iverson away from the Sixers...and they might win 20 games..MAX. Take Nash away from the Suns, and they still win close to 45 games.
Elite Players in the League:
1) Timmy Duncan
6) T Mac
7) J. Kidd
8) Dirk "the Diggler" Nowitzki
9) LeBron James
10) Vince Carter
I'd put Amare ahead of Carter and maybe Dirk, where's the boy Wade?
The Suns season is over before it even began
PHOENIX -- Amare Stoudemire will undergo diagnostic surgery on his left knee on Tuesday to determine what is causing the soreness that has bothered the Phoenix Suns All-Star in recent months.
The arthroscopic operation will be conducted by team physician Tom Carter, the Suns announced on Monday.
Stoudemire, who signed a five-year, $73 million contract extension a week ago, sat out the final two days of training camp in Tucson because of the injury to the knee's articulate cartilage. He received opinions from three specialists before deciding to have the surgery
If no serious damage is detected, Stoudemire probably will be out three to four weeks, coach Mike D'Antoni told The Associated Press. Then, it will be only a matter of getting back in shape.
"Hey, the guy's an unbelievable talent," D'Antoni said. "In about an hour and a half he'll be in shape and ready to go.
Stoudemire will miss the entire preseason, which begins at Seattle on Friday night. The Suns open their regular season Nov. 1 at home against Dallas.
D'Antoni acknowledged that hearing the words surgery and Stoudemire in the same sentence "sends shivers up everybody's spine."
"But he's young and he's healthy and hopefully everything will be fine," the coach said.
Suns president Bryan Colangelo declined to comment on Stoudemire's status. The Suns wrapped up training camp on Sunday and had Monday off. They will resume workouts on Tuesday.
The 22-year-old power forward was a dominant force playing out of position at center for a Suns team that won an NBA-best 62 games last season, his third in the NBA. He averaged 37 points against Tim Duncan when the Suns were eliminated by the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference finals.
The soreness had bothered Stoudemire during the summer, and he worked out sparingly in Tucson. His last practice was Friday morning.
The No. 9 pick in the 2002 draft, Stoudemire won the Rookie of the Year award over Yao Ming in 2002-03 and has improved each season. He was fifth in the NBA in scoring last season at 26 points per game. He averaged just under 30 in the playoffs.
D'Antoni said Stoudemire's absence could have a silver lining because other players will have more opportunities to show their abilities.
"Actually, we can make better judgment on our guys in the rotation," he said, "because we know what Amare's going to do."
There's no way you can tell me AI isn't one of the elite players in the league and in the games history. He has done more at his height than anyone since Tiny Archibald and I would rate AI ahead of him in total value. He competes night in and nght out with guards 3-7 inches taller than him and dominates. He consistently averages over 25ppg and leads a team who mostly wouldn't start anywhere else in the league. If Nash is so elite, where was the big drop-off by the Mavs? They hardly suffered. Amare costs the Suns far more than Nash does.
Wade's my guy...and friend, but I can't put him in that elite category yet. If he continues to put it down like he has been the past 2 years, and his progress continues...He will be up there, until then he is just a great player on the verge. Same goes for Amare IMO. Jermaine O'Neal is also one of those great players that is near the upper echelon, just not quite there yet.
PREACH, thanks alot for the re-assurance. You definetely know your bball. Iverson is hands down the greatest player ever to play the game under 6'6". He is like Isiah Thomas version 2.0 +.
That sucks pimpn..but he will definetely be back by mid season sometime though, so don't worry too much. I rather they get it out of the way now and fix it, instead of let the problem linger and effect the Suns playoff run. But on the real, The Suns "just LOST."
First this just screams blind fanboy! I think everyone here only needs one guess as to where you live.
1) Timmy Duncan (Agreed)
2) KG (he should be a little lower)
3) Shaq (He should be in the number one spot simple!)
4) Kobe (Why is he even here? if it wasn't for Shaq & Jackson he would be in the same position as Iverson except he probably wouldn't of made it to the finals. I thought that was proven last year?)
5) AI (He should be number ten simple!)
6) T Mac ( get him the hell off your list! It has even been stated by many experts that this guy has no idea what it takes to win.)
7) J. Kidd (Put him where Iverson is)
8) Dirk "the Diggler" Nowitzki (Just fine)
9) LeBron James (He should probably be in kobe position)
10) Vince Carter (Again why is he here? a few years ago when he was injured the raptors actually did better without him!)
I think someone lost there League Pass subscription
Was Nash there the year before? Did they win 45 games? I didn't think so.
Tmac is overrated, and vince carter is also overrated.
NBA League Pass operator: "Oh it's you again, my supervisors said not to accept any money transfer from you and to not allow you to have League Pass. They said something to the effect of you're an idiot and know nothing about basketball!!"
Maximum Carnage: "....."
They did the year before with Steph though
Vince Carter single handedly turned the Nets season around and led them to the playoffs. If you remember they were headed for the Lottery until Vince came and picked up his game. As for T-Mac..HE WAS THE ROCKETS. He was the only one the team could rely on. Because I know 4th graders with more heart and aggressivness than Yao.
And they also got in the asses of the Spurs, something that the Nash led Suns didn't do.
Shaq didn't play well enough last year to be at the number one spot. And I doubt he will this year either. Once the playoffs begin is when he turns it on.
Mac has one disatrous season (03-04) after 3 previous seasons carrying a squad in the playoffs with no talent and everyone gunning for him. Disgusting
T Mac was the Rockets!!! are stupid! FYI I don't have a league pass because I will never... NEVER!!! get satellite. You need to watch more ball "SON!" piss off!!
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