2011 NFL Thread: The Lazarus Season - Part 8

[Hound55]

If Green Bay beats Chicago, they have nothing to gain from Week 17, which means the Lions should be an 11 win team going into the playoffs. That makes Monday a huge game for the Falcons. They either beat the Saints in New Orleans then, or they have to face them again in two weeks.

I am confident in Detroit's ability to beat the NFC East champion, less sure in our chances at New Orleans. I would much rather play Green Bay at Lambo in the Divisional Round than the Saints in New Orleans for the Wildcard.

If we don't have Jennings when we play you I'd be very surprised if we beat you.

Honestly I think you have the tools that you SHOULD have been able to beat us last game, but due to Smith's injury and some playcalling we beat you fairly easily again.

A few things done different and I think it easily could have gone another way.

 

[Hound55]

I wouldn't bet on the Jets to beat anybody at the moment...

They can lose to just about anybody if they don't turn up. Most inconsistant team, with the most inconsistent QB in the league.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I was about to ask why the heck you have Romo listed over the likes of Stafford, Ryan, Flacco and Dalton.

I didn't even bother commenting on it. F'n ridiculous.

AP supposedly just suffered a knee sprain.

 

[Hound55]

Because I said "by this year".

And aside from some brain-fart games which have cost them big when you really don't want it, Romo's played pretty damn well.

Dalton's got a better future to come moreso than ranking for this year, Flacco had probably the most disappointing season for a quarterback not called "Sanchez" and Matt Ryan didn't really set the league on fire either.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I'll take his 2011 QBR which takes in all factors which is currently at 15. Which leaves him tied with Cam Newton & above:

Matt Moore, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Smith, Freeman, Ponder, Tebow, & Mark Sanchez among others.

And this on an off year his 4th versus Romo's 9th. It's all good though, I prefer my Quarterback underrated.

 

[Hound55]

I don't think I am underrating him...

My "most disappointing year ... Sanchez" comment was saying just that. He's had/having an off year.

Last year I ranked him above Romo... but he hasn't played that well this year and THIS YEAR'S performance is what I asked people's opinions on.

 

[StorminNorman]

I'll take his 2011 QBR which takes in all factors which is currently at 15. Which leaves him tied with Cam Newton & above:

Matt Moore, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Smith, Freeman, Ponder, Tebow, & Mark Sanchez among others.

And this on an off year his 4th versus Romo's 9th. It's all good though, I prefer my Quarterback underrated.

I like Flacco, but I do think it is hard not to argue he has disappointed this year. Now he can easily redeem himself in the playoffs, and I am not suggesting to hit the panic button at all (like I would consider doing if I was a Jet), but he had a lot of games where he didn't play good football.

 

[StorminNorman]

Because Cutler's one of maybe three QBs in the league who could do anything behind what is possibly the worst offensive line in the past decade.

Stafford being one of the other three

 

[Dr. Evil]

Lol, making fun of TJ is funny, cause he's not good.

I always refer to him as a future CFL QB, because he's probably good enough to play in the CFL. He's that bad.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I like Flacco, but I do think it is hard not to argue he has disappointed this year. Now he can easily redeem himself in the playoffs, and I am not suggesting to hit the panic button at all (like I would consider doing if I was a Jet), but he had a lot of games where he didn't play good football.

Meh, I've been saying all year he's had an off season, isn't playing up to his own standards. However, I place a sizable chunk of that on Cam Cameron's terribly predictable play calling that has facilitated Joe's limited options turning to bad decisions. When you don't run the ball when you have a beast in the backfield, it handicaps your QB & gives the D the added luxury of a cheat sheet.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I didn't even bother commenting on it. F'n ridiculous.

AP supposedly just suffered a knee sprain.

You did happen to read my note below the rankings, right?

Other than the top three, the other QBs are not in exact order.

 

[Hound55]

Meh, I've been saying all year he's had an off season, isn't playing up to his own standards. However, I place a sizable chunk of that on Cam Cameron's terribly predictable play calling that has facilitated Joe's limited options turning to bad decisions. When you don't run the ball when you have a beast in the backfield, it handicaps your QB & gives the D the added luxury of a cheat sheet.

You're running it more than the Vikings with Pederson, the Seahawks with Lynch, more than St Louis with Jackson...

Not that you shouldn't be... Your 3 pronged backfield gives more opportunity to spell Ray Rice (allowing for your team to not rule out the run when Rice is catching his breath after a big gain or a stretch with a heavy work-rate) but personally - I think it's just that Flacco just hasn't been bringing it some games.

There's QBs out there who don't even have a decent running game to fall back on so that excuse doesn't really fly.

QBs who wind up just watching their RB run and run and run before their coach finally decides to expect them to save the game for them when the running game is no longer a viable alternative (Rivers).

Let's be serious, it's not like Flacco doesn't have a s*** load around him in terms of defence, runners, receivers, a solid line... Flacco's in an enviable position and he just hasn't been getting it done this year.

Does that mean he can't? No. But he hasn't. Not consistently.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Breaking news from Peter King:

- Vikings will get a new stadium in Minnesota.

Pro Football Talk also has the Bill Cowher to San Diego rumors:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...on-turner-amid-conflicting-reports-on-cowher/

 

[Hound55]

Chicago fans, I'd go to bed about now.

The Bulls decided not to play offense in the second half and things are just going to get worse when the Packers step out onto the field...

EDIT: OK... NOW go to bed Chicago fans... It's a pity you can't get Rose to replace Hanie as your QB...

 

[Ness]

I wonder if the new stadium for the Vikings would be a dome. I think they should go back to the days of playing in the cold.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

You're running it more than the Vikings with Pederson, the Seahawks with Lynch, more than St Louis with Jackson...

Not that you shouldn't be... Your 3 pronged backfield gives more opportunity to spell Ray Rice (allowing for your team to not rule out the run when Rice is catching his breath after a big gain or a stretch with a heavy work-rate) but personally - I think it's just that Flacco just hasn't been bringing it some games.

There's QBs out there who don't even have a decent running game to fall back on so that excuse doesn't really fly.

QBs who wind up just watching their RB run and run and run before their coach finally decides to expect them to save the game for them when the running game is no longer a viable alternative (Rivers).

Let's be serious, it's not like Flacco doesn't have a s*** load around him in terms of defence, runners, receivers, a solid line... Flacco's in an enviable position and he just hasn't been getting it done this year.

Does that mean he can't? No. But he hasn't. Not consistently.

It's hilarious hearing you dictate the deficiencies of my QB as if it were some sort of Gospel. Lopsided playcalling that's been highlighted by analysts, former players, current players, & coaches that have years of experience but sure, it's just an excuse. Of course, why didn't we see this earlier?

He's having an off year, as I've stated numerous times but he's hardly rated at the bottom of the respective barrel. I AM touched by the fact that you care so much for Joe Cool though.

AP has a torn ACL. F'n Hell.

 

[Poeman]

Joe Flacco is having the same off year he's had the past 3 seasons...He is just as inconsistent as a QB as others have been saying and has been successful in large part to team defense, star running back and a very strong home field.

The guy has been a stinker in some big games and good in others. He and Sanchez probably hang out

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Career 85.7 QB Rating
13,000 yards in his 4th Season
Franchise Passing & TD Leader
The fourth quarterback to bring his team to the playoffs in his first three seasons
The first QB to to win a Playoff game in each of those 3 seasons
Most wins by a quarterback in first 60 consecutive starts: 40
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
Tied for Most Playoff Road Wins. Ever.

Yeah, that's one sorry, regressive, inconsistent bastard. Sorry, I'll keep Flacco.

 

[CConn]

Chicago fans, I'd go to bed about now.

The Bulls decided not to play offense in the second half and things are just going to get worse when the Packers step out onto the field...

EDIT: OK... NOW go to bed Chicago fans... It's a pity you can't get Rose to replace Hanie as your QB...

Here's the deal; the day you can actually make an accurate prediction, is the day you'll be allowed to talk **** about someone else's teams.

Now be quiet.

 

[Hound55]

It's hilarious hearing you dictate the deficiencies of my QB as if it were some sort of Gospel. Lopsided playcalling that's been highlighted by analysts, former players, current players, & coaches that have years of experience but sure, it's just an excuse. Of course, why didn't we see this earlier?

He's having an off year, as I've stated numerous times but he's hardly rated at the bottom of the respective barrel. I AM touched by the fact that you care so much for Joe Cool though.

AP has a torn ACL. F'n Hell.

I haven't even addressed the deficiencies of Flacco's game. I've merely pointed out how much he has going in his favour (his team's probably the most complete across the board in the NFL) as a means of detracting from the excuse of the playcalling.

To further address this Baltimore is just outside the top ten in rush attempts, so it's not like they aren't giving Rice/Leech/Ricky the ball.

Career 85.7 QB Rating
13,000 yards in his 4th Season
Franchise Passing & TD Leader
The fourth quarterback to bring his team to the playoffs in his first three seasons
The first QB to to win a Playoff game in each of those 3 seasons
Most wins by a quarterback in first 60 consecutive starts: 40
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
Tied for Most Playoff Road Wins. Ever.

Yeah, that's one sorry, regressive, inconsistent bastard. Sorry, I'll keep Flacco.

Or we could discuss THIS year, rather than just career stats when talking about whether or not he's been disappointing and inconsistent THIS year...

 

[Hunter Rider]

When Chicago pulled back to within 4 points the game felt like it might be set up for some drama, but with The Packers scoring alomost immediately in reply it pretty much deflated the Bears and they fell apart.

Jerome Simpson Front Flip Touchdown

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Or we could discuss THIS year, rather than just career stats when talking about whether or not he's been disappointing and inconsistent THIS year...

THAT post was in response to Poe who implied Flacco has an off year every year, nothing directly concerning your actual posts.

As to what we were actually discussing, at least on my end, the playcalling from the offensive coordinator & the corresponding agreement with that stance across the board from people in the know, I have yet to hear a response.

Packers fans have become a fount of wisdom in the past 2 seasons, so I eagerly await your revelations.

 

[Poeman]

THAT post was in response to Poe who implied Flacco has an off year every year, nothing directly concerning your actual posts.

As to what we were actually discussing, at least on my end, the playcalling from the offensive coordinator & the corresponding agreement with that stance across the board from people in the know, I have yet to hear a response.

Packers fans have become a fount of wisdom in the past 2 seasons, so I eagerly await your revelations.

Your own fanbase and media has issues with Joe Flacco...
http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/43950-who-will-our-new-qb-be/

http://www.herald-mail.com/sports/bs-sp-ravens-1226-20111225,0,3605403.story

Overall statistics dont showcase everything. Sanchez statistically is having a very good season as he is about to break the franchise record for TD's by a Qb (About 30 Td's now) Also, had the #1 NFL team in redzone. But the way he throws shows his flaws, the same as Joe Flacco's decisions have shown.

See Flacco's playoff performance so far

Playoffs Passing Rushing Receiving Fumbles
Season Team Games Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Lost
2008 Baltimore 3 75 33 44.0% 437 5.8 48 1 3 50.8 12 5 0.5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2009 Baltimore 2 45 24 53.3% 223 4.96 27 0 3 39.4 7 7 1 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2010 Baltimore 2 64 41 64.06% 390 6.1 28 3 1 90.0 9 25 2.8 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 3 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco (Yeah, it is very easy to wiki those facts you got above about Flacco)

See Sanchez's playoff performance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez

Sanchez has had a fantastic playoff record in his first 2 years, but in the regular season he has shown lapses in leading drives consistently throughout the same as Flacco has been with his accuracy and against lesser competition.

Both have struggled and are in no way top tier QB's, if they had teams like the Niners were from 2005-2010, they'd be exactly like what Alex Smith was (Now Alex Smith is doing halfway decent like Flacco and Sanchez because of a great defense, coaching, and other phases)... Both QBs have been inconsistent. This is truth.

 

[Ness]

Flacco isn't that bad of a quarterback. The Ravens can win a championship with him. The Ravens have made the playoffs four straight seasons with him at quarterback, something that has never been done in their history. He's also the best starter they've ever had. Some people may think that isn't saying much when compared to the likes of Dilfer, a washed up McNair, Grbac, Redman, Boller, Wright, etc. But he's a lot better than everyone else that has come through the building since 1996. And if you want to talk stats, I remember Eli Manning won a Super Bowl during a season when he had a lot of struggles. He finished the season with a quarterback rating of around 73 if I remember correctly.

 

[Poeman]

Flacco isn't that bad of a quarterback. The Ravens can win a championship with him. The Ravens have made the playoffs four straight seasons with him at quarterback, something that has never been done in their history. He's also the best starter they've ever had. Some people may think that isn't saying much when compared to the likes of Dilfer, a washed up McNair, Grbac, Redman, Boller, Wright, etc. But he's a lot better than everyone else that has come through the building since 1996. And if you want to talk stats, I remember Eli Manning won a Super Bowl during a season when he had a lot of struggles. He finished the season with a quarterback rating of around 73 if I remember correctly.

That's another thing...When a QB wins a Super Bowl it solves everything and the aura of mediocrity is automatically gone. Now Eli is elite...

Any QB can go hot in the playoffs