2012 NFL Thread: With more of Matt Moore!

[KalMart]

Wow. It's like two teams with two of the most dysfunctional locker rooms are trying to add in that little extra bit of dysfunction that will lead to a total collapse. They may as well just go ahead and sign Ochocinco too.

With Moss, even before today, you had a very narrow time window to indicate quite early that you'd be a 13+ win team with a high seed into the playoffs and a good chance to win. And you have that one season to do it with him. If that's the case, he's likely there heart & soul. But if that sparkle wears off at all, his enthusiasm will disappear. Even if he could do 2+ years, he only wants to win now on a team that's already got a great chance. Think Pats or wherever Peyton goes (except ARZ).

 

[Erzengel]

Well in 2010, the Pats went 14-2 and still Moss found a way to get booted out of New England. Granted that was a month into the season but it begs the question if his head can be in the game.

 

[StorminNorman]

I agree with you on everything expect the Falcons being nowhere near NO.

Remember this though, there's this other QB who started out 0-3 in the playoffs, his name? Peyton Manning.

Peyton was never the fourth best QB in his division.

Matt Ryan is.

 

[StorminNorman]

Well in 2010, the Pats went 14-2 and still Moss found a way to get booted out of New England.

That's because he got his feelings hurt and just had a record breaking year (and thus lost the chip he had on his shoulder which motivated him in '09).

With 2012 Randy you sign him to at least a 2+ year deal, you get him rested and you get him with the chip. That is what I want.

Now 2013 Randy? That's a whole other story, but 2012 is golden.

 

[KalMart]

That's because he got his feelings hurt and just had a record breaking year (and thus lost the chip he had on his shoulder which motivated him in '09).

With 2012 Randy you sign him to at least a 2+ year deal, you get him rested and you get him with the chip. That is what I want.

Now 2013 Randy? That's a whole other story, but 2012 is golden.

With Randy...if you sign him for 2+ years, you have by about week 3 of the first season to make it worth it for him. And forget the second season either way.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

And he's won playoff games and gone to two Superbowls, winning one. Until your QB (who also hasn't had the kind of regular season #'s as that Manning guy) has done that, there's no point in putting Ryan/the team in the same sentence as Manning (or any other winning QB/team) except as extreme opposites. Don't make it out as if he Falcons are poised for success or anything...they have to prove that they aren't a disappointment and a regular-season paper tiger. There's a difference between meeting potential for success and breaking a trend in this case...and with ATL, it's the latter. Their potential is to lose the first playoff game until they can prove otherwise. But hey, at least they've got Dallas to keep them company.

I realize the Falcons need to prove themselves, I listed that Manning example to show that Matt Ryan is in the same spot as a lot of QBs have been in, I just think Ryan is too damn good to become a joke in the league.

Peyton was never the fourth best QB in his division.

Matt Ryan is.

How are Newton and Freeman better than Ryan right now? Newton has an assload of potential, but Freeman? Only way Freeman has success is if they get a ridiculously easy schedule.

 

[Matt]

With Moss, even before today, you had a very narrow time window to indicate quite early that you'd be a 13+ win team with a high seed into the playoffs and a good chance to win. And you have that one season to do it with him. If that's the case, he's likely there heart & soul. But if that sparkle wears off at all, his enthusiasm will disappear. Even if he could do 2+ years, he only wants to win now on a team that's already got a great chance. Think Pats or wherever Peyton goes (except ARZ).

And that is the reason he won't work in St Louis which would be an ideal fit. They are a young team who could use strong wideout and a veteran presence in the locker room. Plus he has a connection to Jeff Fisher and worked well enough with him. Unfortunately, he is far too selfish to be a veteran leader of a young team whose success he likely won't be around long enough to be a part of.

 

[Immortalfire]

Why aren't you people talking about Matt Moore?

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

And that is the reason he won't work in St Louis which would be an ideal fit. They are a young team who could use strong wideout and a veteran presence in the locker room. Plus he has a connection to Jeff Fisher and worked well enough with him. Unfortunately, he is far too selfish to be a veteran leader of a young team whose success he likely won't be around long enough to be a part of.

Didn't Moss tear into Fisher on a Nashville radio station when he was with them?

 

[KalMart]

I realize the Falcons need to prove themselves, I listed that Manning example to show that Matt Ryan is in the same spot as a lot of QBs have been in, I just think Ryan is too damn good to become a joke in the league.

Except that he hasn't been Peyton Manning at a comparable time, and we gave no quarter to those other QB's until they won...so why should we with Ryan until the team actually wins? You're hoping that he turns into a like-Peyton Manning with winning....but until then, he's Matt Ryan, QB of the ATL Falcons who are known for one thing: one and done...and they'll continue to be known as that until they change it. It doesn't matter how good he is if he's not a Peyton or Marino during the regular season. Heck, Tony Romo could have the potential to be better than Montana for all we know...but what is it that matters? That he's the QB of the Cowboys, who haven't won a playoff game since the Aikman/Smith era.

edit: my mistake, they've actually won one.....see how much it stands out?

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't root for your team. Just don't make the Falcons out to be a recipe for success waiting to bloom or what have you, when what they're known for is quite the contrary. Winning more than one playoff game would be against-type for them now, not expected.

 

[Erzengel]

The Cowboys have won a playoff game with Romo.

 

[KalMart]

And that is the reason he won't work in St Louis which would be an ideal fit. They are a young team who could use strong wideout and a veteran presence in the locker room.

Not his presence, though. You'll need an all-star QB and a division-leading record to get any presence from him for a season if you're lucky.

Plus he has a connection to Jeff Fisher and worked well enough with him. Unfortunately, he is far too selfish to be a veteran leader of a young team whose success he likely won't be around long enough to be a part of.

And really, why shouldn't be? He's not hurting for money, he's an all-time receiver, and he's got one gaping hole in his resume. He probably should go to a team like the Pats because honestly, as good as he could be....if he starts to go astray, he's pretty-much replaceable. There aren't a lot of choices for him, really. He's gotta be a gun-for-hire on an already-stacked team that's primed to go to the big show.

 

[KalMart]

The Cowboys have won a playoff game with Romo.

One, right? Over the Eagles I think in the wildcard? Huge step-up, huh?

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Except that he hasn't been Peyton Manning at a comparable time, and we gave no quarter to those other QB's until they won...so why should we with Ryan until the team actually wins? You're hoping that he turns into a like-Peyton Manning with winning....but until then, he's Matt Ryan, QB of the ATL Falcons who are known for one thing: one and done...and they'll continue to be known as that until they change it. It doesn't matter how good he is if he's not a Peyton or Marino during the regular season. Heck, Tony Romo could have the potential to be better than Montana for all we know...but what is it that matters? That he's the QB of the Cowboys, who haven't won a playoff game since the Aikman/Smith era.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't root for your team. Just don't make the Falcons out to be a recipe for success waiting to bloom or what have you, when what they're known for is quite the contrary. Winning more than one playoff game would be against-type for them now, not expected.

If there's one thing to do in football, it's expect the unexpected. I mean just a few months ago, everyone thought the Giants were done, and if you go back even further, Philly in the Super Bowl was almost considered a lock back then. For all we know, Tim Tebow could become the next Dan Marino. However, if the Falcons are one and done again, I'll most likely be on your train of thought. My point is the jury is still out on the Falcons, and this is year for them to prove themselves.

 

[KalMart]

If there's one thing to do in football, it's expect the unexpected.

True, but as long as we agree that what's expected is that the Flacons will lose their first game in the playoffs.

Giants went in a low seed and won all their games on the road, then won the Superbowl...once against an 18-0 team, the second knocking off the 15-1 NFC favorite along the way. That was unexpected.

The Lions made the playoffs his year. That was unexpected.

Tebow and the 8-8 Broncos beat Pitt in Pitt in the playoffs. That was unexpected.

The Falcons lost their first game of the playoffs for the third time with this QB/coach. If they make it again next year...it'll be very expected that they will lose that game. So we have yet to see their unexpected. You can't just bet on the unexpected to happen to them.....it's not bound to happen for anybody because of precedent or quantum physics, etc. They do it first, THEN we notice how unexpected it was...we don't award future unexpected value/potential to anyone.

 

[Erzengel]

I thought the Falcons would have done better this year. I mean I know they have a new OC next year but they also gave up their 1st and 4th round draft pick. They have 14 million under the cap, like to see how they tweak the team.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

A new coordinator can change a squad dramatically, just look at the Texans defense.

 

[KalMart]

I thought the Falcons would have done better this year. I mean I know they have a new OC next year but they also gave up their 1st and 4th round draft pick. They have 14 million under the cap, like to see how they tweak the team.

I think talent-wise, they have the potential. But the way they have collapsed in the postseason, something dramatic has to change and they have to be playing their best at the end of the year. Maybe a new OC will help that but we'll see. What's their defense looking like?

 

[Matt]

Not his presence, though. You'll need an all-star QB and a division-leading record to get any presence from him for a season if you're lucky.



And really, why shouldn't be? He's not hurting for money, he's an all-time receiver, and he's got one gaping hole in his resume. He probably should go to a team like the Pats because honestly, as good as he could be....if he starts to go astray, he's pretty-much replaceable. There aren't a lot of choices for him, really. He's gotta be a gun-for-higher on an already-stacked team that's primed to go to the big show.

He's done it to himself. He's had chances to be on Super Bowl contending teams. He just got cut by one last season. His attitude has superseded his talent. If he wants the ring, he has to earn it. He has to show that he has changed and can be a leader. He's brought himself down, now he has to pull himself back up.

 

[KalMart]

He's done it to himself. He's had chances to be on Super Bowl contending teams. He just got cut by one last season. His attitude has superseded his talent. If he wants the ring, he has to earn it. He has to show that he has changed and can be a leader. He's brought himself down, now he has to pull himself back up.

Like I said, you have one season tops to make it happen, and maybe five games into that one season for him to judge it worthwhile. So the best fit for him pretty much has to be a top team that could use that extra weapon, but not necessarily have to build up to that or rely solely on it.

Look at it as renting a fast but fragile race car for a team race. It'll be really fast and powerful, probably moreso than anyone else's...but if there are any maintenance issues or pushing its tolerances along the way, it won't hold up. It's basically gotta get its leg up from the outset and keep its lead the whole way.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I think talent-wise, they have the potential. But the way they have collapsed in the postseason, something dramatic has to change and they have to be playing their best at the end of the year. Maybe a new OC will help that but we'll see. What's their defense looking like?

Defense will be an improvement over the past seasons. I think Mike Nolan is going to do what he did in Miami, make a ok defense a pretty formidable one. However, I think Brent Grimes will chase the paycheck somewhere else, so it'll be after the free agent signings that we'll really get a sense of how they'll do.

Also, on the new OC, I'm a fan of the work he did in Jacksonville with Fred Taylor and MJD, and I'm hoping he can bring that kind of attack with Michael Turner and Quizz Rodgers in a increased role. Also, look out for Harry Douglas, I think Koetter will be smart enough to use him.

 

[KalMart]

How about Moss?

 

[Immortalfire]

No one cares about him. All teams in the league know Matt Moore is where its at.

 

[Donut]

Matt Moore is a member of The Avengers

 

[Darthphere]

Matt Moore is a member of The Avengers

Matt Moore is the Avengers.