2014 NFL thread: The Final Battle

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Anyone a little surprised that no one checked the condition of the footballs before an NFL game?

A playoff game, no less.
 
See, now if they get anywhere near a blowout in the Bowl, the status of the ball will be in the back of everyone's mind.
 
Like someone else said, was a rule broken? Yes, but on the list of things that could be done for a game, this is REALLY low for me. If the Pats had beaten my Browns, and this story came out, I still wouldn't care. Wake me up when we have something more interesting to talk about than air pressure in a ball.
Fans complain about rules that don't make sense all the time, so it's pretty weak for some of them to retreat to the "it's a rule!" tactic here.

The rule is a rule...but it's a dumb rule.

If it doesn't matter, then why did they look spooked today? Why not admit it?
Let's go back in time to when Brady was dismissing all this as nonsense. Did fans say, "Well...he's not acting like it's a big deal so it must be overblown"?

Nope...he was attacked for acting that way too.

Fans are all over him no matter what he does. (gotta love sports fans)

It kinda makes sense that he would act different when the media has blown this up into a major issue. How could he possibly react any other way?

It does help the grip on the ball. Its not the reason why they're a winning team, but it might help in a game or two. I mean, if they did it against the Ravens where they won by 4 points it would raise questions (though we won't know when/if they have done this before). And if it didn't help at all they wouldn't do it.

Apparently the Patriots have an abnormally low rate of fumbles since 2007, ironically 1 year after this rule of teams handling the balls began in 2006. Maybe its coincidence or maybe there are other variables, but the next team isn't even close. Here's a link: http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/ (It sometimes crashes from the traffic) Its interesting to look at and see the rest of the NFL hovers around the same area, yet the Pats are waaay off in the distance.

Maybe they have players who are outstanding at holding onto the ball, but I think the Bengals might disagree...
Let's use a more scientific approach.

We only know the status of the balls on one game. We know the balls were under inflated for the first half and within the limits for the second half.

What were the results?

Based on the actual facts we know, it not only made no difference in their performance....the regulation pressure made the Pats play better! That's the only evidence we have. Everything else is part of your "might" and not worth basing an opinion on.

There really is no basis for all this drama. I mean....I'm hearing some people talk from such an extreme position of ignorance that they don't even know what psi means. Some are actually claiming that makes the ball "2 pounds lighter"! :wow:

And the other players coming out and saying they can't tell the difference in the ball is falling on deaf ears too.

This is smelling like a witch hunt to me.

If it doesn't matter why is there a rule and why did they break it? It is cute to mention it doesn't matter. I agree they would have most likely won no matter what. But if it doesn't matter, why did they do it?
I would say because that's what QB's do. When you hear all these statements from other QB's talking about how they like the ball a certain way, there is no reason to think Brady is any different.
 
The more I look into this it seems more of an oversight than outright cheating.
http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/1/22...efter-reports-nfl-struggling-to-find-evidence

Per Schefter, the league might be able to release their findings at some point today. He also says that the NFL is struggling to collect any evidence that the Patriots knowingly affected the football, and that the burden of proof lies with the league to determine guilt. If the league cannot find evidence that the Patriots tampered with the football, then there's nothing that should happen to New England.
 
Anyone a little surprised that no one checked the condition of the footballs before an NFL game?

A playoff game, no less.

This right here is why the whole situation is highly questionable.

The refs checked those balls and deemed them suitable. And it's highly unlikely anyone was able to sneak and deflate them after the fact. So what happened?
 
The more I look into this it seems more of an oversight than outright cheating.
http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/1/22...efter-reports-nfl-struggling-to-find-evidence

Per Schefter, the league might be able to release their findings at some point today. He also says that the NFL is struggling to collect any evidence that the Patriots knowingly affected the football, and that the burden of proof lies with the league to determine guilt. If the league cannot find evidence that the Patriots tampered with the football, then there's nothing that should happen to New England.

This is what I'm thinking, I'm think that honestly there was just a **** up. **** happens.
 
This right here is why the whole situation is highly questionable.

The refs checked those balls and deemed them suitable. And it's highly unlikely anyone was able to sneak and deflate them after the fact. So what happened?

I believe there is a 10 minute time period between when the refs check the balls, and the balls go out to the field.
 
See, now if they get anywhere near a blowout in the Bowl, the status of the ball will be in the back of everyone's mind.

I might have heard this wrong, but didn't they score 28 points AFTER the balls were found and aired up?
 
I might have heard this wrong, but didn't they score 28 points AFTER the balls were found and aired up?

They actually played better with the proper aired balls...I believe Gronk didn't start catching the ball until they switched.
 
You gotta love the desperate Patriot defenders:

- "It doesn't matter!!"
- "Everyone does it!!"
- "We would have won anyway!!"
- "The refs screwed up by not catching us. Blame them!!!"


Now we have TheBat812 with this gem:

- "The Colts could have done it!!! Has anyone investigated that?!!!"

Then to top it off, you have Brady and Belicheat looking like this guy:

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Lol, it was just another possibility thrown out there - considering that the balls were checked and confirmed to be of proper weight right before the game by game refs, it seems just as likely and/or plausible that a Colts rep changed it as a Patriots rep. How? Clearly nobody knows where in the process this occured and how, so I don't see any harm in just stating another (unlikely) possibility. Maybe I'm crazy, but the fact that the balls came in at an illegal weight (an issue the Colts specifically had experienced) and then actually hurt the Pats' play makes it just as plausible that the Colts might want to create their own advantage by simultaneously giving Brady a ball he's not used to and setting them up for scrutiny. Not saying I believe that that happened, but motivation-wise it actually seems more plausible that the Colts would want to tamper with their footballs than for the patriots to do so.

Honestly, this feels much more like a witch hunt on the part of Patriots haters than Patriots apologists - I'm not even a fan of the Pats, I just don't think they did this purposefully to cheat. It clearly didn't help them in any way in the game, and in fact seemed to hurt them - they played MUCH better when the balls were back to being what Brady expected them to be at.


And sure, all those NFL players have great points, but they also did NOT address the idea that maybe once the game actually began they might be so focused on other things that they might not even notice any issues with the football. Once again, I liken it to any job - you prep your gear to the way you like it, test it out and make sure it's going to get teh job done - but once on the job, your focus is on the task at hand and you trust that your gear was the way you set it. It really doesn't seem like an implausible scenario to me. :huh:

But I digress, we'll see if they find out anything.
 
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Btw, for those who think he should have noticed the weight difference between the underinflated balls and his regular 12.5 psi balls, the difference in ACTUAL weight is merely .25 ounces -
A standard NFL football has between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch of pressure; that’s equivalent to 15 ounces. When we deflate the ball by 2 PSI, at 10.5 pounds of pressure per square inch, the football weighed 14 and 3/4 ounces, just a quarter ounce less. That’s like being able to feel the difference between holding 2 and 3 sheets of paper in your hand.

Source: http://wwlp.com/2015/01/22/what-difference-do-under-inflated-footballs-really-make/
 
Btw, for those who think he should have noticed the weight difference between the underinflated balls and his regular 12.5 psi balls, the difference in ACTUAL weight is merely .25 ounces -

Source: http://wwlp.com/2015/01/22/what-difference-do-under-inflated-footballs-really-make/

Who's judging it by weight? That's idiotic.

It's considerably easier to tell a ball is 2lb underinflated by feel. The damn thing would be squishy.

The weight would be next to nothing, because you're talking about the difference in mass of the air particles. But the feel of the ball would be obvious. Its a significant amount of air. That's clearly an evasive point.
 
Who's judging it by weight? That's idiotic.

It's considerably easier to tell a ball is 2lb underinflated by feel. The damn thing would be squishy.

The weight would be next to nothing, because you're talking about the difference in mass of the air particles. But the feel of the ball would be obvious. Its a significant amount of air. That's clearly an evasive point.
I've seen the argument made in multiple places, not necessarily on this site, just posting up some information.

The difference in feel from 10.5 to 12.5 is also pretty small unless you are looking for defects and squeezing it in unnatural ways. If you've ever thrown a football (correctly), you know that gripping a football doesn't constitute squeezing in that way, and therefore would be unlikely to be noticed on the field of play with other pressing matters at hand.

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Coming Sunday, my annual PRO BOWL party thread! :woot:


Just kidding. I will however, begin the usual Super Bowl thread and poll. Be there!
 
If it doesn't matter, then why did they look spooked today? Why not admit it?

Honestly, didn't watch any of the press conference coverage. Because this story 100% doesn't interest me, and it wouldn't interest me regardless of what team supposedly did this. This whole story is a non-issue for me.
 
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Let's test this and see if there is a bias.

Should the NFL launch an investigation into Aaron Rodgers and the Packers? Should they be fined or should we start to question their win against the Cowboys? (a much closer game)


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Why would there be an investigation? Rodgers admitted putting more air in the balls before the game. If the referee who inspected those balls let it go, then that should be on them.

The Patriots are under investigation for altering the balls DURING the game.
 
This is what I'm thinking, I'm think that honestly there was just a **** up. **** happens.

These are exactly my sentiments, which is why I'm not even bothering to join the debate on this damn story.
 
The NFL actually used the phrase "forensic evidence" in the statement yesterday.

CSI: NFL coming next Fall.
 
Are we still talking about the balls?

My god... let it go people... :whatever:

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Thinking about how the NFL has been collecting video evidence apparently and whatever else they've put together, wouldn't it be hilarious if in a security video released it shows an Indianapolis Colts equipment manager or ball boy sneaking into the Patriots locker room and deflating their footballs? That'd be quite the turnaround and I'd die laughing ha.
 
It would also be extremely unlikely.
 
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