The Avengers 3 Things you WORRY about happenining in the Avengers...

[Doc Samson]

I don't have 3 things, just one really. I guess that the whole thing comes off corny & cheesy.

No matter how cool things are in the comics, sometimes, something gets lost in translation. I'm extremely excited, I love the prospect of seeing Thor tussle with the Hulk, I hope they include the Skrulls and/or Shaper of Worlds, if it has that globetrotting feel to it, that's another plus for the epic scale a movie like this would command.

But...there's a possibility it just doesn't work like we hope, and I have to acknowledge that.

 

[nogap87]

1) Uninspired action scenes

2) Set pieces that look like set pieces

3) The villain/threat being defeated in 2 minutes with minimum effort.

 

[November Rain]

there has yet to be a decent final battle with a villain in a marvel film, it may not happen in the avengers.

it's going to have ass-pull written all over it.

 

[Doc Samson]

there has yet to be a decent final battle with a villain in a marvel film, it may not happen in the avengers.

I thought the Hulk & the Abomination mixed it up pretty good?

 

[sgaana]

there has yet to be a decent final battle with a villain in a marvel film, it may not happen in the avengers.

it's going to have ass-pull written all over it.

While I agree that I want the final battle in this movie to be over and above anything else we've seen to date... and worrying about whether it'll be big enough...

Is there a specific reason you've already decided that it's going to disappoint?

 

[misjuevos]

i thought thor's end fight scene was good. i mean he is thor second only to odin, of course his fight would look easy.

 

[BigThor]

I thought the Hulk & the Abomination mixed it up pretty good?

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i thought thor's end fight scene was good. i mean he is thor second only to odin, of course his fight would look easy.

This as well

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

1. Feeling too "small" and not epic enough.
2. Characters not having proper power representation (Cap not having showing his agility like in "The First Avenger" or Thor not using his lightning or super-strength as much as he should have.)
3. No proper character development and lack of truly emotional scenes

Bonus: Not having enough action. Seriously, Marvel; Your past films haven't been big on the action. I want something spectacular like the Spider-Man 2 fights. Hell, even Spider-Man 3 had great fight scenes. This is your biggest and THE biggest CBM yet! Go all out!

i thought thor's end fight scene was good. i mean he is thor second only to odin, of course his fight would look easy.

Then what about the Destroyer fight? That should have been long and brutal. Instead, it was short and pretty unsatisfying.

 

[BigThor]

2. Characters not having proper power representation (Cap not having showing his agility like in "The First Avenger" or Thor not using his lightning or super-strength as much as he should have.)
3. No proper character development and lack of truly emotional scenes

Bonus: Not having enough action. Seriously, Marvel; Your past films haven't been big on the action. I want something spectacular like the Spider-Man 2 fights. Hell, even Spider-Man 3 had great fight scenes. This is your biggest and THE biggest CBM yet! Go all out!

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Then what about the Destroyer fight? That should have been long and brutal. Instead, it was short and pretty unsatisfying.

True, but it wasn't the final battle and even though it was short it was pretty spectacular (tornadoes, energy deflection etc).

 

[Superhero 101]

I was so disappointed by the destroyer fight at the end of Thor I still don't know what's more disappointing the Thor vs destroyer fight or the iron man and war machine vs whiplash fight. The cap vs red skull fight was mediocre and the Thor vs Loki fight is understandable why it was cut so short. Hands down best fight scenes ever for a cbm has to be hulk vs abomination and dock ock vs spidey in the train.

 

[Flint Marko]

1. Everyone's mentioned this so far, but it's an extremely valid worry: the amount of cheese in this movie. The humor in pretty much every MS movie so far has been handled pretty well and didn't come off to forced, so I hope they can stick with that.
2. Any one character getting shafted. I'm not to concerned with this because I think Whedon is more than capable of handling an ensemble cast, but if any of the big 4 (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk) take a backseat to the other 3, it'll be a big problem.
3. There has to be a fight with Cap, Thor, and Iron man vs Hulk. There HAS TO BE.

 

[November Rain]

I thought the Hulk & the Abomination mixed it up pretty good?

scale wise, it was quite small.

a small linear encounter on a street and then a rooftop battle.

it should be central park scale in the avengers with chaos everywhere.

it should be no less than the scale in dark side of the moon. I have to give props to bay because that was the best city wide threat and battle i've seen in a film for a long long time.

and to be fair, the scale up from transformers one to three should be the type of thing we see in the other films to the avengers.

remember the threat has to be legitimately worldwide threatening and require all their joint talents to oppose.

set pieces, (not necessarily the final one but at least one of them) has to be pretty damn big.

 

[November Rain]

i thought thor's end fight scene was good. i mean he is thor second only to odin, of course his fight would look easy.

i again think that was pretty small but i don't have an issue with it because it's probably a tension build up for later on down the franchise.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

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True, but it wasn't the final battle and even though it was short it was pretty spectacular (tornadoes, energy deflection etc).

Yeah, that's true. I just wanted to see something more like this:

 

[November Rain]

yeah, thor got his powers back and i was waiting for a city sized throwdown and the destroyer got one-shotted



what a waste. And to think loki entrusts that to guard his goody box room, lame

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

yeah, thor got his powers back and i was waiting for a city sized throwdown and the destroyer got one-shotted



what a waste. And to think loki entrusts that to guard his goody box room, lame

Yeah, I don't understand why Marvel spent the money to build the town in Thor from the ground up if they weren't going to tear it down in a massive battle. Only a few windows and cars were destroyed, from what I remember.

 

[November Rain]

yeah, it was a pretty big set. it probably cost them more to take it apart nicely than to blow the whole lot up in a fight as well.

considering how big a hitter thor his, his biggest feat in his film was flipping over a table

ooooh, he spilt the lettuce, frost giants beware...

 

[sgaana]

Yeah, I don't understand why Marvel spent the money to build the town in Thor from the ground up if they weren't going to tear it down in a massive battle. Only a few windows and cars were destroyed, from what I remember.

Because Marvel DIDN'T spend the money to build that town from the ground up. (You're right -- maybe it would have been better if they had.)

The town of Puente Antiguo in Thor was "played by" the town used in Western movies like "Silverado" and "Appaloosa". (This info comes from the Art of Thor book.)

They took the existing town, which is built on a private ranch in NM that rents out to movie productions, and retro-fitted it (or should that be, "futuro-fitted"?) to update it from "19th century Old West" set to make it into a town that could look like it was originally built in the 19th century and has been lived in ever since -- adding things like modern signs and modern facades to older buildings, and yes, building some completely new stuff (like the space-age looking car dealership that was Jane's hang-out; obviously that's something that would have been built in the 50s).

But they couldn't destroy the entire town. In fact, it looks like they might have needed to be able to return the town to its Old West state following their shoot -- because the same town is used as Absolution in "Cowboys & Aliens". (I guess it depends on which movie shot there first!) You get to the point where you immediately recognize that corner building that's usually used as a saloon...

(Bonanza Creek Ranch is the one I'm talking about. Their website's filmography, unfortunately, has not been updated past 2000. So it includes Silverado, but not any of the movies shot in the last 10 years. Appaloosa's DVD extras confirmed they used the same town as that in Silverado, though. The Art of Thor book mentions Silverado as well. And the CinemaReview website is one of the sources claiming that C&A used Bonanza Creek Ranch.)

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

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[ThePowerCosmic]

yeah, it was a pretty big set. it probably cost them more to take it apart nicely than to blow the whole lot up in a fight as well.

considering how big a hitter thor his, his biggest feat in his film was flipping over a table

ooooh, he spilt the lettuce, frost giants beware...

Exactly, he hardly displayed his godly strength at all. I don't know if you've seen "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes", but in the show he's had buildings slammed down into him by Frost Giants and has also lifted the Giants over his head to throw them with ease. That's the type of strength and endurance I wished we had gotten. Oh well, there's always hope for the sequels.

Because Marvel DIDN'T spend the money to build that town from the ground up. (You're right -- maybe it would have been better if they had.)

The town of Puente Antiguo in Thor was "played by" the town used in Western movies like "Silverado" and "Appaloosa". (This info comes from the Art of Thor book.)

They took the existing town, which is built on a private ranch in NM that rents out to movie productions, and retro-fitted it (or should that be, "futuro-fitted"?) to update it from "19th century Old West" set to make it into a town that could look like it was originally built in the 19th century and has been lived in ever since -- adding things like modern signs and modern facades to older buildings, and yes, building some completely new stuff (like the space-age looking car dealership that was Jane's hang-out; obviously that's something that would have been built in the 50s).

But they couldn't destroy the entire town. In fact, it looks like they might have needed to be able to return the town to its Old West state following their shoot -- because the same town is used as Absolution in "Cowboys & Aliens". (I guess it depends on which movie shot there first!) You get to the point where you immediately recognize that corner building that's usually used as a saloon...

(Bonanza Creek Ranch is the one I'm talking about. Their website's filmography, unfortunately, has not been updated past 2000. So it includes Silverado, but not any of the movies shot in the last 10 years. Appaloosa's DVD extras confirmed they used the same town as that in Silverado, though. The Art of Thor book mentions Silverado as well. And the CinemaReview website is one of the sources claiming that C&A used Bonanza Creek Ranch.)

You sure? Feige noted Marvel actually built a town on a Santa Fe ranch in the New Mexico desert rather than film in an existing town. "The only reason to build a town like this instead of shooting in a town like this is to tear it down," said Feige.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29815

 

[sgaana]

You sure? Feige noted Marvel actually built a town on a Santa Fe ranch in the New Mexico desert rather than film in an existing town. "The only reason to build a town like this instead of shooting in a town like this is to tear it down," said Feige.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29815

As I said -- that somewhat contradicts the information that is printed in "The Art of Thor" book, put out by Marvel. Although, that book's at home, so I'd have to wait until then to pull the exact quotes.

Also, I did recognize some of the buildings, even "updated" as they were.

The thing is that Feige's statement isn't completely contradicted by the information that they shot at Bonanza Creek Ranch (which has -- you guessed it -- a Sante Fe address).

By "existing town", Feige may mean a REAL town... which the Old West town set at Bonanza Creek isn't, obviously. And certainly, Marvel built new elements to add to the existing set -- the lab/car dealership is only the most obvious one to point to. So yes, they substantially retrofitted/updated the existing set for the movie, they did a lot of building.

And I'm not meaning to imply that they couldn't subject the set to a LOT of destruction. They obviously did. So did C&A (an awful lot of it got blown up and set on fire). It may be inaccurate to talk about the set being "original", in the sense that it gets substantially tweaked and rebuilt by each production that uses it -- the Appaloosa DVD, as I said, had a feature about how they transformed the basic set into what they wanted, and they showed some comparison shots between what they did and how it looked in Silverado.

Another thing I don't know (but find interesting) is the question of... who has primary responsibility for the condition in which the set is left? Bonanza Creek seems to be a private ranch that rents out as a location, and gets used by so many productions (these four I'm talking about aren't the only ones, by a long shot) because it offers this ready-made Old West set that the productions can customize. Maybe it gets put into the rental contract, regarding not only what they can do to customize it, but also whether or not they have to "leave it in the state they found it in"?

There's no reason to suppose that a production couldn't contract with the ranch to blow a lot of it up -- clearly both THOR and C&A did that. It makes one wonder what was actually left after the movies were done shooting. But then -- you've got this one recognizable building showing up in each of the four movies I've talked about. So there must be some effort to return the overall set to its original state after each production.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

As I said -- that somewhat contradicts the information that is printed in "The Art of Thor" book, put out by Marvel. Although, that book's at home, so I'd have to wait until then to pull the exact quotes.

Also, I did recognize some of the buildings, even "updated" as they were.

The thing is that Feige's statement isn't completely contradicted by the information that they shot at Bonanza Creek Ranch (which has -- you guessed it -- a Sante Fe address).

By "existing town", Feige may mean a REAL town... which the Old West town set at Bonanza Creek isn't, obviously. And certainly, Marvel built new elements to add to the existing set -- the lab/car dealership is only the most obvious one to point to. So yes, they substantially retrofitted/updated the existing set for the movie, they did a lot of building.

And I'm not meaning to imply that they couldn't subject the set to a LOT of destruction. They obviously did. So did C&A (an awful lot of it got blown up and set on fire). It may be inaccurate to talk about the set being "original", in the sense that it gets substantially tweaked and rebuilt by each production that uses it -- the Appaloosa DVD, as I said, had a feature about how they transformed the basic set into what they wanted, and they showed some comparison shots between what they did and how it looked in Silverado.

Another thing I don't know (but find interesting) is the question of... who has primary responsibility for the condition in which the set is left? Bonanza Creek seems to be a private ranch that rents out as a location, and gets used by so many productions (these four I'm talking about aren't the only ones, by a long shot) because it offers this ready-made Old West set that the productions can customize. Maybe it gets put into the rental contract, regarding not only what they can do to customize it, but also whether or not they have to "leave it in the state they found it in"?

There's no reason to suppose that a production couldn't contract with the ranch to blow a lot of it up -- clearly both THOR and C&A did that. It makes one wonder what was actually left after the movies were done shooting. But then -- you've got this one recognizable building showing up in each of the four movies I've talked about. So there must be some effort to return the overall set to its original state after each production.

Ohh, I see. Well said, that makes a lot of sense. Now you've got me wondering the same things as you, damn it!

 

[steintym]

This movie absolutely has to, HAS To, have an epic final battle. Everything has hinted at a major global threat and I want to actually see that and see it taken down.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea the Thor vs Destroyer fight was disappointing. I wanted to see a slobber knocker that dragged out for like, 10 minutes.

But I really liked the final battle with Loki. Not so much for the actual fighting, but because it was just so emotionally charged and both Hemsworth and Hiddleston were brilliant.

Avengers final fight needs to be out of hand though.

 

[nogap87]

I want this film to have the type of action and special effects that makes electronic stores want to use the film to showcase the latest TVs.

And I mean the whole film. Not just one scene that's put on a loop because the rest of the movie drags on and is kinda boring. It needs to be awesome from beginning to end.