The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4!

[Yurka]

Actually, according to Empire Article, Nolan states this:



Just because the film introduces us to the character doesn't necessarily make it the same as the backstory of the character. Let's not forget that Nolan has a tendency to play around with time in his films, not to mention how much more of an effective introduction to Bane would it be if

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we already see him as Bane and defeating Batman like the supposed description of the prologue states?

. Let's also not forget that the description about the prologue that was leaked came out before it was confirmed that The Dark Knight Rises would be taking place eight years later, and certainly, based on the supposed details of that prologue, it definitely puts it in a much better light and context now. Granted, it's possible that the supposed leak of the prologue is fake and that there's been hints about Bane's backstory being in the film, but it's also entirely possible that the supposed description of the prologue could happen first and then we get Bane's backstory.

No, Nolan didn't say that the prologue shows Bane's backstory, but it serves as an introduction to Bane. Bane can be introduced before flashing back to his origins.

Semantics. I meant we'll get some info about Bane and his character.

 

[blknrdcllctv]

Looks like the Imax at the Franklin Institute will be showing M:I. Which means it's very likely that they will have the prologue! t:

Are you talking in Philly? I already called and the person I spoke with had no idea. Let me know if you find out anything different.

 

[infamous]

People on the internet are hard at work as we speak typing up fake prologue descriptions based on Nolan's reveal of the premise of the prologue.

 

[Nevincer]

Semantics. I meant we'll get some info about Bane and his character.

But you also dismissed that description, or anything in vein of said description by using the term "backstory". I wanted to correct you because it could give the wrong impression that the prologue can't be an event taking place in the present. The only criteria is that the prologue itself is about Bane, and is the first scene we see of him.

 

[Octoberist]

How did that 'prologue' leak became so popular? Because it makes no sense if you know film and storytelling. Six minutes of Batman being chased then meeting and fighting Bane with a monolog at the Batcave, then Batman getting his back broken.....All in six minutes.

Sure...sure.

 

[Yurka]

But you also dismissed that description, or anything in vein of said description by using the term "backstory". I wanted to correct you because it could give the wrong impression that the prologue can't be an event taking place in the present. The only criteria is that the prologue itself is about Bane, and is the first scene we see of him.

I dismissed it because it starts with Batman being chased by the police immediately following the events of TDK. We know the prologue is an introduction to Bane, and we know the story takes place 8 years later, those are just two of the reasons I dismissed it. The prologue can absolutely be in the present, hell, even the future.

 

[Nevincer]

I dismissed it because it starts with Batman being chased by the police immediately following the events of TDK. We know the prologue is an introduction to Bane, and we know the story takes place 8 years later, those are just two of the reasons I dismissed it. The prologue can absolutely be in the present, hell, even the future.

As far as the audience knew the Joker prologue in TDK were just his goons infiltrating and robbing a mob bank until one of them took off his mask and revealed he was actually the Joker. You could say he was there the whole time because of that, but until he revealed himself, the Joker wasn't really 'introduced' until the end of the prologue, even so it's still an introduction to the Joker.

As for the time skip, we know the story picks up eight years after TDK but that doesn't necessitate that it opens up like that. If Nolan has gone back to his non-linear narrative, then he could easily open the film in the TDK timeframe, just like he opened up Batman Begins with Bruce as a child falling into a well (despite the fact the 'story' picks up with Bruce in jail and being recruited by the League).

I'm not saying the description is real, but I wouldn't discount it just because it has Batman or that it opens with something that isn't in present time. You say future and present are perfectly acceptable, but past is certainly too if it's "flashback" before the main story kicks in.

 

[Dragon_316ca]

I'm pretty sure only U.S. theaters will play the prologue. And trailer.

It would be both ironic and unfair for WB to not give the prologue to a country where IMAX was originated from.

 

[Nevincer]

It would be both ironic and unfair for WB to not give the prologue to a country where IMAX was originated from.

Agreed. And it's definitely not just U.S because I've heard some UK IMAX theaters have the prologue lined up too.

 

[Yurka]

As far as the audience knew the Joker prologue in TDK were just his goons infiltrating and robbing a mob bank until one of them took off his mask and revealed he was actually the Joker. You could say he was there the whole time because of that, but until he revealed himself, the Joker wasn't really 'introduced' until the end of the prologue, even so it's still an introduction to the Joker.

As for the time skip, we know the story picks up eight years after TDK but that doesn't necessitate that it opens up like that. If Nolan has gone back to his non-linear narrative, then he could easily open the film in the TDK timeframe, just like he opened up Batman Begins with Bruce as a child falling into a well (despite the fact the 'story' picks up with Bruce in jail and being recruited by the League).

I'm not saying the description is real, but I wouldn't discount it just because it has Batman or that it opens with something that isn't in present time. You say future and present are perfectly acceptable, but past is certainly too if it's "flashback" before the main story kicks in.

I agree, but those were just two reasons that immediately caught my eye that told me it was most likely fake. There are tons more reasons to suggest it's fake in there, but those two were just the most obvious initially.

 

[Nevincer]

I agree, but those were just two reasons that immediately caught my eye that told me it was most likely fake. There are tons more reasons in there, but those two were the most obvious initially.

I think what most assuredly makes it fake is that it reads like a fanfiction. It's far too detailed for just an account of it, has too much happening for only 6 minutes, and some dialogue is ripped straight from "Knightfall" I believe? I'm sure the whole 'silence your agony' thing was from the comics, and I don't think it's up Nolan's alley to take dialogue directly from the comics, even less so to water it down like the writer did and make it sound really, really hokey.

I hope though, that it's not the first description we got, with League of Shadows ninjas infiltrating the prison with Bane. Ugh.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The thing with the LoS rescuing Bane from prison has been kicking around since June at that website we can't link to by one of their most prolific reporters there. Or what passes for frequent reporting there. Except it was either Pence or Neeson, not Talia, leading them. The alleged source wasn't sure but said it was filmed at someplace. I didn't add it to my own wiki because of how dubious it all could be.

 

[sqwhale]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the prologue is indeed Bane meeting Batman and breaking him. All we know is it introduces Bane and is "mind blowing". Can't think of anything more mind blowing than breaking the back of the protagonist in the first 6 min.

 

[Victarion]

I think what most assuredly makes it fake is that it reads like a fanfiction. It's far too detailed for just an account of it, has too much happening for only 6 minutes, and some dialogue is ripped straight from "Knightfall" I believe? I'm sure the whole 'silence your agony' thing was from the comics, and I don't think it's up Nolan's alley to take dialogue directly from the comics, even less so to water it down like the writer did and make it sound really, really hokey.

I hope though, that it's not the first description we got, with League of Shadows ninjas infiltrating the prison with Bane. Ugh.

The worst I have read featured Ra's paying some prisoner to fight Bane.

Sqwhale, its not hard to beat that, really. To just throw that scene out right in the beginning would rob it of that impact that it could have later on after Bane has been developed a bit and Batman has been developed.

 

[sqwhale]

I would be fine with that intro, honestly I would be fine with anything besides that wretched fake one with Ra's in the prison.
If Batman gets broken I believe it would happen at the beginning. It would be hard to have that happen mid movie IMO and would still have the same impact.

 

[Street Vendor]

Are you talking in Philly? I already called and the person I spoke with had no idea. Let me know if you find out anything different.

Yep. It's a 70mm true IMAX theater, so it should fit the criteria for the prologue. Someone on the Nolanfan board mentioned it would be showing there. When I find out more I'll let you know.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Brokeback Batman will happen at the end of act 1. That's the most structurally sound place to put it.

Unless Nolan works his non-linear magic and start with backbreaking while the rest of the first act catches us up to that point.

 

[stillanerd]

I think what most assuredly makes it fake is that it reads like a fanfiction. It's far too detailed for just an account of it, has too much happening for only 6 minutes, and some dialogue is ripped straight from "Knightfall" I believe? I'm sure the whole 'silence your agony' thing was from the comics, and I don't think it's up Nolan's alley to take dialogue directly from the comics, even less so to water it down like the writer did and make it sound really, really hokey.

I agree that both of those points are reasons enough to be suspicious about that synopsis of the prologue. However, the things in its favor are:

1. It let's the audience to know what kind of character Bane is before we know who he is. Right away, we learn the guy is intelligent, a patient and meticulous strategist, a skilled and vicious fighter--all without specifically telling us who he is, where he came from, why he's doing this, and--more importantly--how the hell he knows Bruce Wayne is Batman. And him utterly beating the crap out of Batman--Batman, of all people--shows this is a guy who is a genuine and dangerous threat right from the start.

2. It provides a possible reason for why there's an eight year gap in-between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises and what happened to Batman in-between that time: he got injured so badly he was forced to recuperate which, realistically, would take a very long time and, because of that beat-down on top of everything that happened in The Dark Knight, makes him unsure if he can ever come back as Batman even after he recovers, thus setting up the challenge he'll have to face for the rest of the film. Not to mention by having Batman disappear for several years and then come back, it creates a deliberate echo to the first film in which Bruce disappeared for years.

3. It's a shocking way to open the movie. I mean, you have the hero beaten right at the beginning of the film, something which is almost unheard of in superhero movies. And if that wasn't enough, the hero is Batman--the guy who is supposed to be the ultimate badass. And, after seeing him get physically and psychologically destroyed like this, we then cut to eight years later? That's a hell of a way to open the film and hook the audience, don't you think?

 

[KRIM]

There will be no back breaking. Nolan is not a rip-off artist. This is his own story.

What does that have to do with being inspired and taking from seminal events in the source? He's done it plenty of times already.

 

[sqwhale]

There will be no back breaking. Nolan is not a rip-off artist. This is his own story.

Rip off? No but obviously certain comics had a huge influence. I take it you never read Year One?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There will be no back breaking. Nolan is not a rip-off artist. This is his own story.

By your stilted definition Nolan is a master rip-off artist. Seeing as how he remade a foreign film with the same character and plot beats.

 

[blknrdcllctv]

Yep. It's a 70mm true IMAX theater, so it should fit the criteria for the prologue. Someone on the Nolanfan board mentioned it would be showing there. When I find out more I'll let you know.

Thanks dude! When I was still living in Philly I went there to see TDK 2 or 3 times. I have to admit, I got a little queasy when I saw Inception there. It just felt overwhelming at times.

I really hope they are showing the prologue there.

 

[slimshady247]

I think what most assuredly makes it fake is that it reads like a fanfiction. It's far too detailed for just an account of it, has too much happening for only 6 minutes, and some dialogue is ripped straight from "Knightfall" I believe? I'm sure the whole 'silence your agony' thing was from the comics, and I don't think it's up Nolan's alley to take dialogue directly from the comics, even less so to water it down like the writer did and make it sound really, really hokey.

I hope though, that it's not the first description we got, with League of Shadows ninjas infiltrating the prison with Bane. Ugh.

What description are we talking about here???

 

[KRIM]

Yes, but Nolan has never directly ripped off major plot points from the comics.

That's definitely false. Just as an example, Joker's overarching motive, with the testing and corruption of ideals, is ripped straight out of The Killing Joke. Jonah, the screenwriter, has attested to this.

 

[Pagan]

Yes, but Nolan has never directly ripped off major plot points from the comics.

The kidnapping of Gordon's kid was right out of year one. The only difference was who was kidnapping him.
The bats swarming to the sonic to give him cover was right out of year one.

Bruce botching his first outing w/o the suit was in year one.

there's a ton more these are just a few