7.15 - Veritas - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Memphis Slim]

Okay...........how far do Chloes' powers of healing go?? They were kryptonite-caused, in origin. Can she heal Lana of her issue and negate Brainiac's control or will they stretch this out?

 

[Herolee10]

Okay...........how far do Chloes' powers of healing go?? They were kryptonite-caused, in origin. Can she heal Lana of her issue and negate Brainiac's control or will they stretch this out?

I think Chloe's powers are limited towards natural caused wounds and not artificially created diseases/viruses like the ones Brainiac is using against Lana, so it'd be impossible even for Chloe to heal her, of course that's my take on it.

on a different note...I'm surprised that noone's talking about the "wheelchair" homage they had for Chris's character on tonight's episode. I'm not sure about you guys but I got chills just seeing the wheelchair. Did anyone else notice how much power Virgil's presence just had on the rest of the veritas members. If my memory serves me correct, even back during the days when Lionel was full on a MB and evil, the only character he'd never talked down with his arrogance was Virgil Swann, and even when talking about him, he'd always call him in respect "DR SWANN". I'm really glad that they still pay tribute to Chris's character today and continue to add more importance to the character of the guy who I'm sure most would agree was the biggest and most important guest star to appear on Smallville.

Also, Virgil Swann in my opinion, had the most influence on Clark than anyone else in the entire show, including lanat:

 

[Memphis Slim]

[quote=herolee10;14410936]I think Chloe's powers are limited towards natural caused wounds and not artificially created diseases/viruses like the ones Brainiac is using against Lana, so it'd be impossible even for Chloe to heal her, of course that's my take on it.

on a different note...I'm surprised that noone's talking about the "wheelchair" homage they had for Chris's character on tonight's episode. I'm not sure about you guys but I got chills just seeing the wheelchair. Did anyone else notice how much power Virgil's presence just had on the rest of the veritas members. If my memory serves me correct, even back during the days when Lionel was full on a MB and evil, the only character he'd never talked down with his arrogance was Virgil Swann, and even when talking about him, he'd always call him in respect "DR SWANN". I'm really glad that they still pay tribute to Chris's character today and continue to add more importance to the character of the guy who I'm sure most would agree was the biggest and most important guest star to appear on Smallville.

Also, Virgil Swann in my opinion, had the most influence on Clark than anyone else in the entire show, including lanat:

[/QUOTE]But how do we know?? She hasn't tried yet....

 

[Mike_D202]

WE DONT!!! LIONEL IS GONNA LIVE AND CHLOE IS GONNA BITE THE BIG ONE!!

(cause the actor whose playing Lionel played in Gremlins 2).

 

[mellyM]

I've read some of the posts people thought about the ending being weak and I have to disagree. I gotta say I thought the ending was just so perfectly handled. The music, the setting, the angel statue. I really hope we can all agree how perfect AM played her role. It was a heartbreaking scene to me, to be honest.

A lot of people seem disappointed there wasn't more action, but this wasn't a finale and its also the first part of a two parter. I know those are harder to deal with because there's no resolution. I thought the end was perfect--Clark was completely lost and I think he'll realize he can't have the simple life he wants, he'll never be able to. He'll have to seriously step things up. Whether that means he needs to fly or not, I don't know, but I don't think its absolutely the be-all answer.

 

[The War Machine]

i m not saying clark can beat darkseid at this stage but clark can put off good fight against darkseid i mean Brianaic is as strong as Darkseid is he ????

Brainiac is more powerful than Clark.

What happens though is villians in Smallville tend to fall by their own stupidity, since Clark can't kill..

So yeah, they could still have Darkseid brought in and have him eventually defeated; its quite a feat though.

 

[The War Machine]

Yea, whatever happened to "Nothing will ever be the same" after Veritas?

It's a reference to Lex becoming the show's magnificent bastard most likely.

 

[Whiteflag]

Whether that means he needs to fly or not, I don't know, but I don't think its absolutely the be-all answer.

The flying thing was not as relevant at the beginning of the show because we all knew of the "no flying" policy. We expected Clark flying by the end of the show, that was the original idea. But now things have changed. We have Kara flying and she's done that from her very first day on earth (which was a terrible decision, IMO). The MM flies, Brainiac flies... and Clark doesn't. We know that he can and now it appears that he just doesn't want to do it. That's a HUGE disservice to the character.

I know they didn't expect the show to last this much and many things that were not supposed to happen have happened already. Now it's time for allowing Clark to fly. The impact of the "flying at the end of the series" is lost. They Clark's stagnation is frustrating and is seriously damaging the character: he stays at the farm, doesn't go to college, doesn't travel the world, doesn't leave damaged relationships behind... Clark has to fly, in every sense.

Maybe when TPTB stop looking for ways to stagnate Clark’s development they’ll begin to come up with creative stories that focus on their main character.

 

[The War Machine]

We have Kara flying and she's done that from her very first day on earth (which was a terrible decision, IMO). The MM flies, Brainiac flies... and Clark doesn't. We know that he can and now it appears that he just doesn't want to do it. That's a HUGE disservice to the character.

Agreed. I thought it was previously Clark's decision to choose not to fly for whatever reason..

But in Veritas, he makes it seem like he hasnt even developed that power yet..

But LexZod and Kara did almost immediately.

But I think flight in itself is overrated. It's just another power; not some stepping stone towards his Kryptonian destiny...they should just let him do it.

 

[Superfreak]

Agreed. I thought it was previously Clark's decision to choose not to fly for whatever reason..

But in Veritas, he makes it seem like he hasnt even developed that power yet..

But LexZod and Kara did almost immediately.

But I think flight in itself is overrated. It's just another power; not some stepping stone towards his Kryptonian destiny...they should just let him do it.

yet you all forget the reason he doesn't try to fly. It's not that he chooses not to(although at this point in his life, he should be adult enough to control and face his fears, and get over his problem with heights).

 

[The War Machine]

Doesn't make sense. He jumped off that building in Action. He jumped onto a missile heading into space in Hidden. etc

There's no way that 'I'm afraid of heights' thing holds water anymore.

Veritas makes it seem like he physically hasnt developed that power yet; or at least that's what he believes and conveys to the audience.

It's quite strange but I guess Al/Miles are sticking with their no flights policy.

 

[triplet]

He's not afraid of heights, Clark is afraid to accept, REALLY accept, that he is indeed different.

Flight is the most extreme of his powers and the one that puts him the most apart from humanity. Of course he's scared of embracing that because he wants to be human.

I think they'll wait, like with Kara's memories, until Clark has a more urgent dramatic need to fly...

They've definitely set the stage. He'll fly this season, he'll have to now probably in order to save Kara (and maybe Lana) from Brainiac.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

So how would everyone have felt if Clark had actually flown in the context of this episode. Meaning, he flew because of Kara's lessons, or because he had to chase after Braniac...

Honestly, I'm glad he didnt that way, I am SO excited to see it is actually coming VERY soon but also glad it wasn't for the reasons mentioned above. I would like to see it involving a little more emotional attachment, such as a desire to physically saves an important characters life.

How do you all feel about it?

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

After seeing the show I don't think they used a Boom Tube and I don't think we'll see Darkseid. I however was very pissed on how they built up so much hype talking about how Kara will teach Clark how to fly only for him to say we don't have time for this. Over all I think the show was okay but not good because of the quick editing the show IMO seemed all over the place. I am really just looking forward now to the fall of Lex. IMO he really makes this show more then Clark or Kara. Its going to be real interesting to see what this show will be like next season without him.

 

[The War Machine]

Honestly, I'm glad he didnt that way, I am SO excited to see it is actually coming VERY soon but also glad it wasn't for the reasons mentioned above.

What makes you think it's coming soon?

 

[KALEL114]

Brainiac made it seem like they were going to change what happened to Krypton when he talked to Kara. Does he mean time travel or alternate universes,maybe? If so, will we have a "Crisis" situation on our hands or maybe a "retcon" for next season? Maybe I'm over thinking it.

 

[Gold Samurai]

or maybe a "retcon" for next season? Maybe I'm over thinking it.

Clark needs to pound on a phantom zone wall to retcon certain events

 

[Whiteflag]

So how would everyone have felt if Clark had actually flown in the context of this episode. Meaning, he flew because of Kara's lessons, or because he had to chase after Braniac...

Honestly, I'm glad he didnt that way, I am SO excited to see it is actually coming VERY soon but also glad it wasn't for the reasons mentioned above.

I'm glad, and relieved, he didn't fly because of Kara's lessons. That would have been the absolute worst way to go about it, IMO. Clark doesn't need anyone to teach him to fly, he flew when he was Kal-El and he has practically flown in other instances, even back in season 1. It should be his decision to make when he feels he's ready or when determined circumstances give him the final push he may need.

But I believe that time has come. There's no point in delaying it now. Clark has already realized he's different and has slowly but surely started to come to terms with his unavoidable destiny. He's began to accept it all and now he has to start to work on the how and the where. The life he knew and loved is over and the calling from the outside world is getting stronger. Clark needs to make some important decisions (and so does SV. lol)

So, in reality and figuratively, he needs to fly.

 

[triplet]

So how would everyone have felt if Clark had actually flown in the context of this episode. Meaning, he flew because of Kara's lessons, or because he had to chase after Braniac...

Honestly, I'm glad he didnt that way, I am SO excited to see it is actually coming VERY soon but also glad it wasn't for the reasons mentioned above. I would like to see it involving a little more emotional attachment, such as a desire to physically saves an important characters life.

How do you all feel about it?

I agree.

I think the dramatic need has to be stronger...

There has to be some sort of immediate physical peril for someone Clark loves, he needs to fly or the person dies sort of thing.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

May I ask what is the reason he does not fly now because if Kara can be shown to then there is no way it can be for budgetary reasons.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

He doesn't fly because when he does the show is over.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I agree.

I think the dramatic need has to be stronger...

There has to be some sort of immediate physical peril for someone Clark loves, he needs to fly or the person dies sort of thing.

Both Lana and Kara were in peril in last night's episode. What greater motivation does he need?!?!?! He's gotta stop being a ***** and start accepting his destiny already, but instead he's content enough to stay on the farm, instead of giving the world the hero it needs. The writers are just dragging things out and it doesn't work anymore. In every other show of it's kinds the hero would be the hero by this point in it's run. Gough/Millar does need to take that scary final step and let Clark start really embracing his destiny, instead of constantly fighting it. They're letting Lex embrace his dark side, when can't Clark embrace his heroic side?

 

[Hush]

Good but it could have been better.

 

[triplet]

Both Lana and Kara were in peril in last night's episode. What greater motivation does he need?!?!?! He's gotta stop being a ***** and start accepting his destiny already, but instead he's content enough to stay on the farm, instead of giving the world the hero it needs. The writers are just dragging things out and it doesn't work anymore. In every other show of it's kinds the hero would be the hero by this point in it's run. Gough/Millar does need to take that scary final step and let Clark start really embracing his destiny, instead of constantly fighting it. They're letting Lex embrace his dark side, when can't Clark embrace his heroic side?

But this was a two part episode... They need to save Clark's dramatic need for later.

This was supposed to be season finale until the strike ended in time for them to shoot more episodes. They've done this kind of thing for every season finale since the end of Season 1.

I'm pretty sure that Clark will fly before the end of this season, his dramatic need will escalate and he'll be forced to...

It makes for a better story.

I mean, it's like Kara's memory and power loss and no one telling her what was really going on. They didn't tell her until she absolutely needed to know and Chloe had to drag her to the fortress.

It's a common story telling device...

They do it all the time in other shows too and there are no other Hero-in-training shows so I'm not sure what other shows you could possibly be comparing this to.

The closest thing I can think of to this in another show might be the end of Heroes last season. Peter Petrelli angsted over getting control of the fire/energy ability before he turned into a bomb for several episodes before he finally did it, but even then he wasn't completely sucessful.

He had apparently died in what was probably one of the stupidest storylines from this season and lost his memory, so they dragged that on for several episodes.

I know nothing about any of the upcoming episodes, but I have a feeling when Brainiac comes back and Clark NEEDS to fly or someone will definitely die (not maybe die, or maybe be hurt or maybe never be the same again), maybe the next episode or the one after that, and that's when it will happen.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

This has been going on for 6 1/2 seasons though and every year it's the same thing Clark drags his feet, defies Jor-El till something bad happens. The shows I'm talking about are Supernatural, Reaper and Buffy, all three shows show the characters evolving accepting their destinies, doing what needs to be done. Clark has stayed stagnant since the end of season 4, what steps has he taken towards his destiny since then. Capturing the phantoms, defeating Zod? Both those happened after he already let them escape in the first place because he didn't listen to Jor-El and the same is happening again.