8-year-old Brooklyn boy is killed 7/12/2011

[SuperFerret]

Penn and Teller did an episode about this, detailing the statistics of a child being kidnapped while alone. They're astronomically small.

Again, has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Again, has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

Then you ineffectually communicated your point, because I was under the impression that you were vouching for children traveling by themselves.

 

[SuperFerret]

I am saying that an 8 year old is capable of going somewhere close by, like a school, a store, the bus stop, etc. by themselves. There's going to be danger everywhere regardless, this story proves that, and a responsible parent should teach their child how to avoid those things, but that's not the point. The point is the child is capable of doing these things, as in has the capability to do so. Kids are smarter and more responsible than people give them credit for.

I also don't see how I ineffectually communicated. It's there in black and white, plain as day. I'm not the one adding clauses here and there.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I am saying that an 8 year old is capable of going somewhere close by, like a school, a store, the bus stop, etc. by themselves. There's going to be danger everywhere regardless, this story proves that, and a responsible parent should teach their child how to avoid those things, but that's not the point. The point is the child is capable of doing these things, as in has the capability to do so. Kids are smarter and more responsible than people give them credit for.

Keep your kids safe, but let them journey around some on their own. Let's them practice some independence.

I don't see where we're supposed to be disagreeing here, so screw it.

 

[SuperFerret]

That's a lot like the point I'm making.

 

[Spider-Who?]

They're Hasidic, not Orthodox. There's a difference.

Hasidism is a branch of Orthodox Judaism.

 

[SuperFerret]

Seriously, ask a Catholic if they're Christian. They'll say "No, there's a difference." even though Catholicism is a specialized branch of Christianity.

 

[Enriquespy]

I would say "yes, I am a Christian Catholic"...

 

[Schlosser85]

I don't understand what the OP is ranting about. He has no reason to assume this guy is getting away with it.

 

[zanos]

I only wish somehow they'd move the trial down to Texas to convict this dirtbag & sentence him to fry. Also, how many parents would allow their 8 year old child to walk home by themselves??? Yes, maybe allow him/her to do so when they're older, but seriously???!!

That's 7 blocks within the hasidic community though. Still, it's a bad idea, because the boy could still get lost, which is precisely what happened.

 

[Schlosser85]

Parents who send their eight year old to buy cigarettes for them are textbook examples of why some people shouldn't have children.

Eight years old is too young for a responsible parent to allow their child out by themselves.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Seriously, ask a Catholic if they're Christian. They'll say "No, there's a difference." even though Catholicism is a specialized branch of Christianity.

Then you are talking to Catholics who don't know what they're talking about. "Christianity" is the umbrella in which other denominations reside - Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, etc. They are all Christian. There is no "standard" Christian denomination that a Catholic would feel the need to say there is a difference in comparison to. Sure, people might want to specify what denomination they are, but that's different than a Catholic saying they "aren't" a Christian.

Like above, "Orthodox Judaism" is an umbrella label for smaller denominations; in this case, Hasidism. Hasidism is a form of Orthodox Judaism. There are differences, of course (otherwise it wouldn't be an off-shoot of it); but those differences do not invalidate its Orthodox origin, so to say that they are not Orthodox is inaccurate, since they still fall under that banner. 'Sa'll I'm saying.

But all this is neither here nor there; its not the point of this thread.

The OP said something about the neighborhood banning together in support of this killer, but I haven't seen anything about this (in fact, the quotes he posted suggest the absolute opposite). Where's he getting this from?

 

[Schlosser85]

The OP said a lot of things that he doesn't seem to have any basis for, including his rage at the guy supposedly getting off free, which has not happened, nor is likely to happen.

 

[Shemtov]

Then you are talking to Catholics who don't know what they're talking about. "Christianity" is the umbrella in which other denominations reside - Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, etc. They are all Christian. There is no "standard" Christian denomination that a Catholic would feel the need to say there is a difference in comparison to. Sure, people might want to specify what denomination they are, but that's different than a Catholic saying they "aren't" a Christian.

Like above, "Orthodox Judaism" is an umbrella label for smaller denominations; in this case, Hasidism. Hasidism is a form of Orthodox Judaism. There are differences, of course (otherwise it wouldn't be an off-shoot of it); but those differences do not invalidate its Orthodox origin, so to say that they are not Orthodox is inaccurate, since they still fall under that banner. 'Sa'll I'm saying.

But all this is neither here nor there; its not the point of this thread.

That comparison is not accurate either. Baptists would never go to a Catholic Church or Vice Versa. However, as a Non-Chassidic Orthodox Jew I would have no problem going to a Chassidic Synagogue. And Chassidim would go to a non-chassidic synagogue (though some would only do so if they have no other option.) In fact, my childhood synagogue had at least 3 Chassidim who regularly attended, My religous High School(which was very what we call 'litvak'- non-chassidic Traditional Orthodox Jews of European descent) had 3 chassidic students....though were Chabad Chassidim who are sort of on the border of being Chassidic.

The OP said something about the neighborhood banning together in support of this killer, but I haven't seen anything about this (in fact, the quotes he posted suggest the absolute opposite). Where's he getting this from?

The OP said a lot of things that he doesn't seem to have any basis for, including his rage at the guy supposedly getting off free, which has not happened, nor is likely to happen.

He's basing it off that fact that this is following on the heels of the Anthony.
The important difference- Aron said he did it.
I guess he could get off on grounds of insanity, but then he'lln't be free, as he'll be sent to a mental home for the criminally insane.

 

[Schlosser85]

Also, every Catholic I know considers themselves a Christian.

 

[SuperFerret]

Eight years old is too young for a responsible parent to allow their child out by themselves.

Why?

 

[Anubis]

I too was out playing unsupervised by 8. Hell by 7. Couldn't leave the block but, I had no reason to do so anyway. I grew up relatively undamaged.

 

[GhostPoet]

OP needs to calm down a bit. This nutbag will not get off. And I didn't see too many supporters... what, his wife with the row of yellow teeth? No one in the Orthodox community is jumping to his defense (at least from what I've seen).

OP is right about one thing. This guy who killed the 8 year old is a monster. And his confession (about driving the kid to a wedding, tucking him in for the night and killing him in a panic when he saw a 'missing' flyer the next morning is obviously BS... the truth is probably much worse). If it's possible, I hate him more than Casey Anthony. He should get capital punishment, but I think they stopped that in New York.

wouldn't be the first time a child killer got off without a prison sentence.

 

[SuperFerret]

They haven't even gone to trial yet.

 

[Poeman]

Spoiler

 

[Spider-Who?]

That comparison is not accurate either. Baptists would never go to a Catholic Church or Vice Versa. However, as a Non-Chassidic Orthodox Jew I would have no problem going to a Chassidic Synagogue. And Chassidim would go to a non-chassidic synagogue (though some would only do so if they have no other option.) In fact, my childhood synagogue had at least 3 Chassidim who regularly attended, My religous High School(which was very what we call 'litvak'- non-chassidic Traditional Orthodox Jews of European descent) had 3 chassidic students....though were Chabad Chassidim who are sort of on the border of being Chassidic.

You either took my post incorrectly or I didn't express my point clearly (I realize my post was a kind of amalgamation of responses). The point of my post was simply to correct the statement that "Hasidism is not Orthodox Judaism" (though I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge of the religion isn't the best, so your input is fully appreciated). I used the Christian example to mostly correct the idea that Catholicism is "not Christianity", but then used that logic to explain why his original notion was incorrect. I guess if you were looking for a more side-by-side comparison, we could go with the Presbyterian denomination being an offshoot of the Protestant sect.

 

[Ultra Lantern]

An 8yr from N.Y. got lost on his way home & asked this guy for assistance. The man took him home & the following day decided to kill the boy & cut him up.

This guy is very unbalanced.He should be put on death row and not get a last request.

 

[Wolfwood]

Spoiler

I think there's a difference here though. The little boys death is a fresh case, where as the Casey Anthony ordeal had a long time to boil to a fever pitch. Also, when a mother is accused of killing her own child, that causes a certain knee-jerk reaction. When a stranger kills a kid, it's saddening, but it doesn't have the same immediate emotional impact.

 

[Paroxysm]

HLN will be all over this.

 

[LOBO3315a]

There are very few correlations to the Caylee/Casey Anthony case and this one.

And if you think 8 yrs old is too young to be playing outside, I pity the children you shall bear.