8-year-old Brooklyn boy is killed 7/12/2011

[bullets]

There are very few correlations to the Caylee/Casey Anthony case and this one.

And if you think 8 yrs old is too young to be playing outside, I pity the children you shall bear.

Who is taking it to that extreme? I just think kids at that age need some type of supervision.

 

[SuperFerret]

I disagree.


Also, it's been brought to my attention that a lot of what I've been saying today can be taken as trolling. I want to apologize for that, and ensure that I mean no disrespect towards this boy or his family if anything I've said can be taken out of context.

 

[The Question]

I only wish somehow they'd move the trial down to Texas to convict this dirtbag & sentence him to fry. Also, how many parents would allow their 8 year old child to walk home by themselves??? Yes, maybe allow him/her to do so when they're older, but seriously???!!

Statistically speaking, a child walking home by themselves, especially in that neighborhood of New York, isn't very dangerous at all. Kids in New York do it all the time by nature of how living in the city works. This is an anomoly.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

kill a dog , u do jail time ,KILL A BLACK MAN , YOUR DAUGHTER , OR a CHILD and you walk free WTF is wrong with our justice system .

It's broken?

 

[TheDreamMaster]

With all due respect, not everyone raises their kids the same universal way.

I'm agreeing with Duke on this. I've got a daughter who is 4 who never leaves my sight if I can help it, while on the other end of this, a neighbor a few apartments down has a 4 year old they just let leave the house and run around with the bigger kids all the time, or leave the house when she wants to. I mean what kind of parenting is that? Not to mention that hanging around all the bigger kids she has become a mouthy little ***** who shouts all kind of obsenities and tries to take other kids things that don't belong to her. I'm not letting my kids out by themselves till they are at least 12 or 13. They can go with friends and stuff, like to other houses, but not just out for a walk around town alone

 

[SuperFerret]

Four is too young to be outside unsupervised, but I'm honestly wondering, how are your kids getting to their friend's house or stuff?

 

[The Question]

It's broken?

In what way?

I'm agreeing with Duke on this. I've got a daughter who is 4 who never leaves my sight if I can help it, while on the other end of this, a neighbor a few apartments down has a 4 year old they just let leave the house and run around with the bigger kids all the time, or leave the house when she wants to. I mean what kind of parenting is that? Not to mention that hanging around all the bigger kids she has become a mouthy little ***** who shouts all kind of obsenities and tries to take other kids things that don't belong to her. I'm not letting my kids out by themselves till they are at least 12 or 13. They can go with friends and stuff, like to other houses, but not just out for a walk around town alone

What's wrong with any of the things your neighbor does and why is your way better?

 

[TheDreamMaster]

In what way?



What's wrong with any of the things your neighbor does and why is your way better?

I don't try to impose too much on my daughter and le ther learn what she likes through what she wants to see and such. But when it comes to her safety, I try to keep her close. We liv ein apartments that are kind of like a motel-style, single apartments in a row that have outside front and back doors, not like an apartment building. The othe rmother lets her little girl run free around the outside without being present all the time, where as I make sure I have an eye on mine at all times. I'm not trying to say I'm the better parents, but I am saying that the mother seems quite irresponsible as anyone could possibly try to kidnap her child at any time or she could run out in the street and such because she is a 4 year old, and is not thinking.

 

[Shemtov]

Who is taking it to that extreme? I just think kids at that age need some type of supervision.

Look, Boro Park's very different. It's one of the safest place in this country, in terms of crime.
It's not like Lincoln Park, where yo havta hide yo kids, hide yo wife.

 

[The Question]

I don't try to impose too much on my daughter and le ther learn what she likes through what she wants to see and such. But when it comes to her safety, I try to keep her close. We liv ein apartments that are kind of like a motel-style, single apartments in a row that have outside front and back doors, not like an apartment building. The othe rmother lets her little girl run free around the outside without being present all the time, where as I make sure I have an eye on mine at all times. I'm not trying to say I'm the better parents, but I am saying that the mother seems quite irresponsible as anyone could possibly try to kidnap her child at any time or she could run out in the street and such because she is a 4 year old, and is not thinking.

Well, it sounds like you are saying you're the better parent, as you're saying you keep your child safe and she doesn't.

Also, anyone could possibly try to kidnap anyone's child at any time. Children being kidnapped by complete strangers is incredibly rare, stories like the one that started this thread are almost never heard, this was an anomoly. Most predators stick to easy targets (as in, children in their lives) due to the risks involved and the need for such things as privacy, and anyone who kindaps a child for ransom targets the specific child of a specific person.

The only serious danger, the way I see it, is running into the street.

Also, what's wrong with letting a four year old hang out with older kids? It's been shown that that actually helps to jump start their intellectual and emotional development. Plus, older kids are likely to protect a four year old from running out into the street.

Look, Boro Park's very different. It's one of the safest place in this country, in terms of crime.
It's not like Lincoln Park, where yo havta hide yo kids, hide yo wife.

And hide yo husband.

 

[Shemtov]

KILLER'S FULL CONFESSION

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/levi-arons-confession-in-leiby-kletzkys-killing/

Updated 2:03 p.m. | Levi Aron, the Brooklyn man charged with killing 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky, had cuts and scratches to his wrists and arms, which the police believe are indications of a struggle, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said Thursday.
In his confession, Mr. Aron said that when he went to smother the boy with a towel, “he fought back a little bit until eventually he stopped breathing.”
Mr. Kelly said there were also ligature marks on Leiby’s body, indicating Mr. Aron might have bound him with rope.
“He may have been tied down when he was trying to suffocate him,” a law enforcement official said.
The new details came as Mr. Aron was taken from the 67th Precinct station house in Brooklyn to the criminal courthouse, where he was to be arraigned on murder charges.Mr. Kelly, speaking at a news conference, said that much of what Mr. Aron told the police had been corroborated by detectives. In his confession, portions of which were first published by NBC New York, Mr. Aron said that after he picked up the boy on a Brooklyn street on Monday, he took him to a wedding in Monsey, N.Y.
Mr. Aron said he and the boy returned late Monday night, and the boy was still asleep when Mr. Aron had to leave for work the next morning. When he realized how many people were looking for Leiby, Mr. Aron said he was afraid to take him home, panicked, and suffocated him.
Mr. Kelly said Mr. Aron did attend the wedding, but there was no evidence that he took the boy along; no one has reported seeing Leiby there. And a ligature mark on the boy’s left wrist suggests that he might have left him tied up while he went to work; investigators caution, however, that the mark may have been left during the murder.
Investigators are looking into the possibility the boy stayed in Mr. Aron’s apartment during the day on Tuesday because Mr. Aron had a television – and the boy, at his home, did not have one, the official said.
“The boy – I don’t believe in the boy’s house that he had a television – but Aron has a television,” the official said. “It is a question of fascination with TV.”
Mr. Aron was taken from the 67th Precinct station house about 11:40 a.m. As the unmarked police car pulled out of the station house onto Snyder Avenue, a narrow one-lane street, Mr. Aron, who was in the back seat, ducked.
A chaotic scene followed. The street had not been cleared of traffic, so a large group of onlookers from the neighborhood surrounded the car and yelled at Mr. Aron.
“Murderer! Murderer!” one woman yelled.
The group followed the police car as it inched toward Rogers Avenue.
The Brooklyn district attorney, Charles J. Hynes, said that a grand jury had begun to hear evidence on the case, and that his investigators were looking into suggestions that Mr. Aron had issues with children before. He added, however, that his office had not received any prior complaints about Mr. Aron.
Here is NBC New York’s account of Mr. Aron’s statement. NBC edited it only “to remove parts of an extremely graphic nature,” the television station reported, adding that Mr. Aron’s words were “written on a legal pad during questioning, according to law enforcement sources.”

My name is Levi Aron… On Monday evening around 5:30 I went to my dentist, Dr. Sorcher, to make a payment for visit for exam routine.
A boy approached me on where the Judaica book store was. He was still there when went out from the dentist’s office. He asked me for a ride to the Judaica book store. While on the way he changed his mind and wasn’t sure where he wanted to go.
So I asked if he wanted to go for the ride — wedding in Monsey — since I didn’t think I was going to stay for the whole thing since my back was hurting. He said ok.
Due to traffic, I got back around 11:30 p.m. … so I brought him to my house thinking I’d bring him to his house the next day. He watched TV then fell asleep in the front room. I went to the middle room to sleep. That next morning, he was still sleeping when I was ready to leave.
So I woke him and told him I’ll bring him to his house… when I saw the flyers I panicked and was afraid. When I got home he was still there so I made him a tuna sandwich….
I was still in a panic … and afraid to bring him home. That is when approximately I went for a towel to smother him in the side room. He fought back a little bit until eventually he stopped breathing.
Afterwards I panicked because I didn’t know what to do with the body.… carried parts to the back room placing parts between the freezer and the refrigerator …
… went to clean up a little then took a second shower. I panicked and .. Then putting the parts in a suitcase. Then carrying suitcase to the car …placing in backseat on floor behind passenger side.
… drove around approximately around 20 minutes before placing it in the dumpster on 20th street just before 4th Avenue. Then went home to clean and organize.
I understand this may be wrong and I’m sorry for the hurt that I have caused.
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i have reliezed something....TV should be made illegal.....whoever owns a TV set should receive fifteen years in jail. Why....

“The boy – I don’t believe in the boy’s house that he had a television – but Aron has a television,” the official said. “It is a question of fascination with TV.”

See.....it's a murder weapon. If Weed's illegal why not tv....

 

[Sam Fisher]

I understand this may be wrong and I’m sorry for the hurt that I have caused.

May be wrong? What a sick bastard

 

[Ghostvirus]

Once again nothing new. Lets stop reacting to stuff like this like it hasn't happened before.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

In what way?

"A dog matters more than human lives?" Reminded me of that line Bruce told Rachel in the car before leaving Gotham: "Your system is broken"

 

[The Question]

"A dog matters more than human lives?" Reminded me of that line Bruce told Rachel in the car before leaving Gotham: "Your system is broken"

Since when does a dog matter more than human lives in the eyes of our justice system?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Since when does a dog matter more than human lives in the eyes of our justice system?

I read the first post and quoted
You going to question me more?

 

[SuperFerret]

You're quoting jaganar quoting a comedian in a case that has nothing to do with dogs.


I keep seeing the Missing posters around my neighborhood, it's really depressing to know that those looking for him came all the way over here (I'm pretty far from the Boro Park area, relatively speaking) to put up posters in the hope that somebody's seen him.

 

[Anubis]

Well, some people will go to the ends of the Earth looking for their missing loved ones.....others will go party and have sex with some strangers. (That's a Casey Anthony reference. I know nobodies heard of it. I'm cutting edge you see. )

 

[zanos]

Well, it sounds like you are saying you're the better parent, as you're saying you keep your child safe and she doesn't.

Also, anyone could possibly try to kidnap anyone's child at any time. Children being kidnapped by complete strangers is incredibly rare, stories like the one that started this thread are almost never heard, this was an anomoly. Most predators stick to easy targets (as in, children in their lives) due to the risks involved and the need for such things as privacy, and anyone who kindaps a child for ransom targets the specific child of a specific person.

The only serious danger, the way I see it, is running into the street.

Also, what's wrong with letting a four year old hang out with older kids? It's been shown that that actually helps to jump start their intellectual and emotional development. Plus, older kids are likely to protect a four year old from running out into the street.



And hide yo husband.

Let it go, you're fighting a losing argument just to be contrary, and it's pointless.

 

[SuperFerret]

How's he fighting a losing argument? And I don't think it's to be contrary either, since he brings up a lot of good points, and dances around another (i.e. you can't completely lock up your kids, and shouldn't deprive them of their freedom).

 

[Dr.]

You're quoting jaganar quoting a comedian in a case that has nothing to do with dogs.

Moreover... a suspect has been apprehended and (apparently) confessed. If and when he's released scot-free would be the time to discuss the "system being broken."

 

[ObakeTora]

Added to the fact his fellow inmates may be using him as chopped salad at one point in his new prison career. Yea I feel your anger OP, you have to be more vigilant, stay informed and protect those you care about. As for allowing your child to walk home alone? You guys have to be kidding me. You should be paranoid to the point of the men in the white suits taking you away regarding your kids safety. You don't know who is about what, and this unassuming man who murdered this poor boy should be reason enough to take precautionary measures with your child. The world is too unsafe, everytime you see that boy or girl off to school for the day there is a small chance you may never see that child again for whatever reason. The old neighborhood I lived while I was studying at community college was inundated with questionables. There were at least 2 convicted sex offenders living near schools, meth labs all over the place, little Maria the 12 year old gangbaner would bully your child or try to recruit him/her in a gang. I don't understand how parents today can be so lackadaisical when it comes to the issue of their kid's safety. Especially the lonely single moms who don't care who comes in contact around their child, because they "need a man." smdh. If i ever have a kid, that child is getting homeschooled.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Who is taking it to that extreme? I just think kids at that age need some type of supervision.

Added to the fact his fellow inmates may be using him as chopped salad at one point in his new prison career. Yea I feel your anger OP, you have to be more vigilant, stay informed and protect those you care about. As for allowing your child to walk home alone? You guys have to be kidding me. You should be paranoid to the point of the men in the white suits taking you away regarding your kids safety. You don't know who is about what, and this unassuming man who murdered this poor boy should be reason enough to take precautionary measures with your child. The world is too unsafe, everytime you see that boy or girl off to school for the day there is a small chance you may never see that child again for whatever reason. The old neighborhood I lived while I was studying at community college was inundated with questionables. There were at least 2 convicted sex offenders living near schools, meth labs all over the place, little Maria the 12 year old gangbaner would bully your child or try to recruit him/her in a gang. I don't understand how parents today can be so lackadaisical when it comes to the issue of their kid's safety. Especially the lonely single moms who don't care who comes in contact around their child, because they "need a man." smdh. If i ever have a kid, that child is getting homeschooled.

Sorry, I must be psychic, and responded too soon....

 

[Anubis]

That's a buncha reactionary boos**t. This world is as dangerous as it's always been. If it was as dangerous as you say, nobody would even have made it to adulthood. This is one of those rare occasions. Made an even more rare an occasion by the fact that this happened in one of those Hesedic neighborhoods.

Jeez. Cut the cord already.

 

[SuperFerret]

The world has always been unsafe, and that goes double for the young, but it's the role of the parents to make sure that the children are prepared to do things while unsupervised.

This is a definite example that there is danger everywhere, but it's also a definite example of why a child should know not to talk to strangers. Honestly, given some of the things I've heard about Leiby having some cognitive issues due to a past injury (I'm not sure if they're true or not), I can agree that there should have been more care taken in his case, be it preparation or supervision, but this is one extraordinary situation, and it doesn't apply to everyone everywhere.