9/11- An insurance scam?

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America has that too.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

America has that too.

yeah.....no.

edit: and "America" is a continent. call yourself the US or whatever.

 

[Alonsovich]

yeah dood totally! that's why the netherlands (legalized drug use and prostitution) was attacked, cuase of their freedoms.


wait....no?

Theo Van Gogh.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Theo Van Gogh.

LOL, theo Van Gogh was murdered, would you compare that to a "terrorist attack" I mean, because you seem to equate the murder of theo Van Gogh to the Twin Tower attacks.

I mean, I hope you're not, but maybe you are......and not only that, but....who killed theo van gogh? Bin Laden? a plane?????

who???

 

[Alonsovich]

LOL, theo Van Gogh was murdered, would you compare that to a "terrorist attack" I mean, because you seem to equate the murder of theo Van Gogh to the Twin Tower attacks.

I mean, I hope you're not, but maybe you are......and not only that, but....who killed theo van gogh? Bin Laden? a plane?????

who???

Mohammed Bouyeri assasinated van Gogh in the early morning of Tuesday November 2, 2004, in Amsterdam in front of the Amsterdam East borough office (stadsdeelkantoor) on the corner of the Linnaeusstraat and Tweede Oosterparkstraat streets. He shot him with eight bullets from a HS2000 (a handgun produced in 2000 in Croatia), and Van Gogh died on the spot. Bouyeri slit van Gogh's throat and then stabbed him in the chest. Two knives were left implanted in his torso, one pinning a five-page note to his body. The note (Text) threatened Western governments, Jews and Hirsi Ali (who went into hiding). The note also contains references to the ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.

Takfir wal-Hijra (Excommunication and Exodus) is a violent Islamic Salafi extremist group who branched out from Sayyid Qutb's Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the 1960s. Today Takfir wal-Hajra has members or supporters in several other countries, allied to Al-Qaeda. In Spain the group is also known as Martyrs for Morocco.

Takfirs are radical islamists who are not bound by the usual Islamic religious constraints. They adopt non-Islamic appearances such as shaving their beard and wearing a tie in order to blend into crowds and make themselves hard to detect even to other Muslims. They can drink alcohol and even eat pork to deceive their enemies. They believe that any means justify the end and, that killing other Muslims can be justified in their cause and that Western society is heathen and it is their duty to destroy it.[1]

Sounds like terrorism to me...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Sounds like terrorism to me...

so, the question again.

the murder of Theo Van Gogh = an attack on a nation?
(oh and I know the story, spare me the celldog like articles and just answer the question)

 

[Alonsovich]

so, the question again.

the murder of Theo Van Gogh = an attack on a nation?
(oh and I know the story, spare me the celldog like articles and just answer the question)

Yes. The ETA terrorists have been doing this since 30 years ago in Spain as a way of taking out people that question their ideology in public and they're taken as an attack to the spanish system of freedom of speech and the country itself. This is the same case. Radical muslim linked to the suspects of the Madrid bombings shoots dead one of the most vocal critics in public of Islamic radicalism. It's called inducing fear in society, and it's a tactic that has been used many times by terrorist groups of very different ideologies.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Yes. The ETA terrorists have been doing this since 30 years ago in Spain as a way of taking out people that question their ideology in public and they're taken as an attack to the spanish system of freedom of speech. This is the same case. Radical muslim linked to the suspects of the Madrid bombings shoots dead one of the most vocal critics in public of Islamic radicalism. It's called inducing fear, and it's a tactic that has been used many times by terrorist groups.

so, again, In your head:

the murder of a filmaker that critized islamic fundamentalism (or whatever) by an amsterdam born loon who happened to be part an extremist group native to region.

is equal to

the murder of 3,000 people by highly trained and focused foreign born agents of a terrorist organization specifically decrying the US involvement in the region.

gotcha sport, nice leap in logic, guess the netherlands should join the ever expanding war on terror.

 

[vindrow]

Damn...is that what 9/11 was about, and here I thought Bin Ladin crashed those planes the way he did because he thought Bobby Brown was in one of those buildings, hence he would then have Whitney Houston all to himself.

 

[maxwell's demon]

gotcha sport, nice leap in logic

you just made me think of leaping miser. remember him?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

you just made me think of leaping miser. remember him?

argh!!!!!!!

 

[Alonsovich]

so, again, In your head:

the murder of a filmaker that critized islamic fundamentalism (or whatever) by an amsterdam born loon who happened to be part an extremist group native to region.

is equal to

the murder of 3,000 people by a highly trained and focused foreign born agents of a terrorist organization specifically decrying the US involvement in the region.

Yes. Both are radical islamism's reaction to a provocation. The only difference is the scope of the provocation and the reaction. In it's core... the idea of both is 100% the same.

gotcha sport, nice leap in logic, guess the netherlands should join the ever expanding war on terror.

Actually... that's YOUR leap in logic. I never said a word about the war on terror. In fact... I don't give a flying s**t about it since I'm not American. I just told you between the lines to not use the example of the Netherlands, but you didn't get it. You should've used Luxembourg or something like that...

 

[maxwell's demon]

argh!!!!!!!

you do!

Spoiler

 

[Sofa]

so, again, In your head:

the murder of a filmaker that critized islamic fundamentalism (or whatever) by an amsterdam born loon who happened to be part an extremist group native to region.

is equal to

the murder of 3,000 people by highly trained and focused foreign born agents of a terrorist organization specifically decrying the US involvement in the region.

gotcha sport, nice leap in logic, guess the netherlands should join the ever expanding war on terror.

The murder of one or the murder of 3000 is of the same greatness. Murder is murder. And if the idea behind that murder is indeed the same, than both are equally as important. Infact, the murder of one has much more power than the killing of thousands.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Yes. Both are radical islamism's reaction to a provocation. The only difference is the scope of the provocation and the reaction. In it's core... the idea of both is 100% the same.

Actually... that's YOUR leap in logic. I never said a word about the war on terror. In fact... I don't give a flying s**t about it since I'm not American. I just told you between the lines to not use the example of the Netherlands, but you didn't get it.

1. no, you just wrote the most idiotic thing ever on these boards, ever, congrats.

2. no, I got it, you where just wrong, I was merely showing you how wrong you where, it seems it's you who "didn't get it" again, congrats.

 

[maxwell's demon]

Yes. Both are radical islamism's reaction to a provocation. The only difference is the scope of the provocation and the reaction. In it's core... the idea of both is 100% the same. ...

are you REALLY in Monica Bellucci's bed?

 

[Alonsovich]

1. no, you just wrote the most idiotic thing ever on these boards, ever, congrats.

2. no, I got it, you where just wrong, I was merely showing you how wrong you where, it seems it's you who "didn't get it" again, congrats.

Wow... I guess then the british and the spaniard police forces must be totally wrong to label the selective killings as terrorist acts... I think it's you who doesn't get it.

 

[Alonsovich]

are you REALLY in Monica Bellucci's bed?

Of course. My name is Vincent Cassel...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

The murder of one or the murder of 3000 is of the same greatness. Murder is murder. And if the idea behind that murder is indeed the same, than both are equally as important. Infact, the murder of one has much more power than the killing of thousands.

yes, in a very touchy feely lifetime channel way.
however, the idea behind the murders WAS NOT THE SAME, and no, by no flight of fancy did the citizens of the netherlands shrunk back in abject horror as they learned of the murder of Theo Van Gogh.

c'mon now, you're joking right?

 

[Sofa]

yes, in a very touchy feely lifetime channel way.
however, the idea behind the murders WAS NOT THE SAME, and no, by no flight of fancy did the citizens of the netherlands shrunk back in abject horror as they learned of the murder of Theo Van Gogh.

c'mon now, you're joking right?

I am not adressing who was involved, im talking about the philosphy you can chose to adopt regarding the killing of one or a group.

And, in any case, i dont think anyone here can actually decide how important one type or reason for killing is over another.

 

[Alonsovich]

yes, in a very touchy feely lifetime channel way.
however, the idea behind the murders WAS NOT THE SAME, and no, by no flight of fancy did the citizens of the netherlands shrunk back in abject horror as they learned of the murder of Theo Van Gogh.

c'mon now, you're joking right?

Name me the quantity of filmmakers that have criticised Islamic radicalism after Van Gogh's murder. They're in terror as much as the international community was after 9/11. Hence the name terrorism.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Wow... I guess then the british and the spaniard police forces must be totally wrong to label the selective killings as terrorist acts... I think it's you who doesn't get it.

totally, just keep going in that direction and compare both acts as if they had the same motivation, results or where comparable aside from the fact that they share the "extremist muslim" words somewhere around their articles.
(when the article you posted proves that they don't) just keep going alonsovich. eventually and with some work you'll understand how astoundingly idiotic you're sounding right now

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I am not adressing who was involved, im talking about the philosphy you can chose to adopt regarding the killing of one or a group.

And, in any case, i dont think anyone here can actually decide how important one type or reason for killing is over another.

that really wasn't what we where talking about but ok. sure.

 

[Sofa]

that really wasn't what we where talking about but ok. sure.

Comparing everything around you will lead you nowhere. You wont convince him of your point of view.

 

[Alonsovich]

totally, just keep going in that direction and compare both acts as if they had the same motivation, results or where comparable aside from the fact that they share the "extremist muslim" words somewhere around their articles.
(when the article you posted proves that they don't) just keep going alonsovich. eventually and with some work you'll understand how astoundingly idiotic you're sounding right now

Give me a list of the different kinds of muslim extremism that exist, so we can see how intelligent you are to not consider them the same... point us out the major differences they all have...