9.14 - Persuasion - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Gmanofsteel]

that's awesome

now go sport it at TVWOP & Ksite

 

[Webhead2006]

I am glad ratings was good again still against winter games. Plus its been good all season long. Whe have been maintaining between 2.4-2.8million viewers all season. So that is great to hear we are staying the same. Compared to past yrs ratings usually diped in second half.

 

[flash13]

This episode really exceeded my expectations! After Absolute Justice and Zattana I thought this would be filler, but it was one of the best of the season!

 

[Hush]

That ending was just amazing! Its rare that we get TWO really good SFX shots an episode.

 

[Doc Ock]

I need to learn how to make gifs!!!!! So I can have an awesome Smallville avatar!

 

[Webhead2006]

oh totally the towers going down and the heat vision to tess scenes were wicked.

 

[COMPO]

That was sweet! Clark destroyed the solar towers!

i know, 2bh i was thinking the whole way through the ep why clark hasn't done it or even tried to stop the building. but i do think Clark will get followers from Kandor, it was kind of set up in the passport scene.

Freaking awesome episode, it was hilarious at times when Lois was at the farm, but man did things heat up, awesome ending!!!

i loved the lois and clark scene they always remind me of the cheese of Lois and Clark.

This was a surprisingly solid episode all around. I wish Tess would make room for me in there.

Also, I love the way Clark man handles her, haha. That was a really sweet ending with the towers, too. All in all, another solid episode is a great season thus far. Except for Lois dance...that was pure cheese.

awww i knows, you know seeing as Tess hero worships Clark how come he never gets to see her in the tub lmao

awesome scenes, love Zod looking up 2 quote L&C "all you need to do is look up!"

Badass Clark makes another appearance. **** yeah! t:

The ending was sweet. I love Clark this season. He's really growing a pair and doing whatever the hell he feels when it comes to Zod and his scheme. And for the first time in a while, we get a move from Clark that is both logical and wait for it...actually smart. Finally.

that's what i thought at the end of the episode, it seemed like through this episode Clark was strugglin to do what was needed and then at the end he realised what he was when he realised he couldn't trust Zod.

Ummm...can Anne Cofell Saunders write more episodes!

First Idol, now this surprisingly badass episode!! It's knida like how "Crimson" was light-hearted at the beginning but than got very dark and dramatic toward the end and it worked beautifully here as well!

The Good:
Clark-Man, this is the most badass we've seen Clark since "Savior". Dude was so proactive throughout, even Tom himself seemed more engaging in the role this week. His scenes with Lois were priceless and sweet. His scenes with Zod were intense and well written. There was also of complexity with Clark's actions. I like how Clark admitted to wanting to cross the line sometimes but always going back to his principles of no killing. Very Superman once again!

Zod-Callum was awesome once again! I loved his scene with Tess in the bathtub, lots of sexual tension. His scenes with Clark are just excellent and the way he seems to be trying to make Clark embrace the Kryptonian laws as well as the lifestyle. Not to mention, that shot of Zod looking at the towers being destoryed...powerful stuff Callum!

Tess-She was very enjoyable in this episode as well as that cat fight with Chloe surprisingly! Also, that scene when Clark is about to kill her, Cassidy gave a great performance, Tess looked scared out of her mind!

Jor-El's killer revealed-I had no idea it was Alia, it was a pretty good twist. Kinda sucked to see her get killed jsut cause Alia was a musterious character that should have been explored more. Oh WELL!

-Chloe didn't annoy me too much! I am shocked!

Clark's ring of fire-AWESOMENESS!

Clark destorying the Towers-EPIC. AMAZING. BRILLIANT. About time Clark!

The Bad:

-The Lois housewife sub-plot-Yeah, it had it's funny moments and Erica was LOL. But the Clark/Zod/Kandorians plot really overshadowed it and it seemed like just a gimmick in the end.

-How the hell did Chloe know how to cure herself, Clark, know exactly where Clark took Tess and get there in just a minute!

All and All, well written, well acted by the cast and pushed the main story arc forward in the right direction. I thought this would be a fluff filler and it completely caught me off guard! After "Pandora", I was disappointed by this Zod/Kandorians arc taking a lackluster turn, but "Persuasion" has me very intrigued in it again! Top 5 from this season for me!

to be honest with chloe subplot i kinda rolled my eyes with the whole protecting thing thinking aww god are they gonna go back to this again but it seemed to work better than i thought.

 

[Prison Mike]

I was seriously surprised at how awesome the episode was. I wasn't expecting the episode to move the storyline forward so much. Tom really stepped up in the acting department IMO. The final scenes of the Kryptonian cremation, Clark confronting Zod and him destroying the towers were really cool. I'm so glad that the future has changed and that we will be surprised with how it turns out.

 

[AgentPat]

Honestly, I have no idea what the writers were thinking. The FX team outdid themselves, but *somebody* should have put the breaks on a scene that suggests massive loss of life and imagery nearly identical to an actual terrorist attack that is still very, very real for many viewers.

 

[Webhead2006]

sure it was simular to 911 and all that which was such a terrible day. But it was stated throughout the episode that the towers were empty and from the way it was falling it was more like an implosion and not explosion. Plus as we saw with zod and the reporters they were all safe and it just fell into the construction zone.

 

[AgentPat]

The Twin Towers in NY also imploded, and more people died than just those who were *inside* the buildings. Chocking dust and debre spread out for over a mile from ground zero, and toxic clouds covered lower Manhattan for weeks.

Is this what a hero does? Think people, think!

I stand by my opinion and point. Such a scene is reserved for the VILLAIN. It amazes me that nowhere in the long chain of approval that SV episodes pass, nobody, NOBODY - from the writer's room to broadcast - apparently saw that symbolism.

Other than that, I enjoyed the episode. Lois and Hamilton were a hoot. I'm still cracking up over Emil palm-topping his beer cap over the edge of the counter.

 

[Doc Ock]

The towers thing didn't bother me, I'm sure Clark checked and made sure no one was in danger. I don't see the resemblance to 911.

 

[Prison Mike]

I honestly didn't remember the Twin Towers when I saw the last scene in the episode but now that it was brought up, I can see the similarities and see why people would be bothered by it. I just think the FX people didn't think much of it when they did that scene.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I can't begin to express how awesome this episode is . It had everything a fanboy like me would want to see .

 

[Mikelus]

The Twin Towers in NY also imploded, and more people died than just those who were *inside* the buildings. Chocking dust and debre spread out for over a mile from ground zero, and toxic clouds covered lower Manhattan for weeks.

Is this what a hero does? Think people, think!

I stand by my opinion and point. Such a scene is reserved for the VILLAIN. It amazes me that nowhere in the long chain of approval that SV episodes pass, nobody, NOBODY - from the writer's room to broadcast - apparently saw that symbolism.

Other than that, I enjoyed the episode. Lois and Hamilton were a hoot. I'm still cracking up over Emil palm-topping his beer cap over the edge of the counter.

The hero did what he had to do in a freaking fantasy show, of course there's going to be some collateral damage (material in this case)... by the way, Clark Kent is not a terrorist. It seems some need an extra scene of him making sure nobody was around when the towers started to fall (last shot of the episode), because Clark Kent would let people die!

Think people think!

 

[Superfreak]

The Twin Towers in NY also imploded, and more people died than just those who were *inside* the buildings. Chocking dust and debre spread out for over a mile from ground zero, and toxic clouds covered lower Manhattan for weeks.

Is this what a hero does? Think people, think!

I stand by my opinion and point. Such a scene is reserved for the VILLAIN. It amazes me that nowhere in the long chain of approval that SV episodes pass, nobody, NOBODY - from the writer's room to broadcast - apparently saw that symbolism.

Other than that, I enjoyed the episode. Lois and Hamilton were a hoot. I'm still cracking up over Emil palm-topping his beer cap over the edge of the counter.

1) falling/collapsing buildings have been a staple of superman action for a long time

2) it's been almost 10 years since 911, at some point people have to realize it is in the past. How long do we have to wait before we don't have to worry about causing post traumatic stress disorder in a New Yorker. I think 8+ years is enough personally. I'm not trying to diminish the significance of the event, but rather point out that at some point, we need to move beyond. Do we worry about Iraqis who went through Shock adn Awe whenever there are bombing explosions in a movie or on TV, and that was a far more traumatic even I think, as well as destructive and more recent?

3)he's saving the planet from an army of superbeings, that destroy the city as far as we know. Destroying one block of metropolis, to topple the building, is a much better move than allowing them to destroy the entire city. As Spock would say, the good of the many...

 

[flash13]

As much as I like Oliver I was glad he wasn't in this episode.

 

[SrsBsns]

Yeah, same here.

This episode just goes to show that Clark centered episodes are always the best.

 

[rowan sjet]

3)he's saving the planet from an army of superbeings, that destroy the city as far as we know. Destroying one block of metropolis, to topple the building, is a much better move than allowing them to destroy the entire city. As Spock would say, the good of the many...

Why exactly does he need to blow it up though? He should be able to take it apart easily with his bare hands. Maybe not as spectacular as big fiery explosions, but it still would have been fun to see it disappear piece by piece in front of Zod's eyes.

 

[SrsBsns]

Can someone explain how gemstone kryptonite works? I get it lets Clark easily persuade people but does it pass from person to person or something? I didn't get it lol

 

[rowan sjet]

Only the writer can tell us exactly how gemstone K works, but I'm guessing she doesn't have much inclination to, either because it would limit potential future stories or she just can't be bothered to explain something so ridiculous.

 

[Webhead2006]

well from what i was reading up about different types of kryptonite a few days ago it looks like the made up gemstone kryptonite for smallville is simular to the comics jewel kryptonite.

 

[Doc Ock]

As much as I like Oliver I was glad he wasn't in this episode.

I second that, I felt his presence, but the episode flowed better without him.

 

[Superfreak]

Why exactly does he need to blow it up though? He should be able to take it apart easily with his bare hands. Maybe not as spectacular as big fiery explosions, but it still would have been fun to see it disappear piece by piece in front of Zod's eyes.

well, I still don't understand why he didn't get in the way of its construction prior to this? Why wait so long when you know the potential harm the building could have caused in the first place.

 

[AgentPat]

1) falling/collapsing buildings have been a staple of superman action for a long time

And?

2) it's been almost 10 years since 911, at some point people have to realize it is in the past. How long do we have to wait before we don't have to worry about causing post traumatic stress disorder in a New Yorker. I think 8+ years is enough personally. I'm not trying to diminish the significance of the event, but rather point out that at some point, we need to move beyond. Do we worry about Iraqis who went through Shock adn Awe whenever there are bombing explosions in a movie or on TV, and that was a far more traumatic even I think, as well as destructive and more recent?

You have entirely missed the point.

3)he's saving the planet from an army of superbeings, that destroy the city as far as we know. Destroying one block of metropolis, to topple the building, is a much better move than allowing them to destroy the entire city. As Spock would say, the good of the many...

While logical, this isn't a Superman tenet.

Why exactly does he need to blow it up though? He should be able to take it apart easily with his bare hands. Maybe not as spectacular as big fiery explosions, but it still would have been fun to see it disappear piece by piece in front of Zod's eyes.

Bingo. The effect was fantastic. The story (destroy the towers before Zod can take over) made perfect sense. The execution was simply poor, IMHO. If people disagree, that's fine, but rolling eyes at others (I'm looking at you, Mikelus) does not make your opinion(s) any more valid.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I don't post enough here to care anymore. lol