9.14 - Persuasion - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Spider-Gamer]

Anyhoo, I'm done. I don't post enough here to care anymore. lol

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Serene]

The hero did what he had to do in a freaking fantasy show, of course there's going to be some collateral damage (material in this case)... by the way, Clark Kent is not a terrorist. It seems some need an extra scene of him making sure nobody was around when the towers started to fall (last shot of the episode), because Clark Kent would let people die!

Think people think!

No one questions that this is a fantasy show. Having Clark destroy twin towers in the middle of a busy city may have been spectacular in terms of special f/x, but it also seems not very well thought out. The visual of 9/11 is still (and always will be) a sensitive issue for many people, but aside from that, it simply makes no sense that Clark would cause all that destruction where so many innocent bystanders could be hurt.

 

[avidreader]

I did notice the resemblance to 9/11 straight away and my first thought was why did the Solar Towers even have to be built in pairs anyway. The technology that we have been given regarding the red sun didn't seem to require two towers to achieve the desired results. And I started to wonder are the writers trying to suggest something or make some kind of statement here? I dunno!

However, I dont think Clark would have done what he did without ensuring that there weren't any lives in danger. He is in the business of saving them not destroying them. The scene was just one of those Smallville cases where we have to rely on our own imagination that Clark made sure everyone was safe first and had some plan up his sleeve to extinguish the flames asap.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Ppl 9/11 hapened like 9 years ago, LET IT GO!. It was very tragic, alot of loved one's died, it's a sad day & I remember it well but ppl have to stop being so obsessive about it, talking about it at every turn whenever you see a burning building on TV. If 9/11 happened in freakin Dubai or thailand, you wouldn't hear as much about it, if at all, but because it happened in America, it's all of a sudden the biggest thing that ever happened in the world. American's need to get over themselves & put it behind them & look forward, not back. looking back get's no one anywhere, it's just a painfull reminder. Smallville was not tryign to get across some message, nor were they being irresponsible by showing it, hell 20 bucks saus they didn't eventhink about 9/11 when designing the towers. ppl need to stop overthinking thing's & move on.



Steve

 

[Webhead2006]

Who really knows we could always go to the SV_writers twitter page and ask them why it was like it was and the destruction scene.

 

[avidreader]

Ppl 9/11 hapened like 9 years ago, LET IT GO!. It was very tragic, alot of loved one's died, it's a sad day & I remember it well but ppl have to stop being so obsessive about it, talking about it at every turn whenever you see a burning building on TV. If 9/11 happened in freakin Dubai or thailand, you wouldn't hear as much about it, if at all, but because it happened in America, it's all of a sudden the biggest thing that ever happened in the world. American's need to get over themselves & put it behind them & look forward, not back. looking back get's no one anywhere, it's just a painfull reminder. Smallville was not tryign to get across some message, nor were they being irresponsible by showing it, hell 20 bucks saus they didn't eventhink about 9/11 when designing the towers. ppl need to stop overthinking thing's & move on.



Steve

Well for some people its easy to move on and for others it isnt, you cant just tell people to move on. For some that image was a gentle reminder and for some it was a horrible moment to have to relive again. Different people react in different ways and there are many instances in film where history is used to tell a story or put across a message and I dont believe its acting irresponsibly either, its just not something that you see in Smallville and probably shocked a few viewers.

And I bet if you go around the Smallville Boards you will see alot of people, Americans, Europeans, Asians and Australians, saw exactly the same thing and will be having plenty to say about it.

And on that note that is all I have to say about it.

 

[echostation]

I think there could have been better ways to show the destruction of the towers but still a very cool plot point in the storyline overall. I think this episode overall was much better than I thought it was going to turn out given how crap that stupid Lois dancing clip was, ugh, that scene still annoys the crap out of me but still overall a very very solid episode

Does anyone else think that Callum as Zod is just superb! The guy brings a depth to the character that shows some very little residual good in him but overall just a plain bad ass villain, he's excellent in all of his scenes, I've yet to see him put in a bad performance, he really really helps elevate the show

 

[Webhead2006]

totally i have enjoyed callum's work all season so far.

 

[Superfreak]

And?

You have entirely missed the point.

I think you missed the Robot Chicken Cloverfield skit... that explains everything

http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/too-soon.html

 

[Brainiac 8]

you sir, are a scholar and a gentleman

Love the new avvy.

Oh, and I haven't gotten to see the episode yet...in fact I just saw Warrior last night online...life is keeping me so busy.

I'll watch this Friday before the new one probably, glad it was a good episode.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it turned out to be a pretty solid episode

 

[Hush]

I think Clark destroying the towers was a great way to show character growth, he made a HUGE choice. I think more things along these lines should happen to show that clark is growing.

 

[Webhead2006]

OH totally hush clark for the most part has had alot of growth between most of last season and all of this season.

 

[Serene]

yea it turned out to be a pretty solid episode

That's not exactly a universal sentiment. I thought it had it's really good moments, but overall, it's low on my list of favorites.

 

[Syncos]

Ppl 9/11 hapened like 9 years ago, LET IT GO!. It was very tragic, alot of loved one's died, it's a sad day & I remember it well but ppl have to stop being so obsessive about it, talking about it at every turn whenever you see a burning building on TV. If 9/11 happened in freakin Dubai or thailand, you wouldn't hear as much about it, if at all, but because it happened in America, it's all of a sudden the biggest thing that ever happened in the world. American's need to get over themselves & put it behind them & look forward, not back. looking back get's no one anywhere, it's just a painfull reminder. Smallville was not tryign to get across some message, nor were they being irresponsible by showing it, hell 20 bucks saus they didn't eventhink about 9/11 when designing the towers. ppl need to stop overthinking thing's & move on.

Steve

You know what this post proves? It proves that you didn't have a loved one die tragically in that disaster. If you did being reminded of it even vaguely would strike a cord. I didn't even know anyone in New York at the time, nor did I see a reference to 9/11 in the scene. But I can certainly see how people effected would. And I think "Get over it" is a hugely insensitive statement to say to people who lost family and friends.

 

[triplet]

You know, I didn't think THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE TWIN TOWERS OMG! When I saw that part of the episode...

So, that part didn't bother me at all.

*shrug*

What I did think was OMG! DID CLARK JUST DESTROY A BUILDING?

It never occurred to me to think that there were any lives at risk because Clark wouldn't do that, but the destruction of something like that is actually very Superman-like.

In the comics, wouldn't he have destroyed it without really thinking about it?

 

[Mikelus]

You know, I didn't think THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE TWIN TOWERS OMG! When I saw that part of the episode...

So, that part didn't bother me at all.

*shrug*

What I did think was OMG! DID CLARK JUST DESTROY A BUILDING?

It never occurred to me to think that there were any lives at risk because Clark wouldn't do that, but the destruction of something like that is actually very Superman-like.

In the comics, wouldn't he have destroyed it without really thinking about it?

Agreed, but some see CK as a wannabe terrorist and the producers as evil for doing that scene...

 

[Webhead2006]

It was stated many times in the episode that the building wasnt open yet, it was opening in the next few days. So there was no civilians in the building. Plus all workers were out of the area. We know clark wouldnt kill innocent people at all. Plus from the way clark took out the towers they fell within the construction zone so it wasnt hurting the surrounding buildings or anything. Heck we even saw that zod and the reporters he was with were totally fine. Plus watch in the next episode they will probably make a refrence of the towers going down and no one was hurt.

 

[SV Fan]

Agreed, but some see CK as a wannabe terrorist and the producers as evil for doing that scene...

Just a guess here but most who view Clark to be a terrorist because of that scene also believe Chloe is going to become Lois. Basically unless Clark is running to Chloe every other minute for help, Clark is a bad person in their eyes.

 

[rowan sjet]

Just a guess here but most who view Clark to be a terrorist because of that scene also believe Chloe is going to become Lois.

Trust me, you're wrong.

 

[KBX]

didn't Clark phone say 911 when Lois called him when he was talking to the fairy lady?

 

[dru-zod2501]

You know, I didn't think THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE TWIN TOWERS OMG! When I saw that part of the episode...

So, that part didn't bother me at all.

*shrug*

What I did think was OMG! DID CLARK JUST DESTROY A BUILDING?

It never occurred to me to think that there were any lives at risk because Clark wouldn't do that, but the destruction of something like that is actually very Superman-like.

In the comics, wouldn't he have destroyed it without really thinking about it?

That is where you lose me. The 9-11 connection didn't strike me (though now I can understand the opposition), but the real Superman would've absolutely been thinking about to go about doing this safely. Did Clark really think raining down fiery debris in an uncontrolled, unscheduled, unanounced demolition was the best option available to him?!. This is a city where human civilization once collapsed in the space of a few hours because Brainiac shut off the electricity!

Now Clark has just committed what could easily be construed as an act of terrorism, and he's getting another free pass.

yet another reminder why I'm not watching this show anymore; this "superman" isn't even remotely up to standard

 

[KBX]

That is where you lose me. The 9-11 connection didn't strike me (though now I can understand the opposition), but the real Superman would've absolutely been thinking about to go about doing this safely. Did Clark really think raining down fiery debris in an uncontrolled, unscheduled, unanounced demolition was the best option available to him?!. This is a city where human civilization once collapsed in the space of a few hours because Brainiac shut off the electricity!

Now Clark has just committed what could easily be construed as an act of terrorism, and he's getting another free pass.

yet another reminder why I'm not watching this show anymore; this "superman" isn't even remotely up to standard

Its all about intentions. Is Clark intention to hurt people by burning down a building so the debris might damage people? no that is not Clarks intention, that is a terrorist intention. His whole point of doing this was to make sure that he keeps his powers so Zod won't get his and enslaves the world. What makes you think that he didn't know the building was empty or that he didn't check and see that no one will get hurt?

I can see why AgentPat might be upset about it, the comparision is there to 9/11, but to say that a real superman doesn't destroy building for a better cause, well thats stretching it. Superman does have an angry side...

 

[Gmanofsteel]

To play Devil's advocate for Clark, not destroying the towers = Zod's army conquering earth and Clark powerless to stop it.

 

[Superfreak]

To play Devil's advocate for Clark, not destroying the towers = Zod's army conquering earth and Clark powerless to stop it.

I know right



anyhow, Clark's poor handling of the situation, is prolly what's gonna drag Waller into all of this. Anyhow, that's what I'm assuming. And like always, she'll assume superman is the villain, until she realizes the what's a stake, and come out on the winning side.