A Case For Creation

[TheSumOfGod]

But some of you are just seem so threatened by the meer mention of anything like this.

Some of us feel threatened by the idea of Western civilization philosophically returning to the Middle-Ages, yes.

 

[celldog]

And considering that they have never found the "Missing Link" .....that transitional form from one species to another, this is an option worth exploring.

 

[celldog]

Some of us feel threatened by the idea of Western civilization philosophically returning to the Middle-Ages, yes.

LOL.........

AAAAHHHHH........SMELL THAT TOLERANCE IN THE AIR! LOL !!

 

[Corinthian™]

And considering that they have never found the "Missing Link" .....that transitional form from one species to another, this is an option worth exploring.

they haven't found it yet, but we like to use our noggings and see what we got to conect the dots.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

And considering that they have never found the "Missing Link" .....that transitional form from one species to another, this is an option worth exploring.

The "missing link" was actually an evolutionary leap foward of several hundred millenia, from ape-man to man, that cannot be explained away easily. Did the Infinite Intelligence that created the Universe intervene? Was it super-technological aliens who re-created us in their image? Until we build a time machine, we'll never know for certain.

 

[Corinthian™]

LOL.........

AAAAHHHHH........SMELL THAT TOLERANCE IN THE AIR! LOL !!

*sniiiiiif*

mmmh... smells like barbeque

 

[Corinthian™]

The "missing link" was actually an evolutionary leap foward of several hundred millenia, from ape-man to man, that cannot be explained away easily. Did the Infinite Intelligence that created the Universe intervene? Was it super-technological aliens who re-created us in their image? Until we build a time machine, we'll never know for certain.

that too

 

[Addendum]

"Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and I am content" - Robert E. Howard, Queen of the Black Coast, Weird Tales 1934.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

"Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and I am content" - Robert E. Howard, Queen of the Black Coast, Weird Tales 1934.

I thought it was Conan who said that.

 

[The Overlord]

Lazur...thanks for being "open-minded". Look...I didn't post this to get any arguments going. But some of you are just seem so threatened by the meer mention of anything like this.

Calm down. I think Lazur got the point. It's an interesting topic.

Check out this video preview.

http://www.illustramedia.com/tpppreview.htm

Forget all that, how do we test to ID theory to see if its true or not?

 

[Addendum]

Conan said it, through the pen of his creator.

 

[lazur]

You perpetually demonize liberals in every political thread you post in, essentially blaming them for all the ills of the world. I don't need telepathy to figure out the way you think, your own words will do just fine.

And you do the same to conservatives. Whooptie.

 

[Corinthian™]

And you do the same to conservatives. Whooptie.

Enron

 

[lazur]

stupid english stuff

ok, then it's halfway religious


either way you are evading my point. Intelligent design and creationism is just as possible as the freak of nature idea

Umm, no, it's not even 'halfway' religious. Get a grasp on the definition. This DOES NOT QUALIFY as religious, okay? Get over it and move on.

And I'm not evading anything. The topic of this thread is about POSSIBILITY. You don't know for sure, any more than the rest of us, what the eff is going on and how everything came to be. Everything is speculation. My point is that for you or anyone else to come into a thread (which is delving into POSSIBILITY and asking people to be open-minded) just to try and shut the conversation down, as if you have a patent on the true nature of things, is just plain ignorant.

In other words, you're as clueless as the rest of the world about humankind and how it came to be. So get the eff off your soapbox and join the discussion in a CONSTRUCTIVE way.

 

[Henry Hill]

Guys, calm down! Remember how open minded and tolerant Cell Dog was towards The Da Vinci Code? I think we should extend him the same courtesy.

 

[Addendum]

And by constructive, post websites that want your money

 

[Mr Sparkle]

LOL.........

AAAAHHHHH........SMELL THAT TOLERANCE IN THE AIR! LOL !!

LOL, tolerate it, I don't want to pass legislation in order for you not to be able to have such views, or that you can freely practice your beliefs as long as they are nto harmful to anyone else. hell, you can adopt children or have them if you wish and bring them into your wacky religion.

doesn't mean i have to agree with you. or offer you any sort of special respect.

see? that's tolerance.

i'd like to see religious people be "tolerant" of gays (see gay marriage/adoption) yet, they can't seem to. however they always expect to be catered to.



how odd.

 

[C.F. Kane]

The Priveledged Planet presents no "case" at all. It simply states that there are many factors regarding the nature of the universe that are difficult to describe with our current knowledge of the universe.

The existence of a "designer" is a belief, not a theory. It cannot be proved, and it cannot be falsified. It can't be tested at all. It is not science in any way, shape or form.

 

[Bill]

Umm, no, it's not even 'halfway' religious. Get a grasp on the definition. This DOES NOT QUALIFY as religious, okay? Get over it and move on.

And I'm not evading anything. The topic of this thread is about POSSIBILITY. You don't know for sure, any more than the rest of us, what the eff is going on and how everything came to be. Everything is speculation. My point is that for you or anyone else to come into a thread (which is delving into POSSIBILITY and asking people to be open-minded) just to try and shut the conversation down, as if you have a patent on the true nature of things, is just plain ignorant.

In other words, you're as clueless as the rest of the world about humankind and how it came to be. So get the eff off your soapbox and join the discussion in a CONSTRUCTIVE way.

Actually, ID "theory" is religious. It was invented by the religious, and uses scientific sounding terms to fool the religious. When the ID proponent says "intelligent designer" he or she means the Christian God, no matter what else they may state. It is meant to be a scientific sounding way to get the Christian version of the Creation story into schools because they don't like people learning evolution. There is no science behind it. By the very nature of the "theory" it cannot be proven. You cannot prove the existence of an "intelligent designer". ID proponents have no clearcut definition of how to notice "design" and they have no experimentation to detect it.

Here is an article for the "ID-is-not-religion" crowd. Another for the "ID-is-science" crowd. And another for the "ID-is-not-creationism" crowd. Heck, here's an entire page that offers a rebuttal for just about any Creationist or ID claim you can think of. At least be honest enough to label it for what it is.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Actually, ID "theory" is religious. It was invented by the religious, and uses scientific sounding terms to fool the religious. When the ID proponent says "intelligent designer" he or she means the Christian God, no matter what else they may state. It is meant to be a scientific sounding way to get the Christian version of the Creation story into schools because they don't like people learning evolution. There is no science behind it. By the very nature of the "theory" it cannot be proven. You cannot prove the existence of an "intelligent designer". ID proponents have no clearcut definition of how to notice "design" and they have no experimentation to detect it.

Here is an article for the "ID-is-not-religion" crowd. Another for the "ID-is-science" crowd. And another for the "ID-is-not-creationism" crowd. Heck, here's an entire page that offers a rebuttal for just about any Creationist or ID claim you can think of. At least be honest enough to label it for what it is.

nice job....

 

[celldog]

they haven't found it yet, but we like to use our noggings and see what we got to conect the dots.

Well? How long is it gonna take?? It's been over a century. And everything seems to keep pointing in the direction of "intelligence". Think about it. In Darwin's day they didn't have nearly the tech we have now to explore creation. They had microscopes that could only see so far. Now what Darwin's day thought as "simple", have been discovered to be complex in this day. Very complex.

 

[celldog]

*sniiiiiif*

mmmh... smells like barbeque

I'd like a little Kraft Hickory Smoke Sauce on those ribs, please.

 

[celldog]

I thought it was Conan who said that.

O'brien???

 

[lazur]

Actually, ID "theory" is religious. It was invented by the religious, and uses scientific sounding terms to fool the religious. When the ID proponent says "intelligent designer" he or she means the Christian God, no matter what else they may state. It is meant to be a scientific sounding way to get the Christian version of the Creation story into schools because they don't like people learning evolution. There is no science behind it. By the very nature of the "theory" it cannot be proven. You cannot prove the existence of an "intelligent designer". ID proponents have no clearcut definition of how to notice "design" and they have no experimentation to detect it.

Here is an article for the "ID-is-not-religion" crowd. Another for the "ID-is-science" crowd. And another for the "ID-is-not-creationism" crowd. Heck, here's an entire page that offers a rebuttal for just about any Creationist or ID claim you can think of. At least be honest enough to label it for what it is.

That's completely meaningless, and here's why - people adopt certain parts of certain beliefs and call it their own ALL the time. It is completely plausible for someone to come along and adopt ID as a non-religious explanation for how they personally feel about the nature of the universe. One does NOT have to believe in a 'Christian God' to also believe in ID, even IF it was originally conceptualized BY Christians.

To make an analogy, that'd be like saying that all cars are Fords because the first car was a Ford (I'm not sure what the first car was, but supposing that a Ford was indeed the first car built), or that would be like saying anyone who believes in any aspect of evolution is a follower of Darwin.

You can't generalize to that extent.

 

[Corinthian™]

Well? How long is it gonna take?? It's been over a century. And everything seems to keep pointing in the direction of "intelligence". Think about it. In Darwin's day they didn't have nearly the tech we have now to explore creation. They had microscopes that could only see so far. Now what Darwin's day thought as "simple", have been discovered to be complex in this day. Very complex.

it doesn't point towards intelligence

It never has, well, maybe about 500 years ago, but not now.

The advance of out technology has proven that the evolution theory is the number one theory. Just look at Bacteria. They are so complex but we are begining to understand how they work and they surely evolve by the hour. They change and change and change. But you also have to consider that in order for a Bacteria to change so dramatically it's Irrecognizable will take MILLIONS OF YEARS! And you won't see it.

Intelligent design is the "scientific" way of drilling creationism into our lives.

And seriously, Only in America you see this kind of backwards thinking