Sequels A Change Is Coming

[Villain]

An interesting development is possibly brewing with the Superman Franchise and Warner Brothers, that can not be substantiated at this point. A rough draft of the sequel to “Superman Returns” is rumored to have surfaced around the Warner Brothers Studio. Dan Harris, one of the principal writers on the franchise, is said to be totally oblivious to how these rumors get started and have said, no draft exist. However, sources at the studio say that Dan, himself, is apparently petitioning Warner to purchase the rights to this draft, in order to remove it from public scrutiny. Does this mean that parts of it may possibly find its way to the sequel’s script? The draft is said to have some very intriguing plot scenarios, with a gripping mystery, a degree of emotion, and a huge twist involving one of the primary characters.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

As much as I'd love to believe this, it has too much rumor in it. What has Harris been doing for the past few months?

 

[Showtime]

I'm confused, this is the Harris draft or an unknown writers draft?

 

[Spiderine]

Plot twist for a main character huh? Sounds like Richard or the kid may be the twist. Interesting if true. I hope more info leaks out about the direction they are moving in. I am willing to bet that this alien villain has followed Superman back to earth.

 

[Spiderine]

I want to know more.

 

[BareKnucklez]

An interesting development is possibly brewing with the Superman Franchise and Warner Brothers, that can not be substantiated at this point. A rough draft of the sequel to “Superman Returns” is rumored to have surfaced around the Warner Brothers Studio. Dan Harris, one of the principal writers on the franchise, is said to be totally oblivious to how these rumors get started and have said, no draft exist. However, sources at the studio say that Dan, himself, is apparently petitioning Warner to purchase the rights to this draft, in order to remove it from public scrutiny. Does this mean that parts of it may possibly find its way to the sequel’s script? The draft is said to have some very intriguing plot scenarios, with a gripping mystery, a degree of emotion, and a huge twist involving one of the primary characters.

boring...

So Dan Harris is thinking of stealing some other writers ideas, and putting it on his script?
Isn't the lack of originality what hurt the last movie?

t:

 

[Rated-X]

An interesting development is possibly brewing with the Superman Franchise and Warner Brothers, that can not be substantiated at this point. A rough draft of the sequel to “Superman Returns” is rumored to have surfaced around the Warner Brothers Studio. Dan Harris, one of the principal writers on the franchise, is said to be totally oblivious to how these rumors get started and have said, no draft exist. However, sources at the studio say that Dan, himself, is apparently petitioning Warner to purchase the rights to this draft, in order to remove it from public scrutiny. Does this mean that parts of it may possibly find its way to the sequel’s script? The draft is said to have some very intriguing plot scenarios, with a gripping mystery, a degree of emotion, and a huge twist involving one of the primary characters.

Interesting. Harris did say villains with a (s). Where do you find your information?

 

[Steelsheen]

wait i dont get it...

there's another draft to SR2 written by someone else that the SR2 writers want to take off the market?

so much for coming up with their own ideas....

 

[ervann]

No Bizzaro (another King Kong) or Mxyzptlk (imagine how he'll look like or saying his name onscreen - laughable).

Go with the safe choices that offer kick-ass set pieces and maybe an arc over another 2 films- Brainiac, Darkseid, even Metallo. Forget Doomsday - he'd going to have his own animated DVD movie. No point using that story again. And don't do a 'Venom' who gets so little screen time.

Singer won't have the chops to do Darkseid, and if what Harris say is true looks like they'll be creating a new villain character. God help us.

I like what Harris said about using a villain that poses a threat to humanity, not just Superman. New Krypton was basically a threat to Superman. He wasn't so much as saving the world as he was saving himself by throwing it into space.

With humanity at stake it will be different and he should be forced to make hard choices. I realluy hope the writers deliver on their premise this time.

 

[Nokio]

I do hope that SR was a good start off for the sequel to come. I want Singer to come back and make a movie that crushes the competition and brings Superman back to the hero that everyone can relate to. I want a Superman that is kind and gentle, yet able to throw it down with a tough and punishing villan. That's what made the Death and Return of Superman a great series and made the public interested in Superman once again.

Singer is the problem. I think the guy is a good director, but not for Superman or anything in the same genre. Harris and who ever else writes the script had no idea what to do with Superman. If you want a kick @ss superman, with great fight sequences I say bring on Zack Snyder. In fact i say axe Superman altogether and do a Justice League movie. Superman doesn't have the relevence that he had 20 years ago. The audience today want more and a team of heroes is something newer and more exciting, especially if done right.

We've had both the xmen and the f4 and neither left a good impression of the team dynamics that worK so well in comics. Due to FOX'S inability to see what's in front of them and their micromanaging both franchises to death the potential was wasted. We got a Fantastic Four that was 100 non Fantastic and three Xmen flicks they never got the whole concept of what the mutants were about. The Xmen are known for their amazing mutant powers no doubt, but in the films you never got the sense of the Mutant hatred that was so strong in the comics, and worst of all we never got what the Xmen are best known for, THEIR AWESOME TEAMWORK and beating overwelming odds. The Xmen could take Down Superman and Doomsday combined.

We can thank the same man who delivered a mediocre Superman for that same mediocreness on the xmen. I'm not going to blame Rater for X3, because the problem was with FOX. Ratner actually made X3 the most exciting action wise of the three and the man has talent as a director. If the script was up to snuff Ratner would've delivered. He did well with what he had to work with.

 

[GreenKToo]

To me X-3 was on the same level as the F4 movie. As for singer's superman, I think he overestimated the publics fondness for the donner films. Hopefully he'll make the sequel his own.

 

[cronosred]

To me X-3 was on the same level as the F4 movie. As for singer's superman, I think he overestimated the publics fondness for the donner films. Hopefully he'll make the sequel his own.

For me one of the big reasons I felt Superman Returns was rather flawed was not because it was connected to the Reeve films it's that it was a vague continuation while also trying to copy quite a few things from the first Superman movie. Singer should have either made it an original direct sequel or an original film but the vague sequel kind of kills it because you don't what is counted and what isn't which made it such a bad idea I am not sure why he botherd to do it that way. I must say though I enjoyed X-3 far more than Superman Returns because although it did have some problems it just didn't feel as flawed as Superman did. I really hope that for the sequel the writers and director really think out the story better before they film it.

 

[El Payaso]

boring...

So Dan Harris is thinking of stealing some other writers ideas, and putting it on his script?

Yeah, all those writers and directors taking ideas directly from comic book writers. Gosh, the infamy.

 

[El Payaso]

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[Showtime]

boring...

So Dan Harris is thinking of stealing some other writers ideas, and putting it on his script?
Isn't the lack of originality what hurt the last movie?

t:

Anybody who continously raves at the quality of primetime 1-hour teen dramas shouldn't really be commenting on originality...

 

[BareKnucklez]

Anybody who continously raves at the quality of primetime 1-hour teen dramas shouldn't really be commenting on originality...

I never said that show wasn't without flaw my friend... Everything the WB puts out is heavily flawed... But it is a lot more entertaining then the SR movie, and the cast is 100% better.
Not to mention that in that 1 hour week in, and week out for 6 seasons now it has kicked SR's butt in the Action department... So whatever.

By the way the writers on that show atleast are doing their own spin on the characters, and that is ORIGINAL... Unlike SR which is a total rip off from the Donner movies.

So what was that again?

 

[Sluggo]

Superman Returns is a lot like Burton's Batman, the more I watch it the less I like it.

The more I think about the only way we are goign to get a truelly great Superman movie and not "A Richard Donner Wanna Be Superman movie" is if Alfred Gough, Miles Millar, Brian Wayne Peterson and Jeph Loeb write the script and Tom Welling (whos a MUCH better Superman and Kent then Routh), Michael Rosenbaum and Erica Durance star in the movie.

 

[Super Kal]

no thanks... I'll stick with Routh. He looks the part more than the other guy

 

[Showtime]

I never said that show wasn't without flaw my friend... Everything the WB puts out is heavily flawed... But it is a lot more entertaining then the SR movie, and the cast is 100% better.
Not to mention that in that 1 hour week in, and week out for 6 seasons now it has kicked SR's butt in the Action department... So whatever.

By the way the writers on that show atleast are doing their own spin on the characters, and that is ORIGINAL... Unlike SR which is a total rip off from the Donner movies.

So what was that again?

Heh Heh. Laughable.

I wont get into the problems with said show, this is the Returns Forum. I don't want to make you look silly anyway, I have that effect on people.

 

[Angeloz]

I never said that show wasn't without flaw my friend... Everything the WB puts out is heavily flawed... But it is a lot more entertaining then the SR movie, and the cast is 100% better.

There is a good cast in "Smallville" though there is also weaker members. I thought "Superman Returns" had a great cast. But these are opinions not facts.

Not to mention that in that 1 hour week in, and week out for 6 seasons now it has kicked SR's butt in the Action department... So whatever.

Yes throwing people 20 feet away is soooo goood. I'll admit we're behind so I haven't seen most of the sixth season and I just got the DVDs of the fifth season so have only seen slightly more than half of them. But to me action does not mean good. Nor does it add greatness to a story. It's childish to think so.

By the way the writers on that show atleast are doing their own spin on the characters, and that is ORIGINAL... Unlike SR which is a total rip off from the Donner movies.

So what was that again?

Let's see they killed Jonathan and I presume it was a heart attack 'cos I've yet to see the episode. That's sooooo original and never happened in any other medium including the films. There's a crystal Fortress of Solitude. That's original too and there's so much more I'm sure. I'll grant you there has been new things, some good, like Chloe. Then there's the bad like Clark not wearing glasses and revealing himself to the bad guys constantly. They conveniently are put away. Also having everyone in his future see him without glasses. So all the characters will have to have a massive mind-wipe or he'll have to have kryptonian plastic surgery to change his face completely to have a secret identity at all. I'm assuming he wants one. Or will he be the first version of Superman wear a mask because of what I've mentioned.

Then there's semi-evil Jor-El doing crap to him and his family as a form of tough love I guess. Including having him promise to return to the Fortress but when overdue is punished. Because he had to take care of the little problem Jor-El wanted him to take care of. He was needlessly punished because he'd promised on a ridiculous timetable of returning so he could learn to face the threat that he'd dealt with (at least one of them). There's so much more. By the way just because I think there's problems with the show doesn't mean I hate it. I don't. Though I don't expect greatness from it either. I simply want to be entertained and I am. And sometimes the even more ludicrous ones do that because of it's silliness.

Angeloz

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Superman may not have a successful movie franchise like Spider-Man or Batman does at the moment, but remember there was a time when Batman didn't a little less than decade ago. Superman is iconic, and will always be iconic, moreso than even Batman. Batman may be the flavor of the month, but Superman still has a town dedicated to him, solidified pop culture references, shows and toy lines, the word "super"hero itself comes from him, and every superhero in existence owes his creation to Kal-El. Not to mention there is not a writer artist team alive that doesn't want a crack at his book, if only just once. Being an icon is different than being popular, it superceeds being popular. Batman, while very iconic in his own right, can still fall from grace, as we have seen. Superman cannot. Everything about him is almost untouchable.

In fact Superman Returns if anything is a testament to his strength. As a movie it was "okay", potentially even "fair" or "good" as far as movies go. But people had such high standards for Superman the character that just any attempt to do him justice won't do. Not just fans, but laypeople, were critical of that movie for things they saw as violations of the character. You don't get that with Batman, X-Men and Spider-Man. They aren't as ingrained in the public consciousness as Superman.

 

[Nokio]

Yeah, all those writers and directors taking ideas directly from comic book writers. Gosh, the infamy.

Can you imagine how some of the comic writers feel? I mean a lot of those guys are really good and have crafted excellant stories and to have the movie industry come in and use their ideas and don't give them credit just stings to high hell. A ton of money is made on some of those flicks and the the litte guys get nothing.


I've always said that if you want to get a good comic film that will please both fans and non fans, get some of theose comic writers on board when scripting a film. I just don't understrand how the F4 could have been such a miss when all FOX had to do was go to marvel and enlist some creative talent. I just truly do not get why some of these comic writers are never bought on board to help bring some of those comic movies on screen?

I'm sure their is some difference when writting a film then writting a comic, but it can't be that huge of difference. I don't know if f42 will be a miss or the next Superman but do know if Singer was smart he and harris and who ever else need to take their butts over to DC, heck Dini and Timm has proven they can write good stories, but yet they are never used.

 

[DangerousInc.]

I dont know what that was either but I think there should b a restart.

 

[ervann]

Can you imagine how some of the comic writers feel? I mean a lot of those guys are really good and have crafted excellant stories and to have the movie industry come in and use their ideas and don't give them credit just stings to high hell. A ton of money is made on some of those flicks and the the litte guys get nothing.


I've always said that if you want to get a good comic film that will please both fans and non fans, get some of theose comic writers on board when scripting a film. I just don't understrand how the F4 could have been such a miss when all FOX had to do was go to marvel and enlist some creative talent. I just truly do not get why some of these comic writers are never bought on board to help bring some of those comic movies on screen?

I'm sure their is some difference when writting a film then writting a comic, but it can't be that huge of difference. I don't know if f42 will be a miss or the next Superman but do know if Singer was smart he and harris and who ever else need to take their butts over to DC, heck Dini and Timm has proven they can write good stories, but yet they are never used.

I can imagine ego comes into play, among other things. To ask screenwriters to go to comicbook writers for input, even guidance on story, would be stretch for some of these co-called screenwriters. Their idea of 'referencing the source' is to spend endless hours reading the comics. That's all fine, but why stop there? Why not REALLY go to the source and get it form those guys who write these comics? And it's just the story, really. The screenwriters can still do thier thing (characters, structure, dialogue etc) but let the comics writers contribute to the story. There's no doubt the final product wil be richer for it. I agree with you, to ignore such wealth of character, history and canon knowledge is unfathomable.

I think thats' what Jon Favreu is doing with Iron Man. I have a feeling that movie is going to turn out pretty amazing.

 

[El Payaso]

The more I think about the only way we are goign to get a truelly great Superman movie and not "A Richard Donner Wanna Be Superman movie" is if Alfred Gough, Miles Millar, Brian Wayne Peterson and Jeph Loeb write the script and Tom Welling (whos a MUCH better Superman and Kent then Routh), Michael Rosenbaum and Erica Durance star in the movie.

Yeah, changing the "A Richard Donner Wanna Be Superman movie" for "A Smallville Wanna Be Superman movie" is what this franchise needs.

By the way the writers on that show atleast are doing their own spin on the characters, and that is ORIGINAL... Unlike SR which is a total rip off from the Donner movies.

Their own spin pon characters... like Superman going to krypton for 5 years ar having a child with Lois. Which is ORIGINAL and never happened in any of the Donner - or any other director - movies.

So what was that again?

That you're wrong yet again. But I don't think board's rules have anything about a limit number for those occasions, so relax.