A contradiction?

[SuperFerret]

That type of thing, plus my own experiences with media are the reasons I do not believe anything at face value. Question everything.

Why?

 

[bullets]

The media has a tendency to report what they hear and not facts. I have experienced this on different occasions , first hand.

 

[hammy]

Why?

Because many people in the media aren't interested in "reporting," or in "facts." They are interested in entertaining and keeping sponsorship, which equals $. Having dealt with them directly, I have seen what they are capable of.

 

[Abaddon]

you missed the joke.

 

[SuperFerret]

Because many people in the media aren't interested in "reporting," or in "facts." They are interested in entertaining and keeping sponsorship, which equals $. Having dealt with them directly, I have seen what they are capable of.

Am I just not funny or was that too subtle?

you missed the joke.

 

[bullets]

you missed the joke.

lol , now i feel stupid.

 

[hammy]

D'oh!!

Still, heed my words young man.

 

[SuperFerret]

D'oh!!

Still, heed my words young man.

I already question most things, and I'm well aware of the sensationalistic nature of the media.


I just can't pass up an opportunity like that.

 

[hammy]

I already question most things, and I'm well aware of the sensationalistic nature of the media.

It's not just the sensationalistic nature, it's also being lazy and an unwillingness to do what's necessary to get the facts. And there are too many people willing to bend the rules and manufacture "quotes." It's not good.

 

[hammy]

I just can't pass up an opportunity like that.

Oh, and yeah .. I don't blame you.

 

[StorminNorman]

See, people are saying this.

You don't know that.
J. Nicholson is more important, because time can't erase what we KNOW about him. He DID this stuff.


Do I really have to bore everyone with the ginormous list of super-promising young stars who looked set to ignite the sky over Hollywood who ended up a joke because of a few years of bad decisions?

Are you all time-travellers?
Take me with you next time!

Look at Nicholson's twilight years. Name one outstanding performance in the last 10-15 years? You can't. He is one of the greatest actors of all time but he is not one of the best actors in Hollywood right now. These days he plays what is mainly the same character in every film. Now, don't get me wrong - he is one of, if not my favorite actors of all time, but right as of this time a week ago - Ledger was the better actor in the present. Hollywood lost more talent with Ledger dying than the would of if Nicholson did.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Look at Nicholson's twilight years. Name one outstanding performance in the last 10-15 years? You can't. He is one of the greatest actors of all time but he is not one of the best actors in Hollywood right now. These days he plays what is mainly the same character in every film. Now, don't get me wrong - he is one of, if not my favorite actors of all time, but right as of this time a week ago - Ledger was the better actor in the present. Hollywood lost more talent with Ledger dying than the would of if Nicholson did.

Weren't As good as it gets, About Schmidt and The Pledge all within the last 10 years ? not to mention his performance in The Departed.

 

[X-Punisher]

Because Heath Ledger is[was] HAWT

 

[Warhammer]

Weren't As good as it gets, About Schmidt and The Pledge all within the last 10 years ? not to mention his performance in The Departed.

Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. He even won an Oscar 10 years ago for As Good As It Gets, if that doesn't get the point across.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Jack Nicholson wasn't even my point.
My point was, the big lofty pronouncements and commemorations are reserved for people who DID things in their field...You don't say, "Well, he was going to be the greatest actor of his generation, so...we'll just say, he was the greatest actor of his generation."

Christian Slater was really promising...and Mira Sorvino, and a thousand others who are now direct-to-video stars.
River Phoenix...really promising, but he became a drug addict and killed himself.

Two high profile roles don't guarantee you a lasting legacy of greatness.
Look at...Danny Glover...he used to be box office gold for a bit.
What's he been in recently?
The same with Whoopi Goldberg...hittin' the scene hard with the Color Purple and...yeah, "Rat Race" was one of the worst movies ever made.
Christopher Reeve, a great guy, well-loved for being the best Superman.
What did he do after that?

 

[Warhammer]

Jack Nicholson wasn't even my point.
My point was, the big lofty pronouncements and commemorations are reserved for people who DID things in their field...You don't say, "Well, he was going to be the greatest actor of his generation, so...we'll just say, he was the greatest actor of his generation."

Christian Slater was really promising...and Mira Sorvino, and a thousand others who are now direct-to-video stars.
River Phoenix...really promising, but he became a drug addict and killed himself.

Two high profile roles don't guarantee you a lasting legacy of greatness.
Look at...Danny Glover...he used to be box office gold for a bit.
What's he been in recently?
The same with Whoopi Goldberg...hittin' the scene hard with the Color Purple and...yeah, "Rat Race" was one of the worst movies ever made.
Christopher Reeve, a great guy, well-loved for being the best Superman.
What did he do after that?

I like that, and completely agree with you.

 

[Erzengel]

It's funny that people are trying to associate themselves to the situation. (i.e., a poster wanted to dress up as the Joker for work and didn't care if he was sent home).

 

[Warhammer]

There is a fine line between being a fan and a fanboy. That's ridiculous.

 

[Jerry!]

Weren't As good as it gets, About Schmidt and The Pledge all within the last 10 years ? not to mention his performance in The Departed.

Exactly. And he plays an entirely different character in each one of those movies.

 

[Silverstein]

I understand what Matt and Wilheim are saying. And I understand what the other posters are trying to say. But I wonder now, as I personally think Matt is right, if maybe it's more than fandom and media-****ing....What if there's a kind of bandwagon-ness of it all?

Because of people liking him a lot (fandom) and because it's in the news like everyday...People could be exagerating their opinions to relate with other people on the subject?

It took me a while, but I read every post here. And someone mentioned that co-workers asked "Why do they do it?" when the thing came up on tv. Something to talk about?

I wonder...

 

[Argyle of Sock]

I read very few of the posts in this thread, but I thought I'd toss my two cents into the ring anyway. I like watching Heath Leger movies: I would certainly characterize myself as a fan. Though I have never met him personally, that's essentially a moot point: I invite him into my living room every time I watch one of his movies. I enjoy his company.

Though I don't think that any one human life is any more valuable than any other, and any death is a tragedy, Heath Ledger's death is ultimately much more meaningful *to me* than the death of a random individual picked from the obituary pages.

 

[Jerry!]

It's the same way with everyone. Everybody here has done that, I guarantee you. That's why I don't understand the people who call out fans of Ledger's about mourning him. Everyone has done this. Just let them be. Sure some of it sounds ridiculous, but just let it be.

 

[roach]

There is a fine line between mourning an actor you like and going to work as Joker because he died

 

[Damiean Dark]

*Begin rant*

The fact is, people here aren't mourning Heath Ledger. They are mourning what they see as "The Joker." Fanboys just can't distinguish between the two. If Heath Ledger was never cast in the role, do you really think you'd see all of this?

I mean, go to the Batforums and look at some of the comments being made. "The best actor of his generation." "The best actor to never win an Oscar." "Should get an Oscar for playing the Joker (even though no one has seen him in the role yet outside of a few minutes in a trailer)." These comments aren't logical in the least. He was a good actor, sure, but has he really don't enough to be deemed the best of his generation or the best to never win an Oscar? Hell no. And my point isn't to bash Ledger. My point is to show how little logic is behind this "mourning." These people aren't mourning a person, Chinesefood. They are mourning the character the person played. Therefore, your comments, no matter how true or logical are utterly pointless as well...they don't care. They aren't really "mourning him." Hell, they don't even care about Ledger in the least. "Now I can never meet him or see him play the Joker again." That was one of the comments in the Batforum. The guy leaves behind a 2 year old daughter and all they can think about is themselves and a friggin movie. And that is what this essentially comes down to. Self-pity, not mourning. So your contradiction is moot, as they aren't really mourning Ledger at all.

*end rant*

THANK YOU!

This is sooo true if he wasnt joker it wouldnt be an issue fanboyism gone mad imo and to tell them this or to try and form a logical argument that says heath may well have had drug problems that atributed to his death they think all you are a scumbag satan incarnate ect ect.

 

[Damiean Dark]

I don't get this idea, of denying that it's all Joker-based, and saying that instead it's because he's such a great actor who has been in such great movies.

Clowning Around (1992) - Never heard of it.

Black Rock (1997) - Never heard of it.

Paws (1997) - Never heard of it.

10 Thing I Hate About You. (1999) - utter crapola

Two Hands (1999) - Never heard of it.

The Patriot (2000) - Utter Crapperoni

A Knight's Tale (2001) - An Abomination, a crime against cinema.

Monster's Ball (2001) - Laughable crap.

The Four Feathers (2002) - Heard of it, sounded boring, got bad reviews. *shrug*

The Order (2003) - Lame

Lords of Dogtown (2005) - Who cares? They...skateboard? lol

The Brothers Grimm (2005) - Just sad.

Brokeback Mountain (2005) - Let me get this straight...It's a movie about two cowboys, who fall in love and revel in ****ing eachother secretly, and then, they can't anymore? Wow. Never was on my "Movies To Watch" list.

Casanova (2005) -

Candy (2006) - Never heard of it.

I'm Not There (2007) - Sounds mildly interesting. I'll never see it. Bob Dylan sucks. Oddly, his only album that I love was after he became a Christian, "Slow Train Coming".

The Dark Knight (2008) - AWESOME!!! CAN'T WAIT!!! THIS IS GONNA RULE!!! They don't have to waste time with the origin story and setting it all up! The JOKER!! W-I-C-K-E-D!!! Look at the new armor!!





lol, they're mourning the Joker, not "one of the greatest actors of his generation".

t: t: They just wont admit it to themselves they liked him only because of TDK. and all this talk of greatest actor is all COMPLETELY overblown he was talented but hardly amazing Brokeback is only famous for its controversial content and some of these "fans" havent even seen the film! its crazy.