A day without mexicans!!!!

[Darthphere]

Two words....Mexican Constitution.

The way they treat immigrants (the few they get) and illegals. WAY different.

They have tougher immigration laws because they cant afford to take on more people. Theyre a poor country and severly overpopulated. Either way that constitution was written in 1792, I suggest that they change some stuff, remember under our constitution blacks didnt have the right to vote until 1868.

 

[kane9321]

Are there many people crossing the boarder for the purpose of working? Sure - but many of them are also crossing the boarder to sell drugs, to sell sex slaves, and could possibly be terrorist. In a post 9/11 world we simply can not take that risk.

If people want to live in America, do it legally.

Also whenever Illegal Immigrants protest - every single one of them should be arrested and deported, simple as that. If employers higher them - they should face the punishment.

100% AGREED

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Sparkle - you may want to learn from Darthphere. He debates me about issues, however he does not get into your nasty habit of childish name calling. Hmm, debating without ad hominem attacks - and interesting idea.

LOL, just for laughs go back over the thread and see who is the first one in our interaction to say the other one is "good for a chuckle"

 

[Darthphere]

LOL, just for laughs go back over the thread and see who is the first one in our interaction to say the other one is "good for a chuckle"

Dont hate, you need to be like me, everyone wants to be like me.....

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Dont hate, you need to be like me, everyone wants to be like me.....

I admit it.....I've always wanted to be like you

 

[Corinthian™]

They have tougher immigration laws because they cant afford to take on more people. Theyre a poor country and severly overpopulated. Either way that constitution was written in 1792, I suggest that they change some stuff, remember under our constitution blacks didnt have the right to vote until 1868.

Uhm... talking about mexican constitution?

Was written in 1824... then "rewritten" in 1857 and reformed in 1917... obviously ammendments have been added over the time

and I have a position in immigration

Have another Bracero-like program, with less human rights abuses. I can tell you that my grandmother used to work in the US as a maid and lived in Mexico with my mother and aunts(6 girls in total). She was alone and she raised her family alone. Right now I have internet and a decent computer, a decent car and I'm studying in a decent University. The land of oportunity indeed.

There are other cases like mine.


Now, if you think that this would continue to affect Mexican's economy? Well, the immigration thing is not an excape valve. Mexico is in its current state not because of the goverment, but because of the people. They have turned into some conformist spoiled brats and I hate it. All the middle class is like that; the poors are the ones that go run to the States. Those are the ones that go and try for something, and I believe they should, since they cannot do nothing but manual work thanks to their lack of education. An "educated person" would just stay here and try to survive in Mexico. Sadly, we have lots of "educated people" but we lack SMART people who would fix this country.

Mexico doesn't need a better economy to stop immigration. We need more smart people. And seriously, most of the posters here do not understand the issue.

Concerning the current state. The people that go Illegaly WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPORTUNITY TO CROSS LEGALLY. DRILL THAT INTO YOUR MIND. I mean, Middle class BARELY can have a crossing visa, the ones we use everyday to go shopping or visit family. How can you expect for a poor guy to gain a card to work there?

USA, legaly, has no need for poor immigrants. They want rich people or doctors and masters and people with college education. They have no need for Farmers and other manual workers.

 

[Corinthian™]

Give me your tire, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


WOOT

 

[roach]

If the government steps up and is able to do the job the Minute Men are doing, then there would be no reason for them to be there. The fact is that simply carrying a gun does not make these people bad, and since in this country you are innocent until proven guilty - and no minute men have been charged with murder - I have to believe these people are acting within the laws.

I have no problem with the minuete men tying up illegals, its a citizens arrest - they saw them commit a crime and did something about it.

yeah it's like a neighborhood watch

 

[Darthphere]

yeah it's like a neighborhood watch

LOL, thats a nive way of putting it. You guys do realize that these illegals are falling into traps as the Minute men present themselves as some sort of police or government agency. Thats why illegals fall into their traps. Last time i checked impersonating a police or federal offical was against the law. Dman, I wish i could show you the documentray I saw.

 

[War Lord]

LOL, thats a nive way of putting it. You guys do realize that these illegals are falling into traps as the Minute men present themselves as some sort of police or government agency. Thats why illegals fall into their traps. Last time i checked impersonating a police or federal offical was against the law. Dman, I wish i could show you the documentray I saw.

Tell us more about this propaganda film you saw.

 

[dcbmp]

I think that being harrassed and threatened by a convicted felon is also outrageous.

go figure. so, if one of these ranch rescue morons rapes an illegal immigrant woman, she shouldn't be able to sue or press charges because she's here illegaly?

So what if the guy was just your average guy? Like the CRIPPLED man who was held hostage by 30 ilegals.
And they were not molested. Stop tap dancing.

 

[dcbmp]

Give me your tire, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


WOOT

I'm sure they didn't mean millions at a time.
Go back to a history book. We STOPPED ALL immigration for awhile.

 

[Darthphere]

Tell us more about this propaganda film you saw.

CNN?

 

[dcbmp]

CNN?

You damn Commie

 

[Darthphere]

You damn Commie

I guess CNN is making propaganda films now, who knew.

 

[War Lord]

CNN?

communist news network.

Must be a specialty channel, but because my cable package only goes to tier 2, I can't get it.

 

[dcbmp]

communist news network.

Must be a specialty channel, but because my cable package only goes to tier 2, I can't get it.

Ha, I get have Dish.
Fox News
CNN
MSNBC
CCTV (China's news)
BBC

 

[Darthphere]

Ha, I get have Dish.
Fox News
CNN
MSNBC
CCTV (China's news)

MSNBC=Mexican Survive Needed Border Crossing.

 

[dcbmp]

MSNBC=Mexican Survive Needed Border Crossing.

Microsoft News Broadcast Channel. But they never talk about computers?



I was watching CCTV. China is starting (through schools) to turn their culture into an innovative culture. We're innovative,we have gangsta rap and PCism

 

[Honey Vibe]

Tlatoani, why are your thread titles so inflammatorily misleading?...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

So what if the guy was just your average guy? Like the CRIPPLED man who was held hostage by 30 ilegals.
And they were not molested. Stop tap dancing.

LOL, I'm not "tap dancing" at all!

• have you read the "ranch rescue" literature?
• have you ever heard Chris Simcox speak?
• do you know that there has been an increase in the number of dead illegal immigrants found around the areas where the "minutemen" like groups gather?

puh-leese!, and whilst I can't comment on that story untill you post a link to it (from a news organization no less) I'd be hard pressed to believe it.
and dude, sorry to say, but for people who are talking about respect of the law as a key issue, you're pretty quick to side with people that take "the law" into their own hands.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Tell us more about this propaganda film you saw.

LOL, it's propaganda because it's "untrue" or because YOU WISH, it was untrue?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm sure they didn't mean millions at a time.
Go back to a history book. We STOPPED ALL immigration for awhile.

LOL, there's no "WE" unless you're like 130 years old.

do stop that, it's unbecoming.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Tlatoani, why are your thread titles so inflammatorily misleading?...

I can't believe that I have contributed to making a Tlatoani thread last sooooo damn long.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] ADL Says Armed Anti-Immigration Groups in Arizona Share Ties to White Supremacists

Update (April 2005): Extremist groups along the Arizona-Mexico border continue to use radical tactics, including armed vigilante action, to promote an extreme anti-immigrant agenda. In addition to openly inviting people to "patrol" the borders using weapons and surveillance technology, new groups have formed and activity has expanded. Several members belonging to vigilante groups have been arrested on weapons charges and white supremacist and anti-governments groups continue to express interest. More>>

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Phoenix, AZ, May 6, 2003 .... Rising tides of armed vigilantism and anti-immigrant intimidation along the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona are creating an atmosphere of fear and lawlessness, according to a new report issued by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Border Disputes: Armed Vigilantes in Arizona traces the roots and present-day activities of extreme right-wing anti-immigrant groups active in Arizona and documents their associations with white supremacists and anti-Semites. ​

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"The Arizona border has become the flashpoint for America's far-right anti-immigration movement," said Bill Straus, ADL Arizona Regional Director. "Anti-immigration groups are engaged in a campaign of vigilantism and intimidation, and their ideology has all the hallmarks of the hateful rhetoric promoted by anti-Semites and racists. We are greatly concerned that the collusion of anti-immigration groups and their extremist sympathizers is contributing to the growing climate of intolerance, lawlessness and violence along the Arizona-Mexico border."

Armed Vigilantes

Immigration control issues are often the subject of hot dispute in border communities, but in recent months an increasing number of extremist groups have been using radical tactics in Arizona - including armed vigilante action - to promote an extreme anti-immigrant agenda. Such groups are spearheading an effort to mobilize armed vigilantes to "patrol" the Arizona border to stop what they view as a Mexican "invasion." The most organized of these groups openly invite people to "patrol" the borders using technology and weapons. ADL has identified several groups who are promoting armed vigilantism while increasingly working in concert with other radicals to promote an extreme worldview - not of immigration control or reform, but one of hate and intolerance.

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  [*]American Border Patrol
  
  This virulently anti-Hispanic group, headed by Glenn Spencer, a retired businessman, is based in Sierra Vista, Arizona. Founded in California in 1992 as "Voices of Citizens Together," Spencer's group has warned for more than a decade of a plan by Mexicans to "invade" and "conquer" the Southwestern U.S. Spencer claims to have proven his conspiracy theory that the Mexican government is "sponsoring the invasion of the United States with hostile intent." Sales of Spencer's documentary and video series, "Bonds of our Union," along with appeals to a mailing list of 26,000 people, help cover organizational costs. He also operates a Web site and hosts a weekly radio show. While Spencer claims that his group has never mounted border patrols, he admits that his group has "accompanied others" on patrol. Spencer is a friend and ally of Roger Barnett, a rancher from Cochise County, Arizona who has received considerable publicity for his armed confrontations with Mexican immigrants. Barnett maintains that he and his brother have caught more than 2,000 illegal immigrants on their 22,000-acre ranch in Douglas, Arizona.
  
  While Spencer tries to downplay his extremist message by claiming that he is not a racist, racist and anti-government extremist groups across the country have embraced his rhetoric; indeed, Spencer has personally appeared at events sponsored by white supremacists and racists.
  
  
  [*]Ranch Rescue
  
  Based in Arlington, Texas, Ranch Rescue was formed in June 2000 by Jack Foote and a small group of people inspired by news reports about Roger Barnett's activities. The group organizes armed "patrols" of the border on private property, over which they claim the government has no jurisdiction. Foote repeatedly has expressed the view that illegal immigration is not a social problem, but rather a phenomenon deliberately encouraged by the Mexican government to undermine the U.S. Ranch Rescue claims to have chapters in six states, including California, Illinois, New Mexico, Texas and Washington.
  
  In October 2002, Ranch Rescue organized "Operation Hawk," a "field mission" of armed volunteers to "patrol" the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona. The group has said as many as 100 members could participate in future missions. "We are coming to the border, and we are coming in increasing numbers," Foote has stated. More recently, on March 20, 2003, two Ranch Rescue volunteers were arrested for detaining a pair of Salvadorans, allegedly beating one with a pistol. The incident occurred during a patrol dubbed "Operation Falcon" on a ranch near Hebbronville, Texas. Two volunteers were charged with aggravated assault and unlawful restraint.
  
  Although Ranch Rescue describes itself as a "volunteer network" dedicated to "defending private property rights for all Americans, regardless of race, color, creed or religion," its activities enjoy wide support among extremist groups across the country. Foote has reached out to a variety of white supremacists, and his interview with the neo-Nazi National Alliance was recently posted on the Web site of Resistance Records, a hate-music distributorship run by the NA. Foote has promoted his organization on the shortwave radio program of Clay Douglas, the editor of the Free American, a New Mexico-based anti-government and anti-Semitic publication.
  
  
  [*]Civil Homeland Defense
  
  A newly formed militia group, Civil Homeland Defense supports armed "patrols" of the border. Headed by Chris Simcox, a former elementary school teacher, the organization is made up of local ranchers from Cochise County, who are encouraged to arm themselves for "patrol" operations. On January 5, 2003, about 10 volunteers joined Simcox along the Mexican border in one of its first "patrols." Another six people were on hand as observers. Some of those observers claimed to be members of American Border Patrol and Ranch Rescue. Simcox has blamed the federal government and U.S. Border Patrol for failing to "stop the flood of immigrants funneling through Cochise County," and has engaged in bizarre conspiracy theories, including the notion that the Mexican Army is using "Chinese troops" and weaponry.
  
  In mid-March 2003, Simcox led 34 volunteers with flashlight and night-vision devices to patrol Cochise County's border with Mexico, concluding, in Simcox's words, "its most productive - yet most terrifying - weekend to date." He claimed to have seized 43 illegal immigrants and turned them over to the Border Patrol and to have frightened off another 80. Since the beginning of the war with Iraq, Simcox claims his group has conducted daily patrols, seizing more than 200 migrants. Simcox is the publisher of a local newspaper, the Tombstone Tumbleweed, which often assumes a militant tone.

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