A Lounge of Two Tacits - Part 193

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DBZ is right up there with the Justice League. Hell, Piccolo's basically Batman
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
I would ditto that as well. Some of the more common "tropes" aren't all there with DBZ but it's definitely about super humanly powered people that wear colorful clothing (Seriously... The martial arts tradition in Japan doesn't have much in the way of hand to hand systems that wear any sort of gi except white ones, though I guess the traditional Samurai arts would be an exception. Still... No bright orange is gonna easily be found) that regularly save the planet from nefarious and nearly equally powerful antagonists.
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After having a quick look at that thread, someone said you can call a lot of these characters superheroes, but that is not what a lot of them will be recognised as or associated with. I would have to agree with that. I guess it all depends on what the company behind them wants them to be called. DBZ characters are not referred to as superheroes by fans, people on the show or the people behind the show (as far as I am aware), even though they share so much in common with superheroes (like Goku and Superman for example). But if DBZ characters were Marvel or DC based, they would definitely be called superheroes.

I guess you could say they could be considered superheroes, because it is such a broad term (there are so many different types of heroes in Marvel and DC), but they are not called that for whatever reason, by people in general or the people who made them. My guess, without having given it much thought before now or having done any research, is that the people behind most of these characters know that when people say superhero, most people think of DC and Marvel characters, and want their product to stand out, so do not refer to their characters as superheroes. I could be completely wrong, but that is the only reason I can think of ATM. Or maybe some people just don't like the term, so do not want their characters called that lol.
 
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Slade W said:
After having a quick look at that thread, someone said you can call a lot of these characters superheroes, but that is not what a lot of them will be recognised as or associated with. I would have to agree with that. I guess it all depends on what the company behind them wants them to be called. DBZ characters are not referred to as superheroes by fans, people on the show or the people behind the show (as far as I am aware), even though they share so much in common with superheroes (like Goku and Superman for example). But if DBZ characters were Marvel or DC based, they would definitely be called superheroes.

I guess you could say they could be considered superheroes, because it is such a broad term there are so many different types of heroes in Marvel and DC), but they are not called that for whatever reason, by people in general or the people who made them. My guess, without having given it much thought before now or having done any research, is that the people behind most of these characters know that when people say superhero, most people think of DC and Marvel characters, and so want their product to stand out, so do not refer to their characters as superheroes. I could be completely wrong, but that is the only reason I can think of ATM. Or maybe some people just don't like the term, so do not want their characters called that lol.
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I think that there are more than enough post (and even PRE) 1938 creations with no direct association with either Marvel or DC that could be considered super heroes. Let's also take into account that there are quite a few Marvel and DC characters that at their inception or as they evolved that don't check off all the boxes that we think of as musts for super hero. Even with the Marvel and DC characters it can be a nebulous thing.

That said, I have read plenty of material over the years that references all sorts of properties as super hero in nature. I also think it's some sort of high level pedantry to say that since James Bond checks a lot of the same boxes as say, Batman but isn't generally considered a super hero then this somehow equates to the Sentai or similar characters as also not being super heroes, when for sure a nice big chunk of those franchises and characters have way more in common and are far more similar in tone and execution to American Marvel and DC super heroes proper than Bond by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Roose Bolton said:
DBZ is right up there with the Justice League. Hell, Piccolo's basically Batman
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One of my favorite moments with the character is when in a fighting contest Goku beams him, he stares at the audience and laughs hysterically, does nothing but laugh, and spectators ran away terrified.
That happened before DBZ.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
I think that there are more than enough post (and even PRE) 1938 creations with no direct association with either Marvel or DC that could be considered super heroes. Let's also take into account that there are quite a few Marvel and DC characters that at their inception or as they evolved that don't check off all the boxes that we think of as musts for super hero. Even with the Marvel and DC characters it can be a nebulous thing.

That said, I have read plenty of material over the years that references all sorts of properties as super hero in nature. I also think it's some sort of high level pedantry to say that since James Bond checks a lot of the same boxes as say, Batman but isn't generally considered a super hero then this somehow equates to the Sentai or similar characters as also not being super heroes, when for sure a nice big chunk of those franchises and characters have way more in common and are far more similar in tone and execution to American Marvel and DC super heroes proper than Bond by any stretch of the imagination.
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This is an interesting discussion IMO. I just found an article from 2006 that says DC and Marvel have trademarked the term superhero (they did it in 1979). It says they did it because most people associate the term "Superhero" with them, and it says they were able to prove this, which is why they were granted it. It also says that comics other than DC and Marvel can refer to their characters as superheroes within the comic, but cannot have the term as part of their product name. Maybe that could have something to do with why a lot of characters are not referred to as superheroes, although I think it is just publications and other products, but not movies or TV-shows, so maybe not. It does back up the term "Superhero" being associated with those two though, so perhaps companies wanting their characters to stand out could be one of the reasons.
 
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Slade W said:
This is an interesting discussion IMO. I just found an article from 2006 that says DC and Marvel have trademarked the term superhero (they did it in 1979). It says they did it because most people associate the term "Superhero" with them, and it says they were able to prove this, which is why they were granted it. It also says that comics other than DC and Marvel can refer to their characters as superheroes within the comic, but cannot have the term as part of their product name. Maybe that could have something to do with why a lot of characters are not referred to as superheroes, although I think it is just publications and other products, but not movies or TV-shows, so maybe not. It does back up the term "Superhero" being associated with those two though, so perhaps companies wanting their characters to stand out could be one of the reasons.
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I think it's worthy of it's own thread as a discussion topic, for sure. Not as certain as to where such a thread would go?
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
I think it's worthy of it's own thread as a discussion topic, for sure. Not as certain as to where such a thread would go?
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I think it could be considered relevant here (the community forum), Misc Comics Films and maybe Misc Films.
 
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good morning 20 days till christmas
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Spider-Aziz said:
Baby Groot is a popular topic for avatar these days.

We might have one in the middle of the month.
Don't rush the artist in charge.
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Who is in charge? I haven't approved anyone yet. :huh:
 
Time for some Christmas movies:

Robocop
Big Trouble in Little China
T2
Both Conan movies
 
You failed already bro. No 'Die Hard' on that list.

And where be my bros from Cool Runnings?
 
Fallen Angel said:
You failed already bro. No 'Die Hard' on that list.

And where be my bros from Cool Runnings?
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Eh, Die Hard is just aight to me.

Also, I've been watching some old Pam Grier movies. There is no doubt in my mind that a young Pam Grier brings the age gap of old white men closer to my young black generation together. A bald man like C.Lee, I have no doubt his ass hnnngh over her back in the day. Thus, closing the gap of white america etc. Both cultures hnnnghhh over a young Pam Grier.
 
Black Narcissus said:
Eh, Die Hard is just aight to me.

Also, I've been watching some old Pam Grier movies. There is no doubt in my mind that a young Pam Grier brings the age gap of old white men closer to my young black generation together. A bald man like C.Lee, I have no doubt his ass hnnngh over her back in the day. Thus, closing the gap of white america etc. Both cultures hnnnghhh over a young Pam Grier.
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(1) I'm not bald....not even close.
(2) I love Pam.....have since the early 70's.
(3) Between the ages of 12 and 18 I lived in Orlando Florida.....and I loved going to see Black Exploitation movies....Pam Grier, oh yeah.....and there's nothing funnier than a 14 year old white boy telling the African American ticket teller - "I'll have one for THE LEGEND OF ****** CHARLIE please."
 
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