Comics A question to all of the Ben Reilly fans here

[ben_reilly_s_s]

They killed him because fans hated the Clone Saga as a whole & it needed to end decisively, with no threat of ever returning.

Well, because they rushed to end it, they gave us a loop-hole....
"Ben's" body turned to dust...
no other clone ever did that...

 

[November Rain]

i've always thought the one that was shown in revelations was a clone similar to the quick ones that the jackal quickly souped up earlier on in maximum clonage that wouldn't last very long and degenerate quickly

the real ben reilly is some personal dungeon of norman and he beats him up on a daily basis to take off some steam of not yet killing peter parker. Having his own personal spiderman punchbag has always been an idea i wanted them to persue, especially if they had actually brought harry back from the dead at that point and have him practice laying into ben.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, because they rushed to end it, they gave us a loop-hole....
"Ben's" body turned to dust...
no other clone ever did that...

Jack's did. So did Gwen. And how is dust a loophole? As bad as most resurrection stories are, they're made somewhat plausible when there's still a body to work with. You can't resurrect what's been disintegrated.
I think bringing Ben back would be a bad idea. It would take a terribly ill-conceived (and most likely poorly written) story to make it happen, & I don't think any good would come of it.
Doubt me? Just remember:

And now that I think about it, Peter & MJ's marriage played heavily into the events of the Clone Saga. Can we be certain any of it ever happened at this point?
Damn. I think I just gave them a loophole.

 

[Venom 1988]

I kinda agree about Jason Todd but you think Bucky was a bad resurrection?

 

[Venom 1988]

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[WOLVERINE25TH]

Ben Misspoke. It was established beforehand that only imperfect clones degenerated like that. Perfect ones, like Ben, died a normal way.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I kinda agree about Jason Todd but you think Bucky was a bad resurrection?

I think any time a character has been dead for 60+ years, bringing him back is a bad move.
And do we really have a point of reference on how a perfect clone's supposed to die? The only other clones we saw buy it were Kaine, Guardian, Jack & all the "quickie-clones", NONE of whom were perfect, & all of whose deaths were different. And as I recall, Jackal threw Kaine into some kind of regeneration chamber to save him, so who's to say if he would've ashed or not?
I don't see Ben coming back. Ever. Especially now. Behind all the backlash of every dumb move they've made with Spidey-playing with his origin, killing him, (twice) changing his powers, (twice) making him Iron Man's sidekick, that ghastly costume, revealing his identity to the world at large & then undoing all of those mistakes which the much bigger mistake that was One More Day-do you really think they would even consider compounding their failures by revisiting the storyline that was even more widely hated?

 

[so-tite]

I found that interview on IGN, too.
http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/952/952508p1.html



So what do we do to convince Joe Quesada?!?

Hmm, Very interesting. So, what do we do, lol?

I just thought I'd bump this.

 

[kguillou]

They're just toying with us, face it guys we're never getting ben back, Marvel's way too ashamed of the clone saga to even reference it anymore, bringing Ben back would just reopen old wounds for Marvel.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Jack's did. So did Gwen. And how is dust a loophole? As bad as most resurrection stories are, they're made somewhat plausible when there's still a body to work with. You can't resurrect what's been disintegrated.
I think bringing Ben back would be a bad idea. It would take a terribly ill-conceived (and most likely poorly written) story to make it happen, & I don't think any good would come of it.
Doubt me? Just remember:

And now that I think about it, Peter & MJ's marriage played heavily into the events of the Clone Saga. Can we be certain any of it ever happened at this point?
Damn. I think I just gave them a loophole.

A little o/t, but...

Harry's return and Jason's return were both especially stupid, but I actually thought Bucky's return was as well-handled and good a story as a resurrection story can possibly be (take that for what it's worth). Yeah, I know Bucky was a kind of a sacred cow, but I liked the Winter-Soldier saga and it kept me buying the book for a while to see how it would unfold. The cold-war roots and intrigue of it made for good reading.


As for Ben, well, I used to want him back, but I'm not sure what kind of role he would play. He was introduced to be the single Spidey, but now MJ's out of the picture. Plus to bring him back they would have to delve really deep into the obscure continuity of how he died in order to explain how he comes back, and also his very convoluted existence. Being adverse to heavy continuity these days, I don't see Marvel doing that. I think a limited series of untold stories ala Gage's X-Men/Spidey issue is more likely and sensible.

 

[Chris Wallace]

We don't need two Spider-Men. Period. We need the one we knew & loved back.

 

[November Rain]

I thought peter parker's struggle with parenthood and ben's struggle with...everything were nice contrasts to the characters that when done in a mutually exclusive manner can end up providing a larger pool of story.

Both of which show an evolution of the character into a mature adult without upsetting anyone.

it's a shame when it finished, it's real shock events that shake things on their head that generally get me re-excited about comics

 

[Chris Wallace]

I liked Ben for what he was, but we didn't need two Spider-Men then & we definitely don't need him now.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I liked Ben for what he was, but we didn't need two Spider-Men then & we definitely don't need him now.

I agree. We don't need two Spider-Men. We need one Spider-Man and one Scarlet Spider. Heck, we got one Iron-Man and one War Machine.

 

[Chris Wallace]

War Machine is still another Iron Man. And he doesn't have the same face, personality or DNA. Ben Reilly is just another Peter Parker, hence the Scarlet Spider is another Spider-Man. Spider-Man doesn't need a sidekick, substitute or whatever you wanna call it either. Leave that stuff for Batman & Cap.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

War Machine is still another Iron Man. And he doesn't have the same face, personality or DNA. Ben Reilly is just another Peter Parker, hence the Scarlet Spider is another Spider-Man. Spider-Man doesn't need a sidekick, substitute or whatever you wanna call it either. Leave that stuff for Batman & Cap.

I respectfully disagree. Ben ain't some boy sidekick, but a peer like Daredevil or Human Torch. He also may share the same DNA but his experiences have made him a very different person which is what made his interactions with Peter so interesting. I like how the clone saga examined the nature vs nurture debate, even if it didn't set out to do that originally. I think that's why alot of people like Ben.

Having said that, do I think he should come back in current continuity? I don't really see where he would fit post-OMD. I think when Pete was still with MJ there was a place for him, but not really now with Pete single, de-aged a bit and Harry filling the friend-role again. But I would like to see more untold tales with him. He has incredible story potential and character depth that can still be mined.

Even moreso, I think Kaine should come back. He IS alive and he is a great evil twin to Peter (much moreso than Venom imo).

 

[Chris Wallace]

Don't misunderstand me. I loved Ben. I just feel that in current continuity he would be an ill fit & and up being a sidekick. (He is, after all, only 5 years old.)

Wait a minute! The Clone Saga never happened! Ben Reilly never existed! Remember, Norman engineered the hwole thing to wreck Peter's life, & Norman never knew Peter was Spider-Man!

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

No. Norman knew. As in past tense. That stuff still happened, but now everyone has forgotten due to some mystical mind-wipe or whatever occurred between OMD and BND. Yeah it's dumb, but that's Brand New Day for ya...

 

[Chris Wallace]

I know. Just pointing out the stupidity of BND. "He took off his mask & said his name, but I don't remember what name I heard or what face I saw. And I can't just pull it up on YouTube or something..."

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I know. Just pointing out the stupidity of BND. "He took off his mask & said his name, but I don't remember what name I heard or what face I saw. And I can't just pull it up on YouTube or something..."

Viacom(tm) probably pulled it. They pull everything else on YouTube!

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Ok, I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!
Here's how it works:
Ben was originally introduced as the "younger, cooler, SINGLE" Spider-Person.
well, now that Peter is single, bring Ben back as the:
"wiser, cooler, smarter, MARRIED Spider-Person!!!!!

 

[SpideyInATree]

They could always have The Sentry punch the walls of the space/time continuum and that would cause all the dead people in the Marvel Universe to suddenly be alive again.

They could have totally brought Ben Reilly back during the Skrull Invasion storyline. They totally dropped the ball on that one. Heh.

 

[so-tite]

They're just toying with us, face it guys we're never getting ben back, Marvel's way too ashamed of the clone saga to even reference it anymore, bringing Ben back would just reopen old wounds for Marvel.

They'll listen to demand.

If X-Men/Spider-Man #3 sells enough, they might be inclined to do more with the character. Though, the thing is that X/S #3 HAS to sell more than the other issues in the series.

More readers need to pick up book.

 

[AlteredEgo]

didnt this issue come out a while ago?

 

[Venom 1988]

didnt this issue come out a while ago?

Like 3 weeks ago