ABC's Once Upon a Time - Part 4

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the out of left field macguffin introduced this episode will have a connection to TWWoTW. In fact, I am thinking it was her's.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I've missed one or two episodes towards the middle of the season so far, so could somebody explain to the circumstances under pans death? How exactly does rumple NEED to die for pan to die? Like in what way were their life forces connected like that?

 

[marvelrobbins]

well we know who Rebecca Mader Is playing.

This seems like a cross between Lost's ocean 6 having to return to island and
season 6.

So I wonder how back In enchanted forest how much the fairy tale characters
remember.

And from preview

Spoiler

Rumple will return in some form

 

[Primal Slayer]

I've missed one or two episodes towards the middle of the season so far, so could somebody explain to the circumstances under pans death? How exactly does rumple NEED to die for pan to die? Like in what way were their life forces connected like that?

I don't remember either but I am thinking because they are father/son?

But Neal shouldve been able to escape the curse with Emma/Henry since he wasnt in FTL when the curse was cast and had nothing to do with the curse at all. In fact Hook/Tink shouldve been able to as well.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

No! Not [BLACKOUT]Rumple[/BLACKOUT]! My favorite character!

This looked like how they could have done a series finale.

Ha, Hook comes in at the end like Doc Brown! t:

Guess we saw who LOST's Charlotte is playing.

Speaking of LOST, he, he, 8:15! t:

 

[Milos]

And from preview

Spoiler

Rumple will return in some form

How did you get that, because that clip of him in the promo was from ''The new Newerland''.
Robin Hood was also in Strorybrooke in the new promo, cant wait for that!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the whole think with Rumple and Pan was about the Seer Rumple met. "A boy shall be your undoing."

 

[Milos]

I've missed one or two episodes towards the middle of the season so far, so could somebody explain to the circumstances under pans death? How exactly does rumple NEED to die for pan to die? Like in what way were their life forces connected like that?

Rumpel's shadow entered Pan, that's how he killed him with the dagger and himself in the proces!

 

[Specter313]

I don't remember either but I am thinking because they are father/son?

But Neal shouldve been able to escape the curse with Emma/Henry since he wasnt in FTL when the curse was cast and had nothing to do with the curse at all. In fact Hook/Tink shouldve been able to as well.

It's not because the curse was cast on them in the first place, but the new curse was putting everything back to where it originally came from, and Tink, Neal, and Hook aren't originally from our world. And Storybrooke was obliterated completely because it's not originally from here or anywhere at all.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Yea it was putting everything back to where they originally came, but the curse wouldnt have recognized them being gone if they had stepped over the line.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's going to be intresting to see what the new status quo Is for the characters besides
Emma and Henry.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I wonder what she wants or why she is in FTL as opposed to Oz.

Im 99% sure the wicked witch is the black fairy who was banished. Wouldn't be shocked if blu is also glinda as well

 

[Primal Slayer]

Im 99% sure the wicked witch is the black fairy who was banished. Wouldn't be shocked if blu is also glinda as well

I hope Blue isnt Glinda. And what exactly did they say about the black fairy? I feel like I wasnt fully listening to that part. But the black fairy should be Maleficent technically. But this is ONCE afterall.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I hope Blue isnt Glinda. And what exactly did they say about the black fairy? I feel like I wasnt fully listening to that part. But the black fairy should be Maleficent technically. But this is ONCE afterall.

Yeah mal "should" be the black fairy but she obviously wasn't banished. I do think the witches of oz (if there indeed is more then West, that is) they probably will end up being wand wielding faries...

Glinda pretty much looks like one anyway

 

[Specter313]

I hope Blue isnt Glinda. And what exactly did they say about the black fairy? I feel like I wasnt fully listening to that part. But the black fairy should be Maleficent technically. But this is ONCE afterall.

The Black Fairy was a fairy who dealt in dark magic. Blue apparently banished her and kept her wand, which they needed to switch Pan and Henry back.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, I can totally see [BLACKOUT]The Wicked Witch being the Black Fairy. As soon as the promo came at the end I thought "That black wand came out of nowhere, and they talked up this Black Fairy... I wonder if..."[/BLACKOUT] so I am right there with you who think that.

I am also thinking and hoping that [BLACKOUT]Maleficent was also a former good fairy. She's just not the Black Fairy. Here's my twist on it all: The Wicked Witch and Maleficent are sisters. And before people start raising hell about that not being the Baum canon... This show has been doing it's own thing with these characters to suit it's own purposes from the start. It may be time to get over it people. Just saying. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Primal Slayer]

I can get over it if it is done good. If it Pan 2.0 basically erasing everything....thats a whole nother story.

 

[Specter313]

I am gonna miss Robbie Kay, though. He was so good as Pan and just resonated so much menace even though he looked so much younger than pretty much everyone else, he showed that there could be other villains done well on this show.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah, I can totally see [BLACKOUT]The Wicked Witch being the Black Fairy. As soon as the promo came at the end I thought "That black wand came out of nowhere, and they talked up this Black Fairy... I wonder if..."[/BLACKOUT] so I am right there with you who think that.

I am also thinking and hoping that [BLACKOUT]Maleficent was also a former good fairy. She's just not the Black Fairy. Here's my twist on it all: The Wicked Witch and Maleficent are sisters. And before people start raising hell about that not being the Baum canon... This show has been doing it's own thing with these characters to suit it's own purposes from the start. It may be time to get over it people. Just saying. [/BLACKOUT]

O!! What if West is indeed sisters with Mal, and that's why mal ends up having beef with Regina and company. Regina practically killed her (ish). But yeah... I bet west wants her wand back

 

[Swordmaster]

Spoiler

Watching the promo, the scene with Doctor Whale in the hospital has both Hook and Robin Hood following him. I am excited.

 

[SCC]

So does this mean that Greg is back alive now?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So does this mean that Greg is back alive now?

He's hopefully forever stuck new in a very very empty neverland and NEVER returns... Greg and Tamara were the weakest links of the entire story.

 

[Specter313]

So does this mean that Greg is back alive now?

Doubt it. Blue hadn't been gone that long, so that probably is part of the reason she's still around. He was dead for several days so he probably started to rot. Plus, even if he was back, he'd be stuck on Neverland with no way off. Add on to the fact that him and Tamara were numero uno on everyone's most hated list, the writers probably won't touch them anymore.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Greg and Tamara would have been easy fixes if they actually connected them to something and made sense especially of tamara's hatred of magic. I understand greg's... But tamaras was a bit odd.

Couple that with the fact it would have been nice to see how exactly pan found them and how tamara and Greg blindly fell for his scheme

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Greg and Tamara did bring in something that they never got back to. The fact that there were other magical beings already in our world. The HOME OFFICE being Pan also still doe not totally wash with me. Was Pan coming back and forth between worlds and organizing Greg and Tamara and who knows who else? If it was just Pan, then at least we could get Robbie back for flashbacks. If Pan had set up some kind of organization, then that's a different story.

Can I also just state that the only big disappointment I had was the origin of the book. It's just too pat for me. And it still doesn't explain why the FTL and other worlds actual history should end up as myth, folk tale and fiction in our world. But... I'm over caring too much now.