ABC's Once Upon a Time - Part 7

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They really did cast them two perfectly. Loved seeing the coronation costume again.


Cruella's dig at rumple was great. I think she's gonna be fab. Intrigued about what powers she has.
 
As for the ratings, lets not forget that last weeks is really what most would have said ended the arch. This episode was ultimately an epilogue. Couple that with the fact its almost christmas and people are getting busy... its a no brainer that it had low live ratings
 
The Once Upon a Time powers that be won't be going by the storybook this time.

On the midseason finale on Sunday, Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle) was forced by his wife Belle (Emilie de Ravin) to step over Storybrooke's town line and thus into our magic-free world. Naturally, he's already devised a plan to get his previous life back, but it required allying with his former enemies, the Queens of Darkness: Maleficent, Ursula and Cruella de Vil (Kristin Bauer van Straten, Merrin Dungey, Victoria Smurfit).

Although fans have already been introduced to Maleficent, series showrunners Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis tell TVGuide.com about their unique interpretations of Ursula and Cruella for the series. "We wanted a formidable group," Kitsis says. "In the first half of the season when we did Frozen, we were very faithful to the characters... but in the second half of the season, Maleficent is based on our mythology, and that is the same with Ursula and Cruella.

"We're going to find out how Ursula became Ursula," he continues. "We're going to see that she had a surprising cross with somebody from our world. And we're going to be meeting a different Cruella than we would remember from the 19[60]s movie. ... Perhaps Cruella herself has magic or powers."

A magical Cruella? That would explain why Maleficent and Ursula would bother teaming up with her. In One Hundred and One Dalmatians, the Disney animated film based on the 1956 novel by Dodie Smith, Cruella de Vil was a woman who wanted to make a fur coat from the skins of pet dalmatians, but by no means had any special powers. It's possible that the show's Cruella will have a power related to canines. As fans saw on Sunday, Belle was following a cute dalmatian puppy just before she got captured by the Queens. "There are more dogs to come," Kitsis promised.

Check out what else is coming in the second half of the season:

Now that Rumple also wants his happy ending, the race to find The Author is on. How much will we delve into the process of how the storybooks are made?
Adam Horowitz: I think the entire mythology behind the storybook and any other storybooks and The Author and all that will be something that we intend to explore quite in depth in the second half of the season. We intend to reveal the identity of The Author and what that means for all of our people.

With Emma (Jennifer Morrison) in on Operation Mongoose, are she and Regina (Lana Parrilla) now a match for Rumple and the Queens of Darkness?
Horowitz: That's going to be a really interesting task. With Emma now joining forces with Regina to help her, they're a formidable duo, but they've got a new problem coming to town that is more than they could possibly anticipate. We'll just have to see how that plays out.

We know that Regina has history with Maleficent. Will we find other Storybrooke characters have history with the other Queens of Darkness?
Horowitz: Yes, and first of all, early on we intend to show a flashback episode how the Evil Queen met Maleficent.
Edward Kitsis: You're going to learn that a few of our characters have surprising backstories with the Queens of Darkness.

Will we get flashbacks for those too?
Kitsis: Yes, we're going to get to go back to that time from Season 1, pre-Curse, where Snow and Charming have just taken back the kingdom and have been married. Although we're bringing in three new villains, we're going to be telling stories about our core characters and we're going to be focusing on them and their journey and their problems in the second half.

As with Rumple and Regina, we've seen that villains are not entirely bad. Will we find some humanity in the Queens?
Horowitz: As we've said from early on in the series, "Evil isn't born; it's made." I think we'll find that that applies to these new women as well. Hopefully the audience will discover that there is quite a bit of depth to each one of them and reasons for why they're doing what they're doing beyond just pure evilness. Which is not to say that there isn't a large dollop of delicious evilness.
Kitsis: Yeah, you can't have the Queens of Darkness and not have some evilness.

Is Rumple comfortable in our world?
Kitsis: He is not comfortable going somewhere without his magic. We're going to see a much more humbled Rumplestiltskin in the real world. He thought he could have everything, and he ended up with nothing. So now we're going to see a Rumple who wants to get it all back. He realizes that what Regina said to him -- "Villains don't get happy endings" -- maybe there's some truth to that. He never wanted to get rid of Belle, and we saw that he was willing to save Henry, but what he did want was freedom from the dagger... as he has that dagger, he can always be somebody's slave. So he made a mistake and he should have told Belle what he was doing. So his methods tend to be wrong, which ends up in him losing everything.

Because Belle used the dagger to compel him, have his feelings changed towards her?
Horowitz: He had a chance to be free and once again he let that consume him. With Rumple, he chooses power over love. What I really think is that it's fear over love. He was frightened to come to a land without magic so he let his son go, and he was frightened to be enslaved by that dagger again so he tried to free himself.

There was that heartbreaking scene where he steps over the town line and tells Belle, "I'm afraid!"
Horowitz: That's exactly right. He was frightened to go into a land without magic because he doesn't want to go back to the coward that he was.
Kitsis: What we love so much about Rumple is that he's such a complicated character, and he has so many faults. It's fun because the audience likes to forget those faults, and when we remind them of them, they hate it. But he warned us in Season 1 that he was a difficult man to love.

Belle is heartbroken. What's next for her?
Horowitz: One of the things we loved about [the midseason finale] was that she finally got to stand up for herself. Belle is going to realize that she started out as someone who wanted to be a hero and save the world. She met Rumple, and then she was immediately married. So I think Belle has a lot of exploration as an individual to do first.

Regina is heartbroken too, but only as the result of giving up her true love and actually doing a good deed. How will that fall out for her?
Kitsis: We saw some hope for her at the end of the episode when this year's finale ended with the heroes joining Operation Mongoose. Everybody's involved with trying to get Regina her happy ending. Emma made a vow to her. So I'm thinking that Regina is staying on the straight and narrow path. I hope for good things for her.

Will we see any of what happens to Robin Hood, Marian (Sean Maguire, Christie Laing) and their son in our world?
Horowitz: Absolutely. Their story is not over.

Why did you decide not to show Anna and Kristoff's (Elizabeth Lail, Scott Michael Foster) wedding?
Kitsis: What we loved about Frozen was it was about the sisters. What was inspiring to us was telling a story about two sisters. We wanted to begin and end with the two sisters. It was never about the wedding for us as writers; it was about their relationship. So we didn't feel that was necessary or as interesting as the two of them clasping hands and going into [the wedding].

What did you think of the winter finale? Are you excited about Team Operation Mongoose taking on Rumple and the Queens of Darkness?

Once Upon a Time returns for the second half of its season in March on ABC.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Scoop-Cruella-1090932.aspx
 
" but in the second half of the season, Maleficent is based on our mythology, and that is the same with Ursula and Cruella."

Thank God.
 
Although fans have already been introduced to Maleficent, series showrunners Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis tell TVGuide.com about their unique interpretations of Ursula and Cruella for the series. "We wanted a formidable group," Kitsis says. "In the first half of the season when we did Frozen, we were very faithful to the characters... but in the second half of the season, Maleficent is based on our mythology, and that is the same with Ursula and Cruella.

"We're going to find out how Ursula became Ursula," he continues. "We're going to see that she had a surprising cross with somebody from our world. And we're going to be meeting a different Cruella than we would remember from the 19[60]s movie. ... Perhaps Cruella herself has magic or powers."

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I admit I am a tad confused. Perhaps I missed something.

Rumples plan (as I understood it) was to sever the bond between himself and the dagger, so it could not be used to control him any longer.

He was then going to take Belle and leave SB.

Now here is where I am confused, as magic does not exist outside of SB and Rumple would never get rid of his own power I do not see how this plan of his would have worked.
 
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The thing that has always been constant with Rumple is that his motives, by and large, have been pure, even if the methods by which he's looked to achieve those motives haven't been (pure). He's referred to as a villain, but has never been portrayed as one.
 
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Rumple as Belle stated, is only motivated by greed, greed for power, yes he loves Belles and wanted to change but he is utterly selfish. He thinks he did/does all those evil things for good reason(s) but he's not for the true reason is to self serve him.
How is used Hook is text book villain stuff.
 
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This season wont be the last but they should start talking to ABC about ending the show. Everyone is connected to Rumple/Regina, they all encounter the Charmings, come to Storybrooke to get revenge on one of the three, they are all misunderstood....

But this is not going to run as long as Adam and Eddy want it to run, it is a little bit pricey and those live ratings still matter very much. But the show isn't doing THAT bad when compared to anything that isnt Modern Family.

And Frozen was a gimmick even if they managed to work it in. Frozen wold not have been introduced this fast if it werent as huge of a success as it was. But Frozen did its job and brought good ratings for the most part.

Exactly, everyone knows (well, almost) that if Frozen would've been a flop, then the producers would've never used those characters in the show, to pretend otherwise is just naive. They have lost millions of viewers because the show is not that good anymore, people get tired of the same silliness of everyone being related, plot holes, etc. I'm still entertained, but I'm not going to pretend is among the best series because it is not.
 
Ratings hit a new series low: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...st-fascinating-people-falls-from-2013/339500/

I think they should make either this season or next the last one, they have enough for syndication anyway. The Frozen gimmick didn't work and those ratings are bad for a winter finale, the whole thing ended up backfiring on them. Hopefully, they won't make the same mistake again.

You really need to look around more and not just go off of something like that which only focuses on whether or not something is a "low". And guess again, bringing in Frozen worked:

Season-to-date, Once is up 6 and 13 percent, ABC notes.
http://tvline.com/2014/12/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-winter-finale-ratings/

As others said, last weeks felt more like a finale, and this was the epilogue, coupled with the holidays being around the corner, most things don't rise by much and often fall, especially against football.
 
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Exactly, everyone knows (well, almost) that if Frozen would've been a flop, then the producers would've never used those characters in the show, to pretend otherwise is just naive. They have lost millions of viewers because the show is not that good anymore, people get tired of the same silliness of everyone being related, plot holes, etc. I'm still entertained, but I'm not going to pretend is among the best series because it is not.

No, it's taking the producers at their word.
 
"millions" of viewers? ain't that a wwwweee bit of an exaggeration?

What, too hard to google or something? :o

Season 4:

401: 9.47 million viewers
402: 8.78
403: 7.92
404: 8.07
405: 6.87
406: 7.54
407: 7.42
408 & 409 (2-hour special): 6.80
410: 6.43
411: 6.20
412: 5.69


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Once_Upon_a_Time_episodes

The Frozen push didn't last long, they went back to normal and then lower by the end of the first half of the season.
 
Lol compare that to season 3... of course the season was going to start off ridiculously big because of the frozen push.

Lets not pretend 9 mil is normal for this show
 
Are the fairies that got sucked into the hat on Once Upon a Time really gone, or is the show going to delve more into the hat’s powers through the rest of the season? –Kip
I for some reason assumed that Blue & Co. had been quietly released during all the winter finale drama, but I was, well, wrong. “They’re still stuck in the hat,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz assured me. “And that issue is dealt with early on in [Season] 4B,” premiering March 1.

http://tvline.com/2014/12/17/arrow-season-3-spoilers-sara-canary-returns/
 
Lol compare that to season 3... of course the season was going to start off ridiculously big because of the frozen push.

Lets not pretend 9 mil is normal for this show

Not to mention that it isn't about viewers anymore, it's about the demo, and the show's demo numbers this season have been higher than what they were a year ago. This midseason finale seems to be the only one that fell short of that, but I'm not sure why. It can't have been a Frozen thing, since their story wasn't over yet and you would think the audience would want to see the end of that arc. The show had a different lead-in that did poorly, but I don't think America's Funniest Home Videos has ever played any role in this show's success anyway. I can only guess that some people saw that the mid season finales for both Revenge and Resurrection were last week and just assumed it was the same for OUAT.
 
That's exciting. Always thought he should've become a main character.
 
I kind of wonder if that was a decision on the writers' part or Bailey's. It's not like with Red where they had been gradually finding less and less for her to do and ended up letting Ory go for her own benefit. August was pretty much at the forefront until the end of the first season.
 
Not to mention that it isn't about viewers anymore, it's about the demo, and the show's demo numbers this season have been higher than what they were a year ago. This midseason finale seems to be the only one that fell short of that, but I'm not sure why. It can't have been a Frozen thing, since their story wasn't over yet and you would think the audience would want to see the end of that arc. The show had a different lead-in that did poorly, but I don't think America's Funniest Home Videos has ever played any role in this show's success anyway. I can only guess that some people saw that the mid season finales for both Revenge and Resurrection were last week and just assumed it was the same for OUAT.

well that and it's close to christmas and people are just simply busy
 
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