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Another Cop Fatally Shoots a Teen in St. Louis

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An off-duty city officer shot and killed an 18-year-old Wednesday night in St. Louis, Mo., after the teen allegedly opened fire on the officer, police said. According to a witness in the report with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the officer then shot the teen 16 times.

The report says that the officer was not in uniform and that he was "working a secondary job for a private security company" when he stopped to engage with four pedestrians around 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday night near Klemm Street and Shaw Boulevard in St. Louis. The four men fled and the officer attempted to chase them down.

Via the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, according to Assistant Chief Alfred Adkins:

The man the officer was chasing jumped from some bushes and struggled with the officer, Adkins said. The man then pulled a gun and fired at the officer, Adkins said. The officer returned fire and fatally shot the man.

The officer was not injured, and a gun was recovered from the scene, police said.

The officer, 32, is a six-year veteran of the police department, Adkins said.


Relatives of the shooting victim, eighteen-year-old Vonderrick Myers Jr., claim that the victim was unarmed. A cousin of Myers claims that he was merely carrying a sandwich when he was gunned down. Protests have already begun in the Shaw neighborhood of St. Louis.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_2d5a8c2a-97db-5cec-a477-1130d7d26f7e.html

That is the story that was being discussed above
 
16 times... so the cop had to reload at least once to keep shooting unless he had a Hollywood gun with infinite ammo.
 
16 times... so the cop had to reload at least once to keep shooting unless he had a Hollywood gun with infinite ammo.

Not necessarily. Standard issue for most cops nowadays is a Glock 19 (and a 22), which has more than 16 rounds.

Police in America are apparently trained to just shoot until they run out or whatever they're shooting at is dead.
 
Just how many rounds do they need? I thought they still had "small" clips of 12 rounds still.
 
Black Teens Are 21 Times More Likely to Be Killed by Cops Than Whites

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The national data on police shootings is shamefully spotty, but using the numbers that are available, ProPublica put together a detailed demographic analysis of the victims. The conclusions are both horrible and totally unsurprising.

According to ProPublica's data, in the 1,217 fatal police shootings that were reported to the FBI between 2010 and 2012—reporting is optional; that's why the numbers are so incomplete—black people aged 15 to 19 were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, compared to 1.47 per million for their white counterparts. That's 21 times more often.

But the data is incomplete, you might argue, so there's no way to tell how accurate that analysis is. And you'd be right. However, David Klinger, a University of Missouri-St. Louis professor interviewed by ProPublica, said he doubts that "measurement error would account for" the enormous disparity.

There are other striking statistics: of the 15 reported people who were killed by officers while fleeing arrest in that two year period, for instance, 14 were black.

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

That is alarming and very disturbing.
 
16 times... so the cop had to reload at least once to keep shooting unless he had a Hollywood gun with infinite ammo.

Absolutely not true.

Not necessarily. Standard issue for most cops nowadays is a Glock 19 (and a 22), which has more than 16 rounds.

Police in America are apparently trained to just shoot until they run out or whatever they're shooting at is dead.

Glock 19 (9mm) standard magazine holds 15 rounds. Include 1 in the chamber and that's 16 total, before a reload, if he runs it empty. This is, of course, assuming that he carries a Glock 19. That said, there are plenty of commonly issued firearms with this level of capacity or more (Glock 17 actually holds 2 more rounds).

Glock 22 (.40 caliber) holds the same amount as the Glock 19.

And no, police in America are trained to shoot until they stop the threat.

Just how many rounds do they need? I thought they still had "small" clips of 12 rounds still.

How many do they "need?" I would argue that they need as many as they can carry.
 
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Absolutely not true.



Glock 19 (9mm) standard magazine holds 15 rounds. Include 1 in the chamber and that's 16 total, before a reload, if he runs it empty.

Glock 22 (.40 caliber) holds the same amount as the Glock 19.

And no, police in America are trained to shoot until they stop the threat.



How many do they "need?" I would argue that they need as many as they can carry.

You are fighting a losing battle, Mrv
 
You are fighting a losing battle, Mrv

I am assuming that you are referring to my last comment regarding how much ammo an officer needs. The thing is, an officer can never dictate what type of call they will be answering or how that call can take a turn for the worse and become the fight of their life.
Keep in mind, I also firmly believe that officers truly need as much training for any possible scenario as they can possibly get as well.
It's about preparedness, not anything else.
 
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Absolutely not true.


Glock 19 (9mm) standard magazine holds 15 rounds. Include 1 in the chamber and that's 16 total, before a reload, if he runs it empty. This is, of course, assuming that he carries a Glock 19. That said, there are plenty of commonly issued firearms with this level of capacity or more (Glock 17 actually holds 2 more rounds).

Glock 22 (.40 caliber) holds the same amount as the Glock 19.

And no, police in America are trained to shoot until they stop the threat.

How many do they "need?" I would argue that they need as many as they can carry.
There are a lot of people to shoot I guess. That is the way cops seemingly operate now. Shoot then claim it was defense even if they are armed with a sandwich. 16 shots to stop a kid with a sandwich is definitely a threat we're all glad cops are saving us from.

But defend this anyways. There is absolutely no reason not to shoot someone 16 times.
 
There are a lot of people to shoot I guess. That is the way cops seemingly operate now. Shoot then claim it was defense even if they are armed with a sandwich. 16 shots to stop a kid with a sandwich is definitely a threat we're all glad cops are saving us from.

But defend this anyways. There is absolutely no reason not to shoot someone 16 times.

Please re-read what I wrote. Did I even mention this shooting? No, not at all. I responded about magazine capacity (which several in this thread were fairly ignorant about) and my opinion on how much ammunition police officers "need."

The first part of my post is simple facts about magazine capacity in standard issued firearms.
The second part (and follow up post) was my opinion about officers being prepared and having plenty of ammunition is part of that preparation.

Never did I defend this recent shooting in any way as I have not read enough about it to comment. Get off your high horse, I'm really tired of this sort of judgmental attitude when I have not even posted about the situation you are referencing.
Yes, this discussion stemmed from the articles and comments posted about that situation, but CLEARLY some of those posting in this thread don't know enough about guns, ammunition, magazine capacity, police policy, and are making ignorant comments. My post should have been viewed as educational for some folks.
 
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All of which ties into why does an officer need to unload his gun, all 16 rounds, into a percieved threat of the deadly sandwich weapon. Was the bread overly dry and crusty? Did he have too much spicy sauce? Was it bitten into the shape of a throwing star or a gun? Deadly sandwiches are no laughing matter.

Deflection is convienent when you're trying to avoid obviously defending someone's killing an unarmed man because he's maybe, possibly a suspect.
 
All of which ties into why does an officer need to unload his gun, all 16 rounds, into a percieved threat of the deadly sandwich weapon. Was the bread overly dry and crusty? Did he have too much spicy sauce? Was it bitten into the shape of a throwing star or a gun? Deadly sandwiches are no laughing matter.

Deflection is convienent when you're trying to avoid obviously defending someone's killing an unarmed man because he's maybe, possibly a suspect.

And apparently facts are inconvenient when you want to take a stance based on ignorance about firearms and what the media reports initially (before investigations can be completed or lab reports done, and so on).

With that said, there is more and more evidence that this person, Myers DID fire a gun (not simply hold a sandwich as you and Myers family suggested) at the officer before the officer shot and killed him.

One example-gunshot residue test:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/15/tests-show-gunpowder-residue-on-teen-shot-by-off-duty-st-louis-cop/

I am still not making an opinion on this, because I believe that anyone needs as many facts as possible before forming a strong opinion. With that said, if Myers did shoot at the officer, which this evidence strongly supports, then I have NO issue with the officer shooting as many times as possible to stop Myers.
 
http://youtu.be/2GBOacb9PJY

NYPD Arrests Man for playing guitar in Subway after Officer reciets the Law word for word that allows the man to perform in the subway.

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And apparently facts are inconvenient when you want to take a stance based on ignorance about firearms and what the media reports initially (before investigations can be completed or lab reports done, and so on).

With that said, there is more and more evidence that this person, Myers DID fire a gun (not simply hold a sandwich as you and Myers family suggested) at the officer before the officer shot and killed him.

One example-gunshot residue test:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/15/tests-show-gunpowder-residue-on-teen-shot-by-off-duty-st-louis-cop/

I am still not making an opinion on this, because I believe that anyone needs as many facts as possible before forming a strong opinion. With that said, if Myers did shoot at the officer, which this evidence strongly supports, then I have NO issue with the officer shooting as many times as possible to stop Myers.

Yeah I also read several updates and articles stating Myers did have a gun, gun shot residue on his fingers, spent shell casings recovered on the scene from the gun he fired.....

Also, thanks for educating the uninformed about magazine capacity.

Yes, my glock 22 carries 1 in the chamber and 15 round magazine. My S&W .40 also has the same.... 16 total rounds.
 
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Iran Hangs Woman For Stabbing Her Alleged Rapist

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Despite international calls for reprieve, Iran has hanged a woman for the murder of a man human rights groups say sexually assaulted her. According to Reuters, 26-year-old Reyhaneh Jabbari was executed Saturday morning for the the 2007 killing of a Morteza Abdolali Sarbandi, concluding what Amnesty International called "a deeply flawed investigation and trial."

As might be expected, many details surrounding the case are unclear or disputed, but the account provided by the United Nation's Office for Human Rights paints a chilling picture:

According to reliable sources, Mr. Sarbandi offered to hire Ms. Jabbari on 7 July 2007 to redesign his office. Mr. Sarbandi arranged to take Ms. Jabbari to his office, but instead took her to a residence where he physically and sexually forced himself upon her. Ms. Jabbari reportedly stabbed Mr. Sarbandi in the shoulder in self-defense, fled for safety, and called for an ambulance out of concern for her alleged attacker.

When Sarbandi was later found dead, Amnesty International says Jabbari was arrested and held in solitary confinement for two months, confessing to the crime under what a U.N. official characterized as "duress possibly amounting to torture."

Earlier this month, Sarbandi's family was given 10 days to pardon Jabbari and halt her execution, an offer they refused. At that time, Justice Minister Mostafa Pour-Mohammadi expressed hope "for a good ending to the case."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/25/uk-iran-execution-idUKKCN0IE0BD20141025

Disgusting
 
Cops Use Action-Movie Arsenal to Catch Teen Who Stole Cigarettes

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You'd be hard pressed to find a more comic illustration of the out-of-control state of American law enforcement than the case of Shaquielle Olmeda, an 18-year-old Floridian who was arrested this week for snatching a pack of cigarettes from a man on the street.

Olmeda, the scourge, was apprehended after the Manatee County Sheriff's Office set up a perimeter, seemingly using every tool at their disposal. From the Bradenton Herald:

The 43-year-old victim was in a parking lot at 5137 14th St. W. in Bradenton at 9:11 a.m. when Shaquielle Olmeda ran by and snatched a pack of cigarettes out of the victim's hand, according to a release.

Olmeda took off running south and the victim called law enforcement. Deputies used patrol units, dogs and helicopters to set up a perimeter, and eventually found Olmeda in the east parking lot of Magic Mile Plaza, on the northwest corner of 14th Street West and 53rd Avenue West.

The victim positively identified Olmeda and the pack of cigarettes was located on his person, deputies said.


The cigarettes, according to the cops, were worth $4.

http://www.bradenton.com/2014/10/21/5427404_manatee-deputies-arrest-man-on.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1

How the **** was that a good use of my tax dollars?!
 
California Cop Accused of Stealing Nudes From Woman He Stopped for DUI

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Sean Harrington, a California Highway Patrol officer, is accused of having surreptitiously downloaded and forwarded nude photos from the phone of a woman he pulled over for a DUI stop.

According to court documents obtained by the Contra Costa Times, investigators have determined, using surveillance footage from the county jail the woman was taken to, that Harrington was in possession of the woman's phone when the photos—of the woman in a bikini and "in various states of undress"—were forwarded to his own.

Harrington, 35, and another officer pulled over the woman, who has not been identified, in the early morning hours of Aug. 29 for making an unsafe lane change. The woman failed a field sobriety test with a blood alcohol level of .29 percent, or more than three times the legal limit. At one point, Harrington allegedly asked for the woman's cell phone password and the woman complied, she told police investigating the case.

Investigators have determined that the photos were forwarded to Harrington's phone at 2:08 a.m. on Aug. 29, when he was in possession of the woman's phone: After being taken to a county jail in Martinez, Ca., the woman at one point asked for a number off her confiscated phone. Harrington, as corroborated by surveillance video in the jail, found the number in her phone, wrote it down on a piece of paper, and handed it to her.

The woman, 23, the Contra Costa Times reports, discovered that the photos had been sent to Harrington's phone because they were also synced to her iPad:

While a record of the forwarded photos was deleted from the woman's Apple iPhone, her iPad, which was synced to her phone via the iCloud service, revealed that the explicit photos in her "photos" app were forwarded to an unknown phone number in the 707 area code while she was in police custody. The woman researched the number and learned it belonged to her arresting officer, according to the court records.

"We've been investigating this for quite some time, the investigation is coming to a conclusion and we expect to make a charging decision this week," Contra Costa County Deputy District Attorney Barry Grove told the Contra Costa Times.

The woman's lawyer, however, has said Harrington might not be the only officer allegedly involved.

"We're confident that the Contra Costa District Attorney's Office is committed to determining the scope of this matter, but it's clear it's not isolated to one victim or one particular officer because we believe multiple search warrants have been served," Rick Madsen, the attorney representing the woman, told the Contra Costa Times. "As humiliating as this has been to my client, she came forward to prevent the same indignity from ever occurring again."

The San Francisco Chronicle reports that Harrington has been put on desk duty until the investigation has concluded. The woman's DUI charge will not be prosecuted because of Harrington's alleged behavior.

As the Contra Costa Times points out, the Supreme Court ruled this June that police cannot search a person's phone without a search warrant.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_26781240/nude-photos-woman-dui-chp-cop

What a pathetic excuse for a man and officer of the law
 
Lawsuits: Alabama prisoners died of gangrene, constipation

Choice quote from the Warden: "Constitutionally we're supposed to provide medical care. ... It doesn't say we have to pay for it." meaning they went with the cheapest, most unreliable and medically liable company they could get, allegedly. To the point at least three people have died as a result of their "care."

One prisoner died of alcohol withdrawal. Constipation killed another. A third succumbed to gangrene.

The deaths sound like they come from the logs of a Civil War POW encampment, but all three are alleged to have befallen detainees at the Madison County Jail in Huntsville, Alabama, while they were awaiting trial.

In 2013.

"What connects them all is that all of these people were in the medical-watch area, supposedly under the care of nurses," said Florence-based civil rights attorney Hank Sherrod, who in the past six weeks has filed federal lawsuits on behalf of the families of the alleged victims.

The suits target the county, jail and Advanced Correctional Healthcare Inc., the company paid to provide medical services to county inmates. The suits allege that the county and ACH reached a "deliberately indifferent" agreement to delay or deny care as a cost-saving measure.

With county consent, the suits allege, ACH "staffed the Madison County Jail inadequately, hired substandard medical personnel willing to put cost over inmate health and safety, denied inmates medications and delayed or denied medically necessary referrals to outside providers."

Both Madison County and ACH officials declined to be interviewed for this story because of the pending litigation. They instead provided CNN with brief statements.

"Advanced Correctional Healthcare is pleased to have the opportunity to deliver a high standard of health care for Madison County Jail patients while partnering with Madison County to address the need to provide quality healthcare within its budget. ACH will not try its cases in the (media)," read a statement from ACH spokesman JD Dalfonso.

Madison County Attorney Jeff Rich said in an email he had a longstanding policy of not commenting on lawsuits.

"Although the almost instantaneous and continual flow of information arguably calls for a more substantive response, I believe it remains wise to reserve comment and let the litigation process run its course," he wrote.

'They just watched him ... totally indifferent'

The allegations surrounding the August 2013 death of Deundrez Woods of Huntsville are the most disturbing.

Arrested in June 2013 on shoplifting and third-degree assault charges, the 19-year-old behaved normally for several weeks until "jail records show that by August 6, Woods was confused, hallucinating and unable to communicate with correction and medical personnel," according to one of the lawsuits. He was then moved to the jail's medical unit.

"They just watched him," Sherrod said. "They were happy to let him lie there ... totally indifferent to what was really going on."

Fifteen days later, he died of a blood clot originating in his gangrenous foot, the lawsuit states, further alleging he was treated as a problem prisoner rather than a man suffering from a life-threatening infection.

Woods was stunned with a Taser on August 6, 9 and 14, according to the lawsuit, and no one took his vital signs from August 7 to August 19.

On August 17, the odor emanating from his foot was so foul that guards "dragged Woods from his cell to the shower, sprayed him with water and then placed him, still naked, in a different cell," the suit states.

"Jail records affirmatively show Woods did not eat from August 14-19 and that as of August 12, Woods' water supply was cut off," the lawsuit states. "Jail records also show Woods was naked during this period."

According to the lawsuit, after August 14, no ACH nurse entered Woods' cell until August 19, the day he died.

The report that Woods wasn't eating left his mother incredulous. A high school football player and heavyweight wrestler, the young man would eat anything but beans, his mother said.

"He was a big boy. He liked to eat," said Tanyatta Woods, adding that when she needs her spirits lifted, she goes to the restaurant where she and Deundrez shared their last meal and he put down "$50 worth of Mexican food."

The night before her phone interview with CNN, Tanyatta Woods was up all night crying over Deundrez's death, she said. She couldn't sleep, and her other son had to comfort her.

She recalled for CNN on Monday how she saw Deundrez a few days before he died. He was brought into court August 15 in a wheelchair, she said.

She asked court and jail officials why he was in a wheelchair, and they cited patient privacy laws, she said. One official told her Deundrez was suffering from mental problems, but having a nursing and pharmaceutical license, she realized something else was wrong with her son, she said.

"I told them my son didn't have any mental problems," she said. "They couldn't explain to me why he was in a wheelchair."

He seemed confused and unresponsive, she said. His lips were discolored, he was having trouble seeing and he didn't seem to remember much, other than the name of his 2-year-old son, Jalen, his mother said.

"I begged them to take him to the hospital," she said. "They refused."

The next time she saw Deundrez was in the hospital August 19. He was on life support. She'd have him taken off two days later.

Other deaths in the same jail

Woods' case came about five months after Nikki Listau died and about two months before Tanisha Jefferson died, after serving time in the same jail.

Listau, 60, was arrested at her home and charged with harassing communications on March 10, 2013. She couldn't walk and had to be booked into the jail in a wheelchair, another lawsuit states.

The delirium tremens, or DTs, from her alcohol withdrawal was so severe that she suffered seizures and broke her left femur and fractured multiple ribs "as a result of falling off of her bunk while in a medical watch cell," according to the lawsuit.

When a guard found her naked on the cell floor, "rambling incoherently," her March 11 video court appearance was canceled.

Two hours later, Listau was found unresponsive in her cell, the lawsuit says. She was pronounced dead the following day.

"Despite her condition, Listau received no treatment; defendants just watched Listau deteriorate and eventually die," the lawsuit states.

Unlike Listau, Jefferson, 30, was apparently cognizant that something was wrong with her, according to the lawsuit filed by her mother.

Arrested on a harassment charge October 14, 2013, she began complaining of rectal and abdominal pain on October 19. She also told jail officials she was unable to have a bowel movement, a third lawsuit states.

On October 25, the mother of three filed a medical grievance saying she had been sick for at least 10 days, and in an October 28 request to see a doctor, Jefferson asserted she feared for her life and warned that jail and medical staff would be responsible "if something happened to her," the lawsuit states.

Sherrod elaborated, saying Jefferson wrote a note that read, "If I die, it's on y'all."

Jefferson saw a doctor the following day and was prescribed laxatives and sent back to her cell, where she told fellow inmates and jail staff she hadn't had a bowel movement in 13 days and "she thought she would explode, that she was so weak and in pain she could hardly walk," the lawsuit states.

"On October 30, 2013, Jefferson took another turn for the worse. She started sweating and started having difficulty breathing," according to the lawsuit, and ACH medical staff were told of Jefferson's condition, "yet did nothing."

She saw another nurse the next day and was sent back to her cell again, the lawsuit states.

That evening, at about 8:40 p.m., she passed out in her cell after "complaining of even more extreme abdominal pain," according to the lawsuit.

Even then, Jefferson was not sent to the hospital. Instead, she was taken by wheelchair to the medical department for observation. An ambulance was not called until Jefferson became nonresponsive around 9:09 p.m.

By that time, it was too late.

She died on Halloween "as a result of complications related to a bowel obstruction most likely caused by an extended period of constipation," the lawsuit says.

Lawsuits allege a money-saving motive

All three lawsuits allege that, in each case, the conditions were so severe that even a layperson would have realized they were life-threatening, but ACH ignored each inmate's symptoms to save money.

"ACH's business model, reflected in the agreement, succeeds by underbidding the competition and implementing severe cost control measures, the necessary result of which is unnecessary inmate suffering and liability claims (dealt with through liability insurance)," the suits say.

Even in the months after the three deaths, Sherrod noted, jail administrator Steve Morrison spoke at length of the financial burden of providing health care to inmates.

In an April story published several months before any of the lawsuits were filed, CNN affiliate WAFF-TV reported the county was seeking state or federal coverage for certain health care expenses. Morrison told the station, "Constitutionally we're supposed to provide medical care. ... It doesn't say we have to pay for it."

The jail has $800,000 earmarked for outside care, Morrison said, but the funds can be depleted with just a few hospitalizations.

"We had an inmate that had some type of illness from all the psychotropic drugs that he'd been taking throughout his lifetime. He was in a coma for a long time, and it was almost $300,000 for him. Now when you get just one of those out of a thousand inmates, that can really cripple your budget," Morrison told the station.

The jail referred all of CNN's questions to the county attorney, who issued only the aforementioned statement.

Sherrod hopes jail and ACH staff aren't intentionally letting people die to save money, but they've demonstrated a willingness to "roll the dice with people's lives," he said.

"They wait and wait and wait and hope it goes away. That's a formula for killing people," he said.

The lawsuits ask for unspecified compensatory and punitive damages and legal fees, and while that may provide some relief to the loved ones of those who died, Tanyatta Woods is more interested in answers: Namely, why would jail staff ignore her son's suffering for days, even after he became unresponsive?

She's not the only one wanting answers, she said. Her son was a "lovable" fellow with many family members and friends. Deundrez even kept in touch with his middle school coaches and teachers, and they, too, were shocked by his death, she said.

Until she gets her answers, she'll lean on her other son as well as Deundrez's old pals from his football and wrestling teams. They love her shrimp Alfredo, and she's more than happy to whip up a barbecue or fish fry for them.

"I still keep a house full of his football (teammates)," she said. "All the kids still come by and check on me."
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I wrote a letter to the local newspaper about how the media is using ebola as a fear tactic to drum up ratings. I complained that it was a waste of their time and took attention away from civil rights stories such as the ones posted here. The talk back section of the papers website had people tell me that I was the fear monger and that too much yime was spent talking about Ferguson, MO.

I quit humanity.
 
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