Addressing some concerns, and X3 as a film

Discussion in 'X-Men 1, 2 & 3' started by The Guard, May 19, 2006.

  1. The Guard Registered

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    I see a lot of people comparing X3 to X-MEN, and X2. And that's going to happen, and it's inevitable. What I don't see is a lot of fair comparison. Either X-MEN and X2 get put on a pedestal, or they get trashed, and X3 ends up having to fall into some category because of it.

    It's no secret that I am looking forward to this movie. I have my reasons: I find the concept wonderful, the themes fascinating, and the film is full of actors who have given solid to fantastic performances since X-MEN, and new actors who will only up the ante with their performances. And let's face it, the effects and action doesn't look bad at all.

    But let's be honest with ourselves. While it might well rock, X3 is not likely to be a perfect film. Neither were X-MEN and X2. If we're honest with ourselves, X-MEN and X2, for all their good points, had a lot of flaws. Every movie does.

    For every inconsistency X3 has, X-MEN and X2 set such inconsistencies up (inconsistencies in character, story, etc). There are a few major complaints, many of which stem from people who are apparently completely unwilling to compromise (despite the fact that someone ELSE paid millions of dollars to make this film, someone else wrote it, someone else directed it, and someone else decided YEARS ago where this film franchise would go). So many fans seem to think they have the RIGHT to certain aspects, or believe that it's possible to deliver ALL they want in a two hour movie. People, we are not going to see Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Angel, and Beast get their "due". It's simply not possible. Even if Wolverine was abset from the film, it would not be possible. What we are likely to see is fantastic interpretations that fit right into the themes and approach of this franchise. So, addressing some of the major complaints:

    Screentime, specifically Angel and Rogue: Not every character will get their "share" of screentime. In a cast this big, with what I would consider more important characters to find resolution for (Xavier, Jean, Magneto, Wolverine, Storm), it's simply not to be expected from characters like Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, etc. But that should hardly be news. Think about this: Nightcrawler had about 12 minutes of screentime in X2, and that's counting all those mini-blips of him looking around during the X-Jet falling and similar moments. What he had though, was quality screentime. Screentime with a purpose, both visually and thematically. Ditto Mystique over the course of this franchise, Stryker in X2 and Kelly in X-MEN. What you can expect from Rogue and Iceman then, would be similar: Quality, well-acted screentime from both of them, with relevance to the storyline and plot.

    Wolverine: This franchise has been told from Wolverine's point of view since X-MEN. They continued his story into X2. If you bought into it then, and enjoyed it then, then X3 is not the time to go "I'm sick of Wolverine". He's been well-written, he's been well-acted, and we've seen a number of moments that are just CLASSIC Wolverine.

    Cyclops: Cyclops has not gotten the character development or moments we all wanted to see. Neither has Iceman. Or Rogue. Or Colossus. Neither, in my mind, has Xavier, nor will Beast, Angel, etc. Not enough to "satisfy" (well, maybe from Beast). Many situations converged to create the Cyclops Situation, and I doubt anyone will be truly "satisfied" with his part in this franchise, but I don't think it's a stretch to appreciate what Marsden does with his role.

    Rogue: Rogue might take the cure. I understand how it makes her look, but consider her character as she's been written. She's not been a fighter. She's been a character in conflict, and that conflict revolves around her powers and what they do to her. Realistically, she has every right to consider the cure in my mind. Being an X-Man doesn't mean you have to suffer. There's no obligation to live a miserable life just so you can drain other people of their powers in the occassional battle. Her reaction to the cure is very human, I think.

    Phoenix: This is clearly not the Dark Phoenix saga. This is the element of Phoenix as it fits into the movieverse. I don't see it so much as a watered down version of the character, because while her scale has been lessened, her emotional weight has been amped up about tenfold. So while she won't eat planets, she will have emotional scenes to rival (surpass?) what is found in the comics.

    Character development: Again, if you bought into these films, which have character moments, but not a whole lot of development in X-MEN and X2, now is not the time to ***** when the SAME THING HAPPENS.

    Runtime: Yeah, it's a shorter movie than X2. It's going to move faster, and it probably will need to, given the plot. Things are going to escalate, and escalate quickly, not slowly, as they did in X2. But I've gone back and watched X-MEN and X2, and discovered something. They are composed (especially their intros) of mostly smaller character moments that form a whole, and padded with longer action sequences. I expect something very similar from X3. So when people whine about "minute long scenes" to kick off the movie, go look at X-MEN. Most of the scenes clock in between a minute and two minutes.

    I suppose the point of this is: By and large, we know what you're getting from X3. What do you honestly expect?
     
  2. phoenix_force Registered

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    Better than x2 for those who love action and worse for those who like drama
     
  3. Lightning Strykez! Former Mod On Pension Pay

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    That was summed up so well. Great read Guard. :up:
     
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    As far as Marsden is concerned, its better to play a smaller role in a great film, then be the lead in a horrible film.
     
  5. The Guard Registered

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    I don't think it's that simple. X3 is it's own entity. The same story demands do not exist in it that existed in X-MEN, or in X2. For instance, most of the characters do not have to be introduced, the world doesn't have to be set up, the stakes do not have to be established in the same way, most character relationships do not have to be introduced and explained, Jean does not need to be slowly evolved into Phoenix, etc.

    It's a different animal. From what we've seen, X3 has a lot of action, and a lot of drama. Now, they may not be balanced perfectly, but isn't that what fans were crying for after X-MEN and X2? I could care less how it compares to X-MEN and X2, and more about if it works as X3. Too many people are caught up in comparing it to things, and not viewing it as a seperate entity.
     
  6. Storm22 Registered

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    Well said Guard!:up:
     
  7. Retroman Registered

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    Great post Guard.:up:
    Its hard making an X-Men movie because everyone wants their own favorite character to shine.If Storm doesn't get lots meaningfull scenes and action Storm fans will be pissed, same with Rogue fans, Cyclops fans etc etc.
     
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    Or better yet, a nice supporting role in a great film-Superman Returns.
     
  9. LEX No justice; just us.

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    :up: Nicely said, TG.
     
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    now that's a post, good work. I totally agree.
     
  12. lordofthenerds Not a Goddamn Side-Kick

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    Well said Guard... even though I have a short intension span so I really didn't get through any of it. :(
     
  13. LEX No justice; just us.

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    Lol, LOTN. :p
     
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    I agree with you Guard and, as a huge fan of the first 2 movies, am eagerly awaiting the third installment. It amazes me how many people can trash a movie or build it up before they've even seen it. So many people in these posts are so quick to tell you what's wrong or right with X3, Superman Returns, or even Spider-man 3 that I wonder why they even bother to go see the movie when it comes out. What's there to enjoy if you've already made up your mind completely? However, I think you summed it perfectly - There will be flaws and there will be strong points. I hope there are more strong points.
     
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    Well this is the reasoning that is why hopes for x3 isnt very low for me, but in the same vein there are 2 trains of thought and imo this one is not the best one to have, just 2nd place. If one makes a film like this itll do well. IMO if one makes a film with the other train of thought (making SURE pacing is deliberate) x3 would win over MUCH more people.
     
  16. dr venture Registered

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    Well said Guard, I agree with what you are saying.
     
  17. XCharlieX Guest

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    I will agree that this character attention thing some complain about is because theyre comic fans: every character must get their share of 30 mins of screentime, even though 10,000 other supporting characters are getting pushed by fanatics as well. X1 and 2 could not cover everyone perfectly yes, but they selected the main characters and developed THOSE. I also feel within reason if Singer does something, x3 is allowed to and the rules they would logically follow shouldnt change at a moments notice.
     
  18. PhoenixRising Registered

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    I cant believe I read that in like a minute. Must have been interesting... :O


    I agree... Btw.
     
  19. The Guard Registered

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    Haha. Subtly bumping your own thread? Overall, I would have to agree with the basic idea of your post. The X3 I was hoping for passed by a while ago, and there's nothing I can do to change that . . . so anymore, I'm just hoping the movie is fine and enjoyable. I'm not expecting too much and I'm not expecting too little. I suppose so long as it's a decent movie within its own right, I'll be fine with it. I think you make some good points.
     
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    Man, you can totally erase X2 from the franchise and miss nothing. X3 is the movie x2 should have been.
     
  22. LostSon88 Registered

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    Man, Guard...you're good.

    :up:
     
  23. The Guard Registered

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    I didn't think it was subtle a bump.
     
  24. BMM Registered

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    No, not so much . . . you just didn't put "BUMP!" like people normally do.
     
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